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Hosted the Elite 1 semi finals yesterday at Stade des Minimes attracting nearly 5500 to the double header. I dont know if the RFL have set them on field goals or not regarding potential Super League participation but coach Gilles Dumas spoke of reaching a Final here in 2013. Well he missed out - but not by much.

A month or so back they lost out to Avignon in the semi final of the Lord Derby Coupe up at Albi in extra time and would you believe did the same yesterday. Tied up at 22-22 at full time with Pia's Maxime Greseque grabbing an equalising penalty goal in the last minute and then seeing the Catalans take it with the golden point. The day before the TOXIII juniors U21s also saw their season finish when they lost their play off semi against Carcassonne 28-24 after finishing as runners-up on the competition ladder to the Catalans of St Esteve.

The crowd at Minimes Sunday was the biggest I think since Widnes played there in the CC quarter Final in 2005. Richard Agar the new French coach was present for the first game and was in Perpignan the day before.

By all accounts two absolute cracking games. St Esteve-XIII Catalan, the Dragons feeder club reached their first ever Final with a last minute try to beat Lezignan 18-16. So its an all Catalan affair at Stade Brutus next Sunday afternoon. For Toulouse their next important challenge will be to mobilise support for the Super League clash at Stade Ernest Wallon in June when the Dragons play Hull KR.

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A fantastic attendance that would be just about full. When does stadia development work, the seem in much better position than last application. Team is not far off pace of top in elite and crowds I have seen have been around that 1500 to 2500 all year. I really hope they get sl spot this time around they seem ready.

Time will tell.

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pics courtesy of gerard barrau - pia-toxiii with fijian vunakece on the charge/jean galia tribune

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That Vunaceke fella was immense against York, a very good player.

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I loved our visit to watch Fev in Toulouse. Fabulous experience

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Toulouse is a fantastic city, absolutely love it. Scrutinise, challenge, interrogate and leave no stone unturned in analysing their application, but if they were in the city would be a super addition to SL.

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on merit you can look no further than featherstone rovers for a super league license next time, if they miss out to toulouse then it will be a travesty of judgement.

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No. If it happens, it will be because Toulouse will  have been rated higher against the licencing criteria. 

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what about the on field criteria and the average attendances. featherstone have consistantly been the best non super league club for the past 4 years...................

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No. If it happens, it will be because Toulouse will  have been rated higher against the licencing criteria. 

It can be because they rated higher on the criteria AND be a travesty of judgement.

 

FWIW I'd to see both Toulouse and Fev but if SL goes to 12 clubs, it is unlikely to happen.

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what about the on field criteria and the average attendances. featherstone have consistantly been the best non super league club for the past 4 years...................

in which case, they have nothing to worry about.

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A fantastic attendance that would be just about full. When does stadia development work, the seem in much better position than last application. Team is not far off pace of top in elite and crowds I have seen have been around that 1500 to 2500 all year. I really hope they get sl spot this time around they seem ready.

Time will tell.

They've put a decent side together this past year but I think the key has been the quality of their overseas lads. Most of their locals played with the club when they where in the Championship. Next season will be interesting because it appears Zalduendo as head of the game here appears to be looking at reducing the overseas players at all the clubs - am hearing that four could be the number. The positive thing for TOXIII though is their juniors have had a good year and as you say the crowds do look like they've improved of late.

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what about the on field criteria and the average attendances. featherstone have consistantly been the best non super league club for the past 4 years...................

Except Fev is a small village with no commercial or strategic benefit to SL. If Cas struggle in SL now, Fev will do worse.

I would wager there is less than 0% chance the RFL would EVER let Fev into SL.

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Except Fev is a small village with no commercial or strategic benefit to SL. If Cas struggle in SL now, Fev will do worse.

I would wager there is less than 0% chance the RFL would EVER let Fev into SL.

Fev has a big catchment area and has Pontefract as part of its area.

If the RFL EVER bars a club on the basis of geography I would recommend that all clubs outside the SL switch codes in protest.

We need automatic promotion brought back so its clear who is going up and there isno fannying about behind closed doors

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Except Fev is a small village with no commercial or strategic benefit to SL. If Cas struggle in SL now, Fev will do worse.

I would wager there is less than 0% chance the RFL would EVER let Fev into SL.

Where is the commercial benefit in further ##### off many thousands of fans outside SL (inc dormant ones who still subscribe to sky) by crazy Australian schemes like not letting clubs go up?

Best to try and keep everyone happy and promote the likes of Fev AND get the Grench clubs in

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No. If it happens, it will be because Toulouse will have been rated higher against the licencing criteria.

You may take that view if you trust the process and the rfl.

I don't.

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Where is the commercial benefit in further ##### off many thousands of fans outside SL (inc dormant ones who still subscribe to sky) by crazy Australian schemes like not letting clubs go up?

Best to try and keep everyone happy and promote the likes of Fev AND get the Grench clubs in

I think people forget that things weren't so rosy when P&R was in place. Clubs used to complain they didn't get enough time to pull a decent team together when they were promoted, and usually had woeful squads. Those that did survive did so by loading their team with sometimes up to 13-14 second rate imports at a time.

