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EQUALITY IN THE GAME

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Great to see RFL supporting equality in the game with teams like MANCHESTER CANALSIDERS and the disabled rugby league. Are we doing enough to raise equality in the game of rugby league?

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Great to see RFL supporting equality in the game with teams like MANCHESTER CANALSIDERS and the disabled rugby league. Are we doing enough to raise equality in the game of rugby league?

Another point, is it important to do so or should we maybe support established clubs who are going under due to lack of money or players! they are after all our future professionals and are we spending too much time on promoting the game where it has no massive future

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bucklerscott, on 25 Apr 2013 - 15:31, said:

Another point, is it important to do so or should we maybe support established clubs who are going under due to lack of money or players! they are after all our future professionals and are we spending too much time on promoting the game where it has no massive future

I did ponder on this and wondered why the RFL pay a person to do this type of work and then make development officers redundant when everything at the moment in these financial times seem to point towards the elite side of the game.

An example of this is the cutting of funding to Doncaster which has seen both the young development officers go before all their hard work came to fruit, They had got into every school in the district delivering coaching, I'm sure that not only the Dons but the amateur scene in the district would have benefited in time.

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Just goes to prove that the RFL is run by clowns and this is taking the equality card to far , so much for safeguarding in our sport when the RFL is promoting homosexuality .

 

What message is that giving to our young children, so are they saying that it is ok for a gay man to coach young children the bloody mind boggles .

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Just goes to prove that the RFL is run by clowns and this is taking the equality card to far , so much for safeguarding in our sport when the RFL is promoting homosexuality .

 

What message is that giving to our young children, so are they saying that it is ok for a gay man to coach young children the bloody mind boggles .

Are all gay men paedophiles then?

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Are all gay men paedophiles then?

I can see your point but I can also see that many parents would pull their kids away from a team being coached by a gay guy, sad fact but it's true. (I personally wouldn't)

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I can see your point but I can also see that many parents would pull their kids away from a team being coached by a gay guy, sad fact but it's true. (I personally wouldn't)

Which proves the point as to why we need to educate people about equality,it's the 21st century after all.

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The RFL is actually widely regarded as one of the best of the UK sports governing bodies in terms of its equality work - they've won awards from Stonewall and others consistently for the last few years. Believe it or not, this is one area where the RFL are getting things right. There was a lot of press coverage (I know - I ran the PR campaign) when Sheffield Eagles wore the 'Homophobia: Tackle It!' shirts against Widnes (at least, I think it was Widnes) a couple of years ago. It was picked up by the Press Association and the story ran in 60 or 70 local newspapers around the country.<br /><br />I might be in a minority (though hopefully not), but I'm proud that RL is one of the most forward-thinking sports around in this regard. Contrast it with football, which is seemingly riddled with homophobia and doesn't seem to want to confront the problem.<br /><br />Also, it doesn't have to be an 'either/or' approach - the cost of the RFL employing one Equality Manager (or whatever the exact title is) isn't that high, and so far has reaped rewards. For the salary paid for this position you'd probably get one and a half community coaches (I'm not basing this on fact, just a loose knowledge of RFL pay rates from advertised roles), if that. It's a small price to pay to become more welcoming to all, which potentially could mean an increased fan base.

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The RFL is actually widely regarded as one of the best of the UK sports governing bodies in terms of its equality work - they've won awards from Stonewall and others consistently for the last few years. Believe it or not, this is one area where the RFL are getting things right. There was a lot of press coverage (I know - I ran the PR campaign) when Sheffield Eagles wore the 'Homophobia: Tackle It!' shirts against Widnes (at least, I think it was Widnes) a couple of years ago. It was picked up by the Press Association and the story ran in 60 or 70 local newspapers around the country.<br /><br />I might be in a minority (though hopefully not), but I'm proud that RL is one of the most forward-thinking sports around in this regard. Contrast it with football, which is seemingly riddled with homophobia and doesn't seem to want to confront the problem.<br /><br />Also, it doesn't have to be an 'either/or' approach - the cost of the RFL employing one Equality Manager (or whatever the exact title is) isn't that high, and so far has reaped rewards. For the salary paid for this position you'd probably get one and a half community coaches (I'm not basing this on fact, just a loose knowledge of RFL pay rates from advertised roles), if that. It's a small price to pay to become more welcoming to all, which potentially could mean an increased fan base.

Winning awards for equality work is brilliant, losing money for being found wanting in the main bread and butter areas of the game is criminal.

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Just goes to prove that the RFL is run by clowns and this is taking the equality card to far , so much for safeguarding in our sport when the RFL is promoting homosexuality .

What message is that giving to our young children, so are they saying that it is ok for a gay man to coach young children the bloody mind boggles .

By the looks of comments like this there's still work for this equality person to do

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Just goes to prove that the RFL is run by clowns and this is taking the equality card to far , so much for safeguarding in our sport when the RFL is promoting homosexuality .

 

What message is that giving to our young children, so are they saying that it is ok for a gay man to coach young children the bloody mind boggles .

Yes. The RFL are giving parents, children and the rest of the sane world the impression that it's absolutely fine for a gay man to coach young children. This is because, and I'll spell this out for you, it is absolutely fine for a gay man to coach young children.

If you want to take morals out of it, the RFL needs to be seen to be promoting equality if it wants to have access to Sport England money. They don't take kindly to governing bodies that aren't increasing participation and welcoming everyone they can into the fold - and that means getting girls & women, disabled people and the gayists to join in.

