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 I have already exercised my postal vote: in favour of Lincolnshire joining the UK in place of Scotland.

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 I have already exercised my postal vote: in favour of Lincolnshire joining the UK in place of Scotland.

 

 

Let's be honest, they don't call it the Lincoln Handicap for nothing.

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In fact, they're so handicapped that they ask if we can run it for them in Yorkshire.

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aye, we're not daft , you know.  

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Does anyone on here actually have a vote on Thursday? There are no elections taking place in my neck of the woods.

Yep, council elections here in Bristol. In my ward (Easton, I think), it seems to be a shoot-out between the standing Lib Dem and Labour, with the Greens coming up on the rails. We also have an independent candidate. Haven't seen any literature from UKIP (thankfully) or the Tories (ditto). Have no idea who I'll vote for, as I now resent the Lib Dems and am fed up of Labour not getting their house in order. Will have to look at the election leaflets.

I can understand right-wingers voting for UKIP, as they're like a more rabid/loony version of the Tories, but I can't understand why anyone left-leaning would vote for them. They're not only bonkers, but proper right-of-the-Tories bonkers.

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We have elections here in North Yorks tomorrow, too. Four candidates - Lab, UKIP, Cons, Lib/Dems. At the last election, the Tories polled 67% of the vote in North Yorks. In my local Division (Malton), the breakdown was Cons 54%, Lib/Dem 40%, Lab 7% (give or take rounding errors).

 

Should I vote Lib/Dem to put the Cons nose out of joint? (not a whim, I have voted Liberal before in local elections) Or should I vote UKIP just to wind you lot up?

 

Eeeny, meeny, miny, mo! :lol:

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We have elections here in North Yorks tomorrow ... (Malton).

 

Should I vote Lib/Dem to put the Cons nose out of joint? (not a whim, I have voted Liberal before in local elections) Or should I vote UKIP just to wind you lot up?

 

Eeeny, meeny, miny, mo! :lol:

 

You must be on cloud nine after having the good fortune to move to the proper side of the Pennines.

 

All your neighbours will be voting UKIP as they are worried about all this immigration turning into a dangerous trend.

 

;)B)

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Its great to be a Thatcherite. She kept us in Europe.

 

in any case you don't need to automatically misrepresent and take issue with everything I post. You and I agree on many issues.

 

For example,  we both support Scottish Independence and we both support EU membership.

 

Anyway, no errors. Can you point me to where I wrote that the EU is socialist?  I did point out that France is undoubtedly a socialist country but made no such claim about the EU. Equally,  by most measures, Germany is hardly right wing.

 

As for EU bureaucracy, yes, it accounts for around "just" 40,000 staff but its as you well know, not a numbers game. Eurocrats don't do anything like the same job as R and C staff. R and C staff deal with the minutiae of collecting revenue and tax.  Those in the European  Parliament deal with things like spending 180,000,000 € a year to move the whole thing between Brussels and Strasbourg once a month.

 

 

Its great to be a Thatcherite. She kept us in Europe.

 

She sure did! (Apologies to those who had just about managed to get her out of your minds).

 

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in any case you don't need to automatically misrepresent and take issue with everything I post. You and I agree on many issues.

 

For example,  we both support Scottish Independence and we both support EU membership.

 

No we don't. If UKIP or JohnM believe in something, a good rule of thumb is to disagree.

 

Anyway, no errors. Can you point me to where I wrote that the EU is socialist?  I did point out that France is undoubtedly a socialist country but made no such claim about the EU. Equally,  by most measures, Germany is hardly right wing.

 

"Clearly the "EU" isn't entirely socialist..." clearly indicates that you think the EU is largely or even mostly socialist. Which is clearly erroneous (see the domination of EU institutions by the centre-right) and the type of error a Ukipper would make. And just because many centre-right parties in Europe (eg those in Germany) take a more responsible attitude to both economic policy and social protection, that doesn't make the countries they govern in any way socialist.

 

As for EU bureaucracy, yes, it accounts for around "just" 40,000 staff but its as you well know, not a numbers game. Eurocrats don't do anything like the same job as R and C staff. R and C staff deal with the minutiae of collecting revenue and tax.  Those in the European  Parliament deal with things like spending 180,000,000 € a year to move the whole thing between Brussels and Strasbourg once a month.

Well, if we're talking about bureaucracy in terms of waste then of course we're talking about numbers. How else would you identify waste? 

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Here's the councils being contested

 

You can see why Cameron is on a hiding to nothing.  All the Tories can do is lose from this position.

 

I think it was William Hague who once proposed a senate-type upper house as a replacement for the Lords, with equal members from each county. Looking at that link you can appreciate his reasoning.

Mind you, didn't the Tories abolish any county council that didn't vote for them?

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Its great to be a Thatcherite. She kept us in Europe.

 

She sure did! (Apologies to those who had just about managed to get her out of your minds).

 

thatcherMS0311_468x7772.jpg

 

in any case you don't need to automatically misrepresent and take issue with everything I post. You and I agree on many issues.

 

For example,  we both support Scottish Independence and we both support EU membership.

 

No we don't. If UKIP or JohnM believe in something, a good rule of thumb is to disagree.

 

Anyway, no errors. Can you point me to where I wrote that the EU is socialist?  I did point out that France is undoubtedly a socialist country but made no such claim about the EU. Equally,  by most measures, Germany is hardly right wing.