Remember Leigh's debacle of a season in SL? They were regularly hammered by more than 50 each game and barely won a game. Cas had several times where they did the same. Hull KR only survived because of bending every rule possible to fit as many imports as they could in their team. They are paying for it now though as they have no youth system.

P&R was ######. It was then, and it would be ###### in future if it were reintroduced. There is no way SL would be strengthened by having a newly promoted team each year (getting whipped), and the Championship would not be strengthened by having clubs make themselves broke trying to chase one year in SL.

The RFL did a great thing bringing in the licensing system, and it makes a better comp today, with more English youngsters given a chance. The game is suffering a the moment due to a lack of money. Bringing back P&R won't fix that. Your barking up the wrong tree with that one.

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like i have already stated look no further than featherstone for a license.........

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I think people forget that things weren't so rosy when P&R was in place. Clubs used to complain they didn't get enough time to pull a decent team together when they were promoted, and usually had woeful squads. Those that did survive did so by loading their team with sometimes up to 13-14 second rate imports at a time.

Remember Leigh's debacle of a season in SL? They were regularly hammered by more than 50 each game and barely won a game. Cas had several times where they did the same. Hull KR only survived because of bending every rule possible to fit as many imports as they could in their team. They are paying for it now though as they have no youth system.

P&R was ######. It was then, and it would be ###### in future if it were reintroduced. There is no way SL would be strengthened by having a newly promoted team each year (getting whipped), and the Championship would not be strengthened by having clubs make themselves broke trying to chase one year in SL.

The RFL did a great thing bringing in the licensing system, and it makes a better comp today, with more English youngsters given a chance. The game is suffering a the moment due to a lack of money. Bringing back P&R won't fix that. Your barking up the wrong tree with that one.

Fans at least had something to dream of and the games meant something. Fans were happier before and now they are livid. Now games are meaningless.

I dont see a sudden upsurge in home grown talent or downturn in overseas players- or for that matter clubs outside/inside SL being better off financially (e.g.Bradford, Crusaders etc). Also SL games at the bottom are boring compared to when we had relegation. For example Londons atmos and game enjoyment was always far better when there was the threat of relegation

Btw Leigh were not regularly whipped by 50 and the one year in SL had some benefits (like our younger fans having a time in the Sun).

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like i have already stated look no further than featherstone for a license.........

If Widnes had still been bumbling along in the middle of NL1 outside SL would you have said the same?

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I think people forget that things weren't so rosy when P&R was in place. Clubs used to complain they didn't get enough time to pull a decent team together when they were promoted, and usually had woeful squads. Those that did survive did so by loading their team with sometimes up to 13-14 second rate imports at a time.

Remember Leigh's debacle of a season in SL? They were regularly hammered by more than 50 each game and barely won a game. Cas had several times where they did the same. Hull KR only survived because of bending every rule possible to fit as many imports as they could in their team. They are paying for it now though as they have no youth system.

P&R was ######. It was then, and it would be ###### in future if it were reintroduced. There is no way SL would be strengthened by having a newly promoted team each year (getting whipped), and the Championship would not be strengthened by having clubs make themselves broke trying to chase one year in SL.

The RFL did a great thing bringing in the licensing system, and it makes a better comp today, with more English youngsters given a chance. The game is suffering a the moment due to a lack of money. Bringing back P&R won't fix that. Your barking up the wrong tree with that one.

This.

Featherstone add nothing to the commercial profile of the sport, putting them in ahead of Toulouse would be a big step backwards.

Yes I can see why their introduction into SL is supported by some people within the game but it's all propped up by one man.Should he decided to pull out then how would the business be financially sustainable?

Toulouse are supported by a mixture of local funding and a vast commercial sponsorship portfolio as well as FFR XIII and the existing shareholders there is a greater balance there and not dependant on the good will of a single individual.

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Not to mention the fact that SL already has 5 clubs in the West Yorkshire area.

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This.

Featherstone add nothing to the commercial profile of the sport, putting them in ahead of Toulouse would be a big step backwards.

Yes I can see why their introduction into SL is supported by some people within the game but it's all propped up by one man.Should he decided to pull out then how would the business be financially sustainable?

Toulouse are supported by a mixture of local funding and a vast commercial sponsorship portfolio as well as FFR XIII and the existing shareholders there is a greater balance there and not dependant on the good will of a single individual.

It's not necessarily what Fev will add, rather what RL will lose if it does not promote the best club (currently Fev but wouldnt it be great if it was clarified by winning most "on pitch" points?).

If the RFL puts Toulouse in rather than Fev I really do think that all clubs inc my own, should leave the RFL.

Like you I really want Toulouse in SL, but it shouldnt be at the expense of a NL club like Fev. Better to relegate the bottom one or two clubs if necessary

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Btw Leigh were not regularly whipped by 50

Wigan 62 Leigh 6

Saints 60 Leigh 16

Leigh 4 Saints 78

Fartown 68 Leigh 16

Leigh 0 Leeds 74

London 70 Leigh 16

Leigh 4 Leeds 60

Your right. Leigh only shipped 50 odd once.......

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Yes I can see why their introduction into SL is supported by some people within the game but it's all propped up by one man.Should he decided to pull out then how would the business be financially sustainable?

How would Huddersfield be financially stable, or Widnes?

Just give them a turn, they have never had one and should get one.

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