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As a Rugby League (Wakefield Trinity) supporter for 55 years obviously I've seen many changes in the game, and not all for the better. The main thing that bothers me about the game now is its obsession with speed and keeping the game moving, purely for the benefit of Sky's audiences, most of whom will be outside RL-playing areas and who don't care too much about the rules, as long as it's spectacular. The result is that I genuinely believe Rugby League must now be the most dishonest professional sport on earth, in that it is the only sport I know where its rules are routinely ignored by all involved. How many supporters know it is still a rule that the ball must be 'heeled' back at the play-the-ball, or that the ball must be put in the scrum in the tunnel formed by the two front rows? And if you're not too sure about the rules, good luck if you try to find them. I tracked them down after a long search, and e-mailed the RL headquarters for their comments on why referees (and touch judges) turn so many blind eyes, but got no reply. So I wrote a letter to Red Hall asking the same questions - but got no reply. Sad that a great game has sold its soul to its Sky paymasters, sad that nobody seems to care - players, coaches, officials, administrators. Or am I the only one who does care?

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As a Rugby League (Wakefield Trinity) supporter for 55 years obviously I've seen many changes in the game, and not all for the better. The main thing that bothers me about the game now is its obsession with speed and keeping the game moving, purely for the benefit of Sky's audiences, most of whom will be outside RL-playing areas and who don't care too much about the rules, as long as it's spectacular. The result is that I genuinely believe Rugby League must now be the most dishonest professional sport on earth, in that it is the only sport I know where its rules are routinely ignored by all involved. How many supporters know it is still a rule that the ball must be 'heeled' back at the play-the-ball, or that the ball must be put in the scrum in the tunnel formed by the two front rows? And if you're not too sure about the rules, good luck if you try to find them. I tracked them down after a long search, and e-mailed the RL headquarters for their comments on why referees (and touch judges) turn so many blind eyes, but got no reply. So I wrote a letter to Red Hall asking the same questions - but got no reply. Sad that a great game has sold its soul to its Sky paymasters, sad that nobody seems to care - players, coaches, officials, administrators. Or am I the only one who does care?

 

You should send a message direct to Ian Smith at the RFL and you will get a response - ian.smith@rfl.uk.com

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As a Rugby League (Wakefield Trinity) supporter for 55 years obviously I've seen many changes in the game, and not all for the better. The main thing that bothers me about the game now is its obsession with speed and keeping the game moving, purely for the benefit of Sky's audiences, most of whom will be outside RL-playing areas and who don't care too much about the rules, as long as it's spectacular. The result is that I genuinely believe Rugby League must now be the most dishonest professional sport on earth, in that it is the only sport I know where its rules are routinely ignored by all involved. How many supporters know it is still a rule that the ball must be 'heeled' back at the play-the-ball, or that the ball must be put in the scrum in the tunnel formed by the two front rows? And if you're not too sure about the rules, good luck if you try to find them. I tracked them down after a long search, and e-mailed the RL headquarters for their comments on why referees (and touch judges) turn so many blind eyes, but got no reply. So I wrote a letter to Red Hall asking the same questions - but got no reply. Sad that a great game has sold its soul to its Sky paymasters, sad that nobody seems to care - players, coaches, officials, administrators. Or am I the only one who does care?

I went to the RFL website, clicked "The RFL" at the top and then clicked "Rules".

 

Seems simple enough.

 

http://www.therfl.co.uk/the-rfl/rules

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Of course in the good old days of unlimited tackles etc,the players,refs,touch judges,etc were as honest as the day is long.Nostalgia isn't what it used to be!

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"Rugby League must now be the most dishonest professional sport on earth"  

 

What a bizarre yet somehow entertaining first post. What was your previous forum identity? 

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No RL is not the most dishonest. Please lets not start beating up our sport again.

Look at football (I try not to if can help it!) - never take free kicks from right spot, feign injury or dive routinely, gang up on the ref, sneak back towards the kicker after being moved back by ref for free kicks - there are probably more.

Cricket - ball tampering, claiming catches when ball had bounced, match fixing, batsmen getting in the way of run out attempts and using foul language to opponents - all against the rules and spirit of the game.

And as for Rugby Union - the rules are so arcane around scums they teams get away with any cheat they can - ball feeding, pushing early, not binding right + pulling over mauls / killing the opponents ball in rucks if the ref cant see + Bloodgate scandal! - it goes on and on ... all cheating.