 

"Clearly the "EU" isn't entirely socialist..." clearly indicates that you think the EU is largely or even mostly socialist. Which is clearly erroneous (see the domination of EU institutions by the centre-right) and the type of error a Ukipper would make. And just because many centre-right parties in Europe (eg those in Germany) take a more responsible attitude to both economic policy and social protection, that doesn't make the countries they govern in any way socialist.

 

As for EU bureaucracy, yes, it accounts for around "just" 40,000 staff but its as you well know, not a numbers game. Eurocrats don't do anything like the same job as R and C staff. R and C staff deal with the minutiae of collecting revenue and tax.  Those in the European  Parliament deal with things like spending 180,000,000 € a year to move the whole thing between Brussels and Strasbourg once a month.

Well, if we're talking about bureaucracy in terms of waste then of course we're talking about numbers. How else would you identify waste? 

  You really are Scottish aren't you! You could start an argument in an empty room, eh, see you, Jimmy?

 

Are you or are you not in favour of Scottish independence? 

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You must be on cloud nine after having the good fortune to move to the proper side of the Pennines.

 

All your neighbours will be voting UKIP as they are worried about all this immigration turning into a dangerous trend.

 

;)B)

 

Actually, I've lived in Yorkshire since 1973, when I started at York Uni, except for 1998 - 2012, when I lived in Greece. Shhhh! Don't tell the natives, but I like it here.

 

As for cloud 9, that comes in about a fortnight when we beat your lot. ;)

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And, as your fellow Thatcherite, the Polish Foreign Minister, points out, the EU bureaucracy contains fewer than half the officials the UK's HMRC.

The "problem" of EU bureaucracy is not the number of people working in Brussels. It's the requirement to comply with EU law. I am personally very familiar with EU law on public sector procurement - the famous "OJEU" regulations.

And the problem there is not actually the regulations - it's the way people apply them. Like H&S, the issue is over-officious idiots wilfully misinterpreting the rules to make themselves feel important. The actual rules are pretty sensible and helpful.

If you took the rules away, you'd still be left with the idiots.

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The "problem" of EU bureaucracy is not the number of people working in Brussels. It's the requirement to comply with EU law. I am personally very familiar with EU law on public sector procurement - the famous "OJEU" regulations.

And the problem there is not actually the regulations - it's the way people apply them. Like H&S, the issue is over-officious idiots wilfully misinterpreting the rules to make themselves feel important. The actual rules are pretty sensible and helpful.

If you took the rules away, you'd still be left with the idiots.

 

Yes, I'm sure that is the case.

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I have duly exercised my democratic duty and marked a ballot paper with the universal sign of the illiterate (Go on! I dare you! :) ). It must be twenty years since I last did that. I feel quite pleased with myself. I shall have a beer later to celebrate. :)

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Actually, I've lived in Yorkshire since 1973, when I started at York Uni, except for 1998 - 2012, when I lived in Greece. Shhhh! Don't tell the natives, but I like it here.

 

As for cloud 9, that comes in about a fortnight when we beat your lot. ;)

Nice part of the world is the Malton area.

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You mean as bonkers as Liberals/Tories and Champagne Socialists about the only MP with any decency left in the commons is Dennis Skinner (I am not a socialist) however at least he is one who sticks up for his principals

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Get away  :rolleyes:

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Democratic duty done. If I hadn't had to go right past the polling station I'd likely not have bothered. I weighed it up and voted Lib Dem. A reluctant vote - had we had a Green or NHA Party candidate I'd have voted for them. But the Tories & Ukip are unlikely to ever get my vote and Labour are still mightily unimpressive.

The only 'party machine' in operation was the Tories. I could be wrong but I would have thought this is prime Ukip territory. Do they have no 'Indians' prepared to follow the 'chiefs' and do the legwork to get people to the polling station?

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  You really are Scottish aren't you! You could start an argument in an empty room, eh, see you, Jimmy?

 

Are you or are you not in favour of Scottish independence? 

 

You're making ethnic slurs, on top of stories about the EU? Beware, that way lies madness - and UKIP membership!

As for the national question, all I can say at this time is that I am participating in the debate, listening to the arguments, asking for justifications and contributing in any way I can. I have certain ideas about the way Scotland should be governed, and I suppose the default position for any nation, surely, is to be in possession of its sovereignty, but I certainly want to see what the positive case for the Union is before coming to a decision. Rest assured that whatever I decide I will vote for what I consider to be in the best interests of Scotland and its people.

And you shall be one of the first to know!

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Democratic duty done. If I hadn't had to go right past the polling station I'd likely not have bothered. I weighed it up and voted Lib Dem. A reluctant vote - had we had a Green or NHA Party candidate I'd have voted for them. But the Tories & Ukip are unlikely to ever get my vote and Labour are still mightily unimpressive.

The only 'party machine' in operation was the Tories. I could be wrong but I would have thought this is prime Ukip territory. Do they have no 'Indians' prepared to follow the 'chiefs' and do the legwork to get people to the polling station?

 

NHA?

As for Indians, where's Bowes?

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NHA?

As for Indians, where's Bowes?

NHA = National Health Action Party. Pressure group about the NHS.

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As for the national question, all I can say at this time is that I am participating in the debate, listening to the arguments, asking for justifications and contributing in any way I can. I have certain ideas about the way Scotland should be governed, and I suppose the default position for any nation, surely, is to be in possession of its sovereignty, but I certainly want to see what the positive case for the Union is before coming to a decision. Rest assured that whatever I decide I will vote for what I consider to be in the best interests of Scotland and its people.

As straight an answer as from any politician!

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