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Particularly Hemel and Oxford who sit at the top of the Championship Oe table with Crusaders, long may their progress continue. 

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Contrary to some fears, it seems that the division is quite evenly matched. I really hope the new clubs are sustainable (and the old ones if it comes to that) as this is the nearest we've come to having a national competition.

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It's good to see things being mixed up a bit. Well done to all the new clubs, and here's to a good competitive season. :)

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I think the Crusaders might just be a cut above the rest. Clive Griffiths has succeeded wherever he has gone, the management seems sound, the crowds ( so far) are the best in the league by several hundred and the ground is in the top three in the division. They have not been tested so far in this division and have made the final of the northern rail subsidiary competition in only their second season.

 

Not too shabby overall.

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Oldham 16 v 18 Oxford.

S.Wales 30 v 28 Rochdale.

 

Well done to all involved - and to the RFL.Good win for Workington too - hope their are going to maximise their Tetley's Cup game with Widnes.Good crowd at Featherstone and not bad elsewhere.

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I still think Crusaders biggest test this season will be at Rochdale Hornets next Sunday. I am a huge fan of expansion but it pains me to see the plight of once great clubs like Rochdale and Oldham. Both have visited Wrexham this season and neither brought enough supporters to fill a bus. I have good friends who support both clubs and I feel for them. These clubs must feel like they have been abandoned by the RFL. I am as much enthusiastic, and surprised, at the success of Hemel, Oxford and Gloucester as anybody else but I have got to say that I don't think these clubs have been brought up to the championship standard of about 3 years ago. I think theat Championship 1 standards have dropped. This is not a dig at expansion - Its an honest opinion. I have followed Celtic Crusaders, and now North Wales Crusaders since their first season. I have also visited grounds like Bridgend, Blackwood, Cynon Valley, Ipswich Rhinos, Bristol, Nottingham and Coventry to support Rugby league. I want the game to expand but the RFL are fooling people that it is expanding faster than it actually is. Crusaders have got things right on and off the pitch and I'm glad to be a small part of it (Supporter) and, they will go on to better things, but I genuinely fear for a lot of the traditional clubs who are struggling. Too much money going into Super League and not enough going into Rugby League.

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The model for this tier is local involvement local sponsors maximise home fans and avoid over spending - next year and the following will see crusaders then Skolars go up to be replaced by swinton and hunslet or simIlar. Hopefully Coventry and some others will also make the step up to c1 to make a larger division.

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The model for this tier is local involvement local sponsors maximise home fans and avoid over spending - next year and the following will see crusaders then Skolars go up to be replaced by swinton and hunslet or simIlar. Hopefully Coventry and some others will also make the step up to c1 to make a larger division.

 

I would have thought that a big factor is what will eventually happen with Superleague. If, for example, SL changes to 2 leagues of 10, then this will have a knock on effect with the championships. Up to 6 clubs currently in the Championship may move up to SL2, leaving 17 Champ and Champ 1 clubs in total. Would the weaker clubs be omitted from a restructured championship, or would more clubs be invited to join a new rectructured Champ 1? If so, where would these new clubs (and the money) come from? Alternatively, if SL became 2 leagues of 12, then this would leave 13 clubs for the Championship, and would potentially create a bigger disparity between the stronger and weaker clubs. It'll be interesting to see what happens.

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This all makes my heart sing

Shame the CC1 table is omitted from BBC Ceefax 370 pages. Who do we ask about this?

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The model for this tier is local involvement local sponsors maximise home fans and avoid over spending - next year and the following will see crusaders then Skolars go up to be replaced by swinton and hunslet or simIlar. Hopefully Coventry and some others will also make the step up to c1 to make a larger division.

Never forget as well the importance of developing local juniors.

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What if the new expansion clubs got promoted what will happen then? They'll likely get destroyed if they stepped up.

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What if the new expansion clubs got promoted what will happen then? They'll likely get destroyed if they stepped up.

 

They were meant to get destroyed in this division.

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i think crusaders will win the league by a considerable margin, clive has built a useful squad that is certainly the best in the division, but the results have been great for oxford and hemel, both of whom recruited well before the launch of the season. i'm surprised though that skolars are doing so poorly.........