It might be politically correct and you might hate it with every fibre of your being - but if you want the money that's what you have to do.

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So its all about money , I am not labelling gay people as paedophiles , opinion is divided on the gay rights issues .

My opinion is,   i am educated enough to have an opinion .

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Just goes to prove that the RFL is run by clowns and this is taking the equality card to far , so much for safeguarding in our sport when the RFL is promoting homosexuality .

 

What message is that giving to our young children, so are they saying that it is ok for a gay man to coach young children the bloody mind boggles .

 

 

So its all about money , I am not labelling gay people as paedophiles , opinion is divided on the gay rights issues .

My opinion is,   i am educated enough to have an opinion .

So why is it wrong for a gay person to coach young children?

The RFL aren't promoting homosexuality, they are saying Rugby League is an inclusive sport.

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Just my opinion as a parent /grandparent i am not comfortable with it and it is just my opinion, is it not my right to have one ?

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Just my opinion as a parent /grandparent i am not comfortable with it and it is just my opinion, is it not my right to have one ?

Yes you are, just asking why you think it is so wrong.

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Yes you are, just asking why you think it is so wrong.

Why do you think it is right ?

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Just my opinion as a parent /grandparent i am not comfortable with it and it is just my opinion, is it not my right to have one ?

 

Taxi Egg are you involved with the juniors and youth at your club and if so do your views cover coaches at your club who may be gay or not.

 

There are rules for all coaches when dealing with minors like not ever been in the changing room by yourself with a minor a persons sexuality should not affect a role they can play.

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Taxi Egg are you involved with the juniors and youth at your club and if so do your views cover coaches at your club who may be gay or not.

 

There are rules for all coaches when dealing with minors like not ever been in the changing room by yourself with a minor a persons sexuality should not affect a role they can play.

Tbf a hetrosexual male coaching a girls' side would not be allowed in the changing rooms at all alone or not.

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Tbf a hetrosexual male coaching a girls' side would not be allowed in the changing rooms at all alone or not.

 

Didnt know that seems funny that no team talks or anything could happen if they have a male coach

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Didnt know that seems funny that no team talks or anything could happen if they have a male coach

 

RFL Safeguarding Policy:

 

 

RFl DRESSING RooM polIcy
- Players should be supervised at all times in the dressing rooms by two (2) members of staff who have 
current enhanced CRB disclosures. 
- Adult staff (e.g. coaches, physios, match officials, other volunteers) should not change or shower at the 
same time using the same facility as players. 
- If you are involved in a mixed gender team, separate facilities should be made available for each gender 
and each group should be supervised by staff of the same gender.
- Volunteers should not offer to do tasks of a personal nature which a young person could do for themselves 
unless requested to do so by a parent/guardian, although, please note that some young people may need 
assistance with tying laces, fitting head guards etc)
- Parents do not have an automatic right to be present in the dressing room.
- If a young person is uncomfortable changing or showering in public no pressure should be placed on them 
to do so. Encourage them to do this at home.
- If your club has players with disabilities involve them and their carers in deciding how they should be 
assisted and ensure they are able to consent to the assistance that is offered.
- Any staff, medical or otherwise, of the opposite gender to the team, for example, a female physio 
working with a male team, must not be present in the dressing rooms whilst players are getting showered 
or changed.
- No photographic equipment should be allowed in the changing room environment. This includes cameras, 
video cameras, mobile phones with photographic capabilities etc.

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Just goes to prove that the RFL is run by clowns and this is taking the equality card to far , so much for safeguarding in our sport when the RFL is promoting homosexuality .

 

What message is that giving to our young children, so are they saying that it is ok for a gay man to coach young children the bloody mind boggles .

Thank you to the multiple people who either hit "report" or sent me a message on this post.

 

I'm taking a moderating decision that I'm going to leave it as the board has very effectively self-moderated and any neutral reader would be clear as to what the majority view is and to intolerance.  The most effective antidote to intolerance is not censorship but frank discussion and confronting the silly fallacies about subjects like gay men.

 

It's a minority view but thankfully receding, much like the other discriminatory views.  Just think though about the progress we've made, even in the last decade alone, would we have been able to allow a thread to self-moderate on homophobia on the early days of this forum?

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One thing this country is built on is free speech , you are labelling me with a stigma when you know nothing about me, I work with gay people who do not need to be singled out to do their Job,.

 

Wether I right or wrong thats up for people to decide themselves but I have not breached the AUP .

 

We are one sport so why do we need a singular label to promote it ?

The game is fragmented enough as it is .

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Winning awards for equality work is brilliant, losing money for being found wanting in the main bread and butter areas of the game is criminal.

They made some poor decisions with regards to some appointments and got their priorities wrong. Hopefully they're now addressing this.

I agree that development is vitally important, but as I said, it doesn't have to be an either/or choice

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Just goes to prove that the RFL is run by clowns and this is taking the equality card to far , so much for safeguarding in our sport when the RFL is promoting homosexuality .

 

What message is that giving to our young children, so are they saying that it is ok for a gay man to coach young children the bloody mind boggles .

 

Yes, it's OK. You are confusing being gay with being a paedophile, two completely different things.

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One thing this country is built on is free speech , you are labelling me with a stigma when you know nothing about me, I work with gay people who do not need to be singled out to do their Job,.

 

Wether I right or wrong thats up for people to decide themselves but I have not breached the AUP .

 

We are one sport so why do we need a singular label to promote it ?

The game is fragmented enough as it is .

 

 

And the South Asia Bulls team would be the same singular label, don't you think.

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