So RL is no worse than other team sports is it?

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To suggest RL is the most dishonest sport on Earth, when we have multi millionaire footballers diving all over the place in an effort to get an unfair advantage, is absurd.

 

Certainly our officials seem to have a disregard for the forward pass rule but, aside from that, we have a terrific sport with not a great deal wrong with it.

 

(Unless you read RL forums that its... :rolleyes: )

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As a Rugby League (Wakefield Trinity) supporter for 55 years obviously I've seen many changes in the game, and not all for the better. The main thing that bothers me about the game now is its obsession with speed and keeping the game moving, purely for the benefit of Sky's audiences, most of whom will be outside RL-playing areas and who don't care too much about the rules, as long as it's spectacular. The result is that I genuinely believe Rugby League must now be the most dishonest professional sport on earth, in that it is the only sport I know where its rules are routinely ignored by all involved. How many supporters know it is still a rule that the ball must be 'heeled' back at the play-the-ball, or that the ball must be put in the scrum in the tunnel formed by the two front rows? And if you're not too sure about the rules, good luck if you try to find them. I tracked them down after a long search, and e-mailed the RL headquarters for their comments on why referees (and touch judges) turn so many blind eyes, but got no reply. So I wrote a letter to Red Hall asking the same questions - but got no reply. Sad that a great game has sold its soul to its Sky paymasters, sad that nobody seems to care - players, coaches, officials, administrators. Or am I the only one who does care?

 

 

 

No!

 

 

Simples!

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I think one of the most dispicable things soccer players do is pick the ball up when they ate fouled but before the ref has blown the whistle. It should be handball and automatic yellow card.

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To suggest RL is the most dishonest sport on Earth, when we have multi millionaire footballers diving all over the place in an effort to get an unfair advantage, is absurd.

 

Certainly our officials seem to have a disregard for the forward pass rule but, aside from that, we have a terrific sport with not a great deal wrong with it.

 

(Unless you read RL forums that its... :rolleyes: )

 

I thought we'd all agreed that only applied to certain clubs :ph34r:  or have i missed something :wacko: ? Again? ;)

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Sorry darkrose that little phrase "The most dishonest professional sport on earth" has sort of distorted your post. We are far from being the worst

Cycling, Soccer, Cricket, Boxing, Weight lifting, Golf, Wrestling, Athletics, Horse Racing, Dog racing, Rugby Union, all of them have had major cheating scandals.

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Ee, there's nowt like a bit of a barney. Actually, my point about RL being dishonest has been misinterpreted by a few. I'm not talking about players sneakily trying to get an unfair advantage by cynically conning the ref/umpire (diving, ball tampering, appealing for every little thing etc.), and I'm certainly not saying the players are dishonest, what I am saying is that I don't know of another sport where the rules are routinely and deliberately ignored by the officials, purely to keep the game moving. Let's face it, if the ref blew every time a player played the ball illegally, or fed the scrum illegally, or passed the ball forward (does any other sport have a rule as barmy as the 'momentum' rule?), we wouldn't have a game. Obviously, in any sport where the stakes are high some players will do their best to gain unfair advantages, but they don't usually do it with the referee's help. That's all I'm saying folks.

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As much as it's talked about as far as I'm aware there is no such rule as the momentum rule.

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As much as it's talked about as far as I'm aware there is no such rule as the momentum rule.

Don't mention the war....

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Ee, there's nowt like a bit of a barney. Actually, my point about RL being dishonest has been misinterpreted by a few. I'm not talking about players sneakily trying to get an unfair advantage by cynically conning the ref/umpire (diving, ball tampering, appealing for every little thing etc.), and I'm certainly not saying the players are dishonest, what I am saying is that I don't know of another sport where the rules are routinely and deliberately ignored by the officials, purely to keep the game moving. Let's face it, if the ref blew every time a player played the ball illegally, or fed the scrum illegally, or passed the ball forward (does any other sport have a rule as barmy as the 'momentum' rule?), we wouldn't have a game. Obviously, in any sport where the stakes are high some players will do their best to gain unfair advantages, but they don't usually do it with the referee's help. That's all I'm saying folks.

The fact you haven't seen the laws of the game makes it difficult for you to be able to tell others what they actually are!

