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The thing about UKIP is that they haven't hit critical mass; hence the questionable quality of some of its candidates. UKIP is just rounding bums-on-seats candidates on the basis of an availabiity and willingness to stand.

 

 

The same occurred with the SDP before they joined the Liberals. I used to know a lad who had to stand for the SDP in a local Bradford council election because he was a local official and the party didn't have anyone else.

e worked for a local authority and would have had to quit his job if he had got elected. He was absolutely scared stiff that this would happen. Fortunately, the people of his ward had the foresight to preferably vote for someone else.

 

When UKIP builds up a proven body of support, it can look forward to attracting parliamentary defectors from both the big parties ... probably after the next general election.

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Councils do have a responsibility for all adopted roads though. It'd be quite useful for a councillor to have the first clue about where the money to maintain them comes from.

It comes from the government and that would be true whether it was ring-fenced or not.

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I hope that UKIP do very well its time that the left wing champagne socialist (Tories/Labour and Lib Dems they are all the same in my book with as NF says not a cigarette paper between them) got a bloody good hiding:))))

As time goes on UKIP will be able to have a better quality of person standing and hopefully also there will be a few defections from the champagne socialist lefties especially the tories who are more left wing than that other criminal champagne socialist TONY BLAG:))))

CM

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I hope that UKIP do very well its time that the left wing champagne socialist (Tories/Labour and Lib Dems they are all the same in my book with as NF says not a cigarette paper between them) got a bloody good hiding:))))

As time goes on UKIP will be able to have a better quality of person standing and hopefully also there will be a few defections from the champagne socialist lefties especially the tories who are more left wing than that other criminal champagne socialist TONY BLAG:))))

CM

Are you on Putin's yacht again this weekend? Or hanging out with Sharapova?

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An old guy many years ago once told me about a parliamentary wit pre war.Apparently it was just after women were first elected to Parliament and  a female MP it could have been Lady Astor stood up and said "why I would rather commit adultery than consume alchohol or smoke tobacco"and a member shouted out "who wouldnt"

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I hope that UKIP do very well its time that the left wing champagne socialist (Tories/Labour and Lib Dems they are all the same in my book with as NF says not a cigarette paper between them) got a bloody good hiding:))))

As time goes on UKIP will be able to have a better quality of person standing and hopefully also there will be a few defections from the champagne socialist lefties especially the tories who are more left wing than that other criminal champagne socialist TONY BLAG:))))

CM

If you look at the record of the 2nd and 3rd recent Labour governments and the current lot then you'll find a good few, if not most, of the policies are further to the right than Thatcher would have ever dreamed of putting out there.  From ID cards to mass privatisations to forcing councils to close down everything that can, and many things that should never be, by trashing their grants.  Then you have the myriad business taxes cut.  I'll grant you there have been a few sops to everyone else, such as the tax allowance increase, but they're few and far between.

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On our bus to the Army Navy game yesterday we had a number of juniors along, aged from 9 to 13 so for the purposes of acceptable standards of language the euphemisms "farage" and "clifford" were allowable in place of the more traditional "f" & "c" bombs. 

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I hope that UKIP do very well its time that the left wing champagne socialist (Tories/Labour and Lib Dems they are all the same in my book with as NF says not a cigarette paper between them) got a bloody good hiding:))))

As time goes on UKIP will be able to have a better quality of person standing and hopefully also there will be a few defections from the champagne socialist lefties especially the tories who are more left wing than that other criminal champagne socialist TONY BLAG:))))

CM

The champagne socialists, that notorious political sekt.

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It comes from the government and that would be true whether it was ring-fenced or not.

It comes from the government and that would be true whether it was ring-fenced or not.

Adopted roads are maintained via income from council tax.

Councils collect that themselves.

A would-be councillor should be aware of that.

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I hope that UKIP do very well its time that the left wing champagne socialist (Tories/Labour and Lib Dems they are all the same in my book with as NF says not a cigarette paper between them) got a bloody good hiding:))))

As time goes on UKIP will be able to have a better quality of person standing and hopefully also there will be a few defections from the champagne socialist lefties especially the tories who are more left wing than that other criminal champagne socialist TONY BLAG:))))

CM

Thank you for confirming that they are basically the Tea Party.

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Thank you for confirming that they are basically the Tea Party.

 

:lol: The Tea Party, without the intellect and a sense of decency.  :lol:

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I agree with Vince.

A universal benefit is cheap to administer, no means testing, no massive back-end staff requirement, no 3rd rate IT system costing £100m+, no appeals, no loophole abuses, no incorrectly denied people.  It's just a cheap gimmick quote from someone who has been hanging around with the Tories for too long.

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I agree with Vince.

Better move quickly. By next week he'll be saying something totally different.

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Better move quickly. By next week he'll be saying something totally different.

Just so long as he said "Ed Balls" yesterday.

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One day late

:)

I was quite impressed that Ed Balls himself tweeted Ed Balls on Ed Balls day.

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The three main parties are too similar now. I think UKIP represents good libertarian views for people who believe that the government are way too involved with the lives of the people of this country. For too long the mainstream political arena has been banging on about rights, without talking about responsibilities; talking too much about what the government can do, without explaining what the individual should be doing; and are increasing trying to "socially engineer" outcomes and conclusions. Successive governments now seem to be trying to put out fires that only individuals themselves can put out and in many cases they are wasting a lot of money and effort in doing so.

 

Combine this with the fact that UKIP see the European Union as a drain on our resources - as essentially a transfer of money from the rich UK to the poor Eastern Europe; and take a much more skeptical approach on the supposed 'benefits' of immigration (I still fail to see how any Romanian or Bulgarian immigrants are actually going to significantly benefit the country).