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All Golds crowds have fluctuated. Some on here present at Cheltenham said it was near four figures for last weeks Salford visit. Interestingly when they played Oldham only 100 or so turned uo. When they played Oxford four times as many attended. For me the fact that the three new clubs are not far apart geographically is a real plus and you can add Skolars to that.

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I still think Crusaders biggest test this season will be at Rochdale Hornets next Sunday. I am a huge fan of expansion but it pains me to see the plight of once great clubs like Rochdale and Oldham. Both have visited Wrexham this season and neither brought enough supporters to fill a bus. I have good friends who support both clubs and I feel for them. These clubs must feel like they have been abandoned by the RFL. I am as much enthusiastic, and surprised, at the success of Hemel, Oxford and Gloucester as anybody else but I have got to say that I don't think these clubs have been brought up to the championship standard of about 3 years ago. I think theat Championship 1 standards have dropped. This is not a dig at expansion - Its an honest opinion. I have followed Celtic Crusaders, and now North Wales Crusaders since their first season. I have also visited grounds like Bridgend, Blackwood, Cynon Valley, Ipswich Rhinos, Bristol, Nottingham and Coventry to support Rugby league. I want the game to expand but the RFL are fooling people that it is expanding faster than it actually is. Crusaders have got things right on and off the pitch and I'm glad to be a small part of it (Supporter) and, they will go on to better things, but I genuinely fear for a lot of the traditional clubs who are struggling. Too much money going into Super League and not enough going into Rugby League.

 

I agree with every word of that. There have been threads on it before which eventually got locked but I think Oldham in particular has a lot of potential and promotion for them would be more beneficial than a good season just missing out on promotion would be bad for one of the new clubs.

Oldham today are in just about the same situation in which Fev found themselves when they were in CC1 and look what has happened there.

It would be great if it coild be replicated at Oldham.

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The model for this tier is local involvement local sponsors maximise home fans and avoid over spending - next year and the following will see crusaders then Skolars go up to be replaced by swinton and hunslet or simIlar. Hopefully Coventry and some others will also make the step up to c1 to make a larger division.

 

So long as Hunslet are propped up by Leeds players it will be difficult to knock them into the relegation spots, although you could say the same for Swinton with their Warrington players so maybethat's not true about hunslet eiter.

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I agree with every word of that. There have been threads on it before which eventually got locked but I think Oldham in particular has a lot of potential and promotion for them would be more beneficial than a good season just missing out on promotion would be bad for one of the new clubs.

Oldham today are in just about the same situation in which Fev found themselves when they were in CC1 and look what has happened there.

It would be great if it coild be replicated at Oldham.

 

Isn't there a minimum standard for stadia in the Championship? Which I don't think Oldham currently meet.

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Isn't there a minimum standard for stadia in the Championship? Which I don't think Oldham currently meet.

 

I don't know but there are plans about for the upgrading of Whitebank. I have seen and read about them somewhere.

I think the silver lining is that Oldham seem to have tenancy and security there and, following on after their nomadic wanderings after leaving Watersheddings, there is a glimmer of hope that the ground might eventually materialise. Maybe Dr Koukash has a bored lonely brother who fancies a challenge.

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I still think Crusaders biggest test this season will be at Rochdale Hornets next Sunday. I am a huge fan of expansion but it pains me to see the plight of once great clubs like Rochdale and Oldham. Both have visited Wrexham this season and neither brought enough supporters to fill a bus. I have good friends who support both clubs and I feel for them. These clubs must feel like they have been abandoned by the RFL. I am as much enthusiastic, and surprised, at the success of Hemel, Oxford and Gloucester as anybody else but I have got to say that I don't think these clubs have been brought up to the championship standard of about 3 years ago. I think theat Championship 1 standards have dropped. This is not a dig at expansion - Its an honest opinion. I have followed Celtic Crusaders, and now North Wales Crusaders since their first season. I have also visited grounds like Bridgend, Blackwood, Cynon Valley, Ipswich Rhinos, Bristol, Nottingham and Coventry to support Rugby league. I want the game to expand but the RFL are fooling people that it is expanding faster than it actually is. Crusaders have got things right on and off the pitch and I'm glad to be a small part of it (Supporter) and, they will go on to better things, but I genuinely fear for a lot of the traditional clubs who are struggling. Too much money going into Super League and not enough going into Rugby League.

