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looks like he is playing for Swinton against our neighbours on Thursday,according to the Swinton page

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Cram the Warrington players in Swinton , cram em in !!!

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im sorry but wanting swinton to beat haven is crazy. i dislike haven and there fans as much as anyone but if swinton and donny lose this week and we win then it starts to cut them adrift and thats great news for all 3 cumbrian clubs. if haven can do us all a favour in beating swinton then so be it.

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I don't want haven ever , and I think it's better that whole bottom 9 stay really condensed together . The more involved in the relegation scrap the better . Better to have 9 than bet everything on 2 . If we take of business as we're capable of its all irrelevant and we can make than 9 just 8 rapidly .

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I would never want shaven to win i hope swinton turn them over. Relying on two teams being cut off isn't good we just have to beat the teams around us. They'll winge like hell about the DR if they lose at swinton but the fact is its allowed and you just have to get on with it weather you agree with it or not.

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its simple teams below us lose, takes the pressure off, lets the boys relax and we play far better. everyone below us start winning, we panic, lose games that we shouldnt then were in big trouble.

lets say haven are at home to the team that are 13th a point below town on the last game of thd season, do you honestly hand on heart want haven to lose and put