 

Of course it's not all good - many of the UKIP candidates will be incredibly inexperienced compared to Lib/Lab/Con candidates which will likely cause a few problems later on. I think Farage is a strong character but you rarely hear from any other members of UKIP.

 

UKIP will never become a political heavyweight but like many Continental European parties who are either mid/far left or right I see no reason why they can't hover around the 6-12% mark. Of course though, an increasingly Socialist European Union whose 'grand plan' is to shift British, French and German money to the failing countries of the South and the Soviet legacy countries of the East, is bound to occasionally cause support to hit 12-20% sometimes. 

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The three main parties are too similar now. I think UKIP represents good libertarian views for people who believe that the government are way too involved with the lives of the people of this country. For too long the mainstream political arena has been banging on about rights, without talking about responsibilities; talking too much about what the government can do, without explaining what the individual should be doing; and are increasing trying to "socially engineer" outcomes and conclusions. Successive governments now seem to be trying to put out fires that only individuals themselves can put out and in many cases they are wasting a lot of money and effort in doing so.

 

Combine this with the fact that UKIP see the European Union as a drain on our resources - as essentially a transfer of money from the rich UK to the poor Eastern Europe; and take a much more skeptical approach on the supposed 'benefits' of immigration (I still fail to see how any Romanian or Bulgarian immigrants are actually going to significantly benefit the country).

 

Of course it's not all good - many of the UKIP candidates will be incredibly inexperienced compared to Lib/Lab/Con candidates which will likely cause a few problems later on. I think Farage is a strong character but you rarely hear from any other members of UKIP.

 

UKIP will never become a political heavyweight but like many Continental European parties who are either mid/far left or right I see no reason why they can't hover around the 6-12% mark. Of course though, an increasingly Socialist European Union whose 'grand plan' is to shift British, French and German money to the failing countries of the South and the Soviet legacy countries of the East, is bound to occasionally cause support to hit 12-20% sometimes. 

 

 

The three main parties are too similar now.

 

I think there's a case for saying that, but trying to portray yourself as different by adopting every prejudice known to man isn't very clever.

 

I think UKIP represents good libertarian views for people who believe that the government are way too involved with the lives of the people of this country.

 

The word libertarian is probably the most abused word in politics just now. What makes you think UKIP is a libertarian party? To me they come across as authoritarian, and they seem to want restrict freedoms rather than enable them, eg freedom of movement.

 

For too long the mainstream political arena has been banging on about rights, without talking about responsibilities; talking too much about what the government can do, without explaining what the individual should be doing; and are increasing trying to "socially engineer" outcomes and conclusions.

 

I can't think of any mainstream politician (rather than the arena) that actually mentions rights without unthinkingly tagging on the word responsibilities. And, returning to your earlier point about the parties being the same, the mainstream parties are united in their rhetoric about using the private sector more and the public less. Who is advocating the reversal of privatisation or outsourcing?

Social engineering? Are you seriously trying to say that UKIP are not interested in social engineering? What is the prevention of gay marriage for what appears to be nothing other than blind prejudice?

 

Successive governments now seem to be trying to put out fires that only individuals themselves can put out and in many cases they are wasting a lot of money and effort in doing so.

 

A pretty meaningless statement. Some fires can be put out by the individual, on other occasions the fire is so out of control that it needs a robust, collective, yes, even state solution.

 

Combine this with the fact that UKIP see the European Union as a drain on our resources - as essentially a transfer of money from the rich UK to the poor Eastern Europe; and take a much more skeptical approach on the supposed 'benefits' of immigration (I still fail to see how any Romanian or Bulgarian immigrants are actually going to significantly benefit the country).

 

Now we get to the guts of UKIP - the fear of the foreign, whether that's pooling sovereignty with other countries (whether through the EU, NATO, or other organisations created by treaty), or strange looking or sounding people from 'elsewhere'. Oh, and 'libertarianism' goes out of the window when the person wanting to legitimately trade or work is eastern Europe. 

 

Of course it's not all good - many of the UKIP candidates will be incredibly inexperienced compared to Lib/Lab/Con candidates which will likely cause a few problems later on. I think Farage is a strong character but you rarely hear from any other members of UKIP.

I'm struggling to think of any part of UKIP that is 'good'. It seems to be a receptacle for angry middle-aged men and prejudiced people who latch onto any conspiracy theory going. Farage may be the only personality but, as we're seeing in this campaign, there may be a fair few personality disorders about.

 

UKIP will never become a political heavyweight but like many Continental European parties who are either mid/far left or right I see no reason why they can't hover around the 6-12% mark. Of course though, an increasingly Socialist European Union whose 'grand plan' is to shift British, French and German money to the failing countries of the South and the Soviet legacy countries of the East, is bound to occasionally cause support to hit 12-20% sometimes.

 

Now we get to the heart of UKIP's 'big lie' that gullible people succumb to: the socialist EU. That is as laughable as that other 'slogan' Ukippers have used in the past - EUSSR - seeing as the EU is, has been, and will be dominated by the centre-right.

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Hmmmm.... there is , in my opinion and experience, at least a slight difference between what one may term  left and right in the UK and left and right in mainland Europe. 

 

France is clearly socialist at present, though even under the right wing of Sarkozy, France was still very much to the left of New Labour in terms of the way the public sector worked, the power of the unions in health, transport etc

 

My idea of the right is of rolling back the state, reducing taxes but this does not seem to figure in say Germany. 

 

Clearly the "EU" isn't entirely socialist as it is pushing privatization very hard. It is though , a bit like the old USSR in that it is crippled by bureaucracy seemingly as a way of creating employment rather than trying to devolve as much as possible to the nation states. I was in Leningrad in 1975 and believe me, the paralysis by bureaucracy was to die for!!

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