The fact that you think the ball "must" be heeled back and the ball is to be fed in the tunnel formed by the front rowers demonstrates that your opinion isn't based on the actual laws of the game, but misinterpretations you've made of them.

RL officials aren't the most dishonest. RL fans are just the least knowledgable of the rules!

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The fact you haven't seen the laws of the game makes it difficult for you to be able to tell others what they actually are!

The fact that you think the ball "must" be heeled back and the ball is to be fed in the tunnel formed by the front rowers demonstrates that your opinion isn't based on the actual laws of the game, but misinterpretations you've made of them.

RL officials aren't the most dishonest. RL fans are just the least knowledgable of the rules!

To be fair,

Play with foot (e) When the ball touches the ground it must be heeled (i.e. backwards) by the tackled player. The ball must not be kicked or heeled by the player marking him. The ball is in play when it has been played backward.

Put-in or Feeding the Scrum 6. (a) The ball shall be put into the scrum from the Referee’s side by holding it in a horizontal position with a point in each hand and rolling it along the ground into the tunnel formed by the opposing front row forwards.

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I read an interesting post on the www.casforum.co.uk, which can at times be a source of much mirth as it's a tad parochial as you would expect.  I have to say I thought it was a simple but well considered one on the concept of referees cheating.

 

 

Thing is I've been watching the game for over 50 years and if the refs were working to a script it's amazing that not a single one of them has spilled the beans after retiring

 
The game that I know and love has always been played to and beyond the limit of the laws by the players.  I think that the quality of the referees in our game, and the sheer physicality has kept the silliness that we see in soccer at bay, but I do perceive that there has been an increase in dissent and backchat which I'd like to see sorted out.  It always makes me laugh when I'm told what a role model Kevin Sinfield is, he nearly took off Makinson's head last year, and he constantly moans and whines at the officials.  In short he's a professional.
 
Give the refs a break.

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(does any other sport have a rule as barmy as the 'momentum' rule?)

Just to be clear, are you saying other sports do not obey the laws of physics?

The problem with rugby league is not that the laws are ignored, just that they are very badly documented.

Over the game's entire history it has constantly evolved and changed, banning shoulder charges and feeding the scrum being just two of many examples. But for some reason the laws have been updated to include the former, while the latter is called an interpretation and only written in memos that are distributed then lose.

But everyone who follows the game knows how it is interpreted, and so long as it is done so consistently then it cannot be dishonest, unfair, or "with the referee's help". It is just bad paperwork.

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As much as it's talked about as far as I'm aware there is no such rule as the momentum rule.

 

 

This is in the rules, it does exist, its just that everyone seems to think Stevo invented it!

 

"Direction of Pass 1. The direction of a pass is relative to the player making it and not to the actual path relative to the ground. A player running towards his opponents’ goal line may throw the ball towards a colleague who is behind him but because of the thrower’s own momentum the ball travels forward relative to the ground. This is not a forward pass as the thrower has not

passed the ball forward in relation to himself. This is particularly noticeable when a running player makes a high, lobbed pass."

 

A link if you want to have a look yourself: http://www.therfl.co.uk/the-rfl/rules/official_laws/10_knockon_and_forward_pass

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The fact you haven't seen the laws of the game makes it difficult for you to be able to tell others what they actually are!

The fact that you think the ball "must" be heeled back and the ball is to be fed in the tunnel formed by the front rowers demonstrates that your opinion isn't based on the actual laws of the game, but misinterpretations you've made of them.

You need to read the rule book, because both those things are written in there as clear as day.

If RL was played by the actual rules as they are written down, it would be a different game.

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The problem with rugby league is not that the laws are ignored, just that they are very badly documented.

Over the game's entire history it has constantly evolved and changed, banning shoulder charges and feeding the scrum being just two of many examples. But for some reason the laws have been updated to include the former, while the latter is called an interpretation and only written in memos that are distributed then lose.

Exactly. And it's a real bug-bear of mine. If the rules change, then the rules should be changes - and what's more, it should change for all RL played anywhere in the World, perhaps after a trial period in a low level league for more dramatic changes.

It must be very difficult for players and referees in countries where the game is not widely played to work out what the rules actually are.

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The rules don't seem to say anything about scrums being uncontested.

 

I think legally they are contested, but teams agree not to...

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