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London Broncos confirm date change for their 5th round (v Bradford) Challenge Cup tie

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Sorry but you are wrong on that one. Most Londoners do use the tube on a regular basis. Also I think being on a tube line DOES help attendance-wise. The Stoop is NOT easy to get to from central London and the train line often has problems at weekend. Its also a long walk from the station

Can you support the statement that I am wrong with some evidence? I would suggest that that you do not know London that well. There are something like 3.5 million passenger journeys on the tube daily and 1 billion yearly. That is half of the volume experienced by London public bus. So based on that alone bus would be the most common form of transport. Greater London has a population of around 8.5 million which would indicate that obviously most Londoners do not use the tube on a regular basis. Add to  that the statistic that London receives about 10 million visitors a year (whose most common form of transport is the tube) and that it has about 1 million commuters coming into London daily by public transport.national rail whereby season tickets on national rail have a 3/4 ratio of including a travelcard. Then you can add to the other factor that the busiest tube stations are almost exclusively those with heavy commuter traffic from outside London.

 

Twickenham is easy to get to from central London though I do remember before that you stated Waterloo was not central London but Victoria was. So your sense of geography does not match most people's definition.

 

Find it hard to believe you think the walk to the stoop from the railway station is a long walk. I thought Brits liked pleasant walks!

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Find it hard to believe you think the walk to the stoop from the railway station is a long walk. I thought Brits liked pleasant walks!

We do. That's why we don't like the walk from Twickenham station to the Stoop!

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Can you support the statement that I am wrong with some evidence? I would suggest that that you do not know London that well. There are something like 3.5 million passenger journeys on the tube daily and 1 billion yearly. That is half of the volume experienced by London public bus. So based on that alone bus would be the most common form of transport. Greater London has a population of around 8.5 million which would indicate that obviously most Londoners do not use the tube on a regular basis. Add to that the statistic that London receives about 10 million visitors a year (whose most common form of transport is the tube) and that it has about 1 million commuters coming into London daily by public transport.national rail whereby season tickets on national rail have a 3/4 ratio of including a travelcard. Then you can add to the other factor that the busiest tube stations are almost exclusively those with heavy commuter traffic from outside London.

Twickenham is easy to get to from central London though I do remember before that you stated Waterloo was not central London but Victoria was. So your sense of geography does not match most people's definition.

Find it hard to believe you think the walk to the stoop from the railway station is a long walk. I thought Brits liked pleasant walks!

Most "working" Londoners use the tube.

Btw I use the tube and train to get to work, and often use the bus at weekends

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Let us look at the facts.

Here's a London Assembly report on how Londoners get to work. It has facts in it.

Here's what it says:

"By far the most popular method of travel was by car or van (39 per cent). In Outer London, this figure rose to 50 per cent, though in Inner London it was 23 per cent. The train was second (18 per cent), followed by tube (17 per cent) and bus (10 per cent)."

The rest will be cycling and walking, I guess. Some may hop and skip.

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Most "working" Londoners use the tube.

Just to be clear, most train journeys do not terminate at the office so commuters will have to change onto the tube to get around zone 1. This is why the patronage is so high, it does not mean their journey is wholly made by the tube, or that it serves their home.

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I always use the bus when in London, in preference to the tube.

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Back to the original topic, how come last Saturday's game at the Stoop was allowed to go ahead with a near full house in Twickers but not the challenge cup game???

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Out of interest, when was this moved from?

 

I don't remember another date being announced beforehand

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Back to the original topic, how come last Saturday's game at the Stoop was allowed to go ahead with a near full house in Twickers but not the challenge cup game???

Because the saracens match was on Sunday

 

I know people complain about Twickenham being difficult to get to/from, but 24 hours should be plenty :D

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Army v Navy was on Saturday I believe, dunno what crowd it got though.

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Army v Navy was on Saturday I believe, dunno what crowd it got though.

 

Over 70k I believe.

 

And not just with the RU calculator.

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Let us look at the facts.

Here's a London Assembly report on how Londoners get to work. It has facts in it.

Here's what it says:

"By far the most popular method of travel was by car or van (39 per cent). In Outer London, this figure rose to 50 per cent, though in Inner London it was 23 per cent. The train was second (18 per cent), followed by tube (17 per cent) and bus (10 per cent)."

The rest will be cycling and walking, I guess. Some may hop and skip.

 

Surely some drag themselves. When I lived in Putney/worked in Holborn I'd've crawled if I could.

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Army v Navy was on Saturday I believe, dunno what crowd it got though.

Fair enough, was not aware of that match.

 

No idea then!

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Unless they anticipated the vastly higher number of away support Bradford would bring as opposed to St Helens...

 

 

:lol:

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It was a 3pm kick off too by all accounts.

 

Broncos started at 1pm.

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Broncos started at 1pm.

Aye, enough of an overlap though IMO. I can't quite grasp how this weekend gone was ok but the Cup weekend isn't. Even after the official statements from the coppers and suchlike.

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Most "working" Londoners use the tube.

Btw I use the tube and train to get to work, and often use the bus at weekends

No most "working" Londoners do not use the tube on a regular basis, that is opinion is derived from TFL statistics. There are twice as many bus journeys in London than there are tube journeys. There are 8.5 million residents in London, working age population is 5.5 million. There is no way most working Londoners use the tube on a regular basis based on the number of passenger journeys. THis is before you take into account London has 1 million commuters daily from outside London and 10 million visitors a year.

 

What you mean is (along with Goldcoaster)  "I use the tube so most other people use the tube". Which does not stand up to reason, logic and ignores the available statistics which indicate otherwise.

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Aye, enough of an overlap though IMO. I can't quite grasp how this weekend gone was ok but the Cup weekend isn't. Even after the official statements from the coppers and suchlike.

 

Presumably because of the advance notice? They would have known about the league clashing with the army/navy game for months, barely 3 weeks notice for the cup game is harder to manage I imagine

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Presumably because of the advance notice? They would have known about the league clashing with the army/navy game for months, barely 3 weeks notice for the cup game is harder to manage I imagine

Also, I read something earlier about the Army/Navy game having ridiculously high security, so the increased police presence would have easily absorbed a couple of thousand people at the stoop

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Fairdoos. Right, onto the next anti-Bradford RFL conspiracy.

 

(Lil bro made it on to RLMeltdown today!)

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No most "working" Londoners do not use the tube on a regular basis, that is opinion is derived from TFL statistics. There are twice as many bus journeys in London than there are tube journeys. There are 8.5 million residents in London, working age population is 5.5 million. There is no way most working Londoners use the tube on a regular basis based on the number of passenger journeys. THis is before you take into account London has 1 million commuters daily from outside London and 10 million visitors a year.

 

What you mean is (along with Goldcoaster)  "I use the tube so most other people use the tube". Which does not stand up to reason, logic and ignores the available statistics which indicate otherwise.

 

For the 'Tube' obsessed  - http://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/destinations/europe/uk/london/9789966/London-Underground-150-fascinating-Tube-facts.html

 

* 137 is now out of date - 4.17 million journeys made 9 December 2012. The week ending Saturday 10 December was also a record-breaker, with a new weekly high of 24.9 million people using the Tube

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