 

I think the standards will have dropped as a result of making the Championship a 14 team league, and moving the strongest four from CC1 into it, but I think that was probably the idea. What the RFL have done is make the lowest division more accessible to the type of clubs that are likely to be formed in the expansion areas. What I think has happened (what I hope has happened) is that a competition has been formed where clubs attracting a few hundred spectators can realistically survive. Do you notice how none of the three new clubs have made over-optimistic claims of aiming to attract gates of a couple of thousand in their first season, and hoping to be in Super League soon? Well, Northampton did, but we saw what happened to them.

 

I too worried about Rochdale and Oldham, and wondered what attraction the likes of Hemel, Oxford and Gloucestershire would be, but going off the results so far they are in the correct division. Don't forget that, being in the heatlands they have all the advantages: a bigger pool of talent, populations that contain people steeped in the game, coaching talent, and, even at the low ebb they currently are at, larger crowds than most of the others. This standard of competition gives them the chance to re-build.

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I don't know but there are plans about for the upgrading of Whitebank. I have seen and read about them somewhere.

I think the silver lining is that Oldham seem to have tenancy and security there and, following on after their nomadic wanderings after leaving Watersheddings, there is a glimmer of hope that the ground might eventually materialise. Maybe Dr Koukash has a bored lonely brother who fancies a challenge.

 

Never mind Dr Koukash, I was hoping the Sheikh at Man City might have a brother that could take an interest in Hornets.

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What if the new expansion clubs got promoted what will happen then? They'll likely get destroyed if they stepped up.

 

 

You're right. We must bring in a licensing system immediately.

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Contrary to some fears, it seems that the division is quite evenly matched. I really hope the new clubs are sustainable (and the old ones if it comes to that) as this is the nearest we've come to having a national competition.

Not sure that the fear was an uneven competition, more that clubs travelling such distances could sustain RL at this semi pro level.

As for a national competition Oldham and Rochdale aren't running away with things and one wonders wether other championship clubs who felt they could not stay independant and instead rely on being attached to SL clubs should not be in this division rather than just being "A" teams?

Even soccer doesn't go for a national comp at lower levels as it regionalises and saves costs so it'd be a big ask.

CC1 has a long long way to go before it can be adjudged a success and before it can provide a model for small clubs to operate sustainably in a national semi pro comp which would be great for the game.

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Oldham need to build support by winning matches and then use that momentum to develop the ground - assuming they have security of tenure. Winning runs will be easier to develop where they are, attract new fans that don't keep saying the opposition are rubbish so the result means nowt. Rochdale are in a slightly different position until the soccer club / stadium co screw them. Their structure helps but I also think a steady rebuilding process, winning more than they lose and developing the brand around town will help them.

Crusaders look certain to finish top this year to me, behind them I still feel will be Skolars then the 2 Lancashire clubs then Hemel south wales oxford Gateshead and ugag

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I still think Crusaders biggest test this season will be at Rochdale Hornets next Sunday. I am a huge fan of expansion but it pains me to see the plight of once great clubs like Rochdale and Oldham. Both have visited Wrexham this season and neither brought enough supporters to fill a bus. I have good friends who support both clubs and I feel for them. These clubs must feel like they have been abandoned by the RFL. I am as much enthusiastic, and surprised, at the success of Hemel, Oxford and Gloucester as anybody else but I have got to say that I don't think these clubs have been brought up to the championship standard of about 3 years ago. I think theat Championship 1 standards have dropped.

 

If they have dropped (you are probably right) then Oldham and Rochdale are part of that fall in standard. They were expected to be ahead of the pack and they aren't.

 

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If they have dropped (you are probably right) then Oldham and Rochdale are part of that fall in standard. They were expected to be ahead of the pack and they aren't.

are you talking about the grounds? Whitebank is a fall in standards definitely, but spotland? ? It's one of the best in either championship. Wish we had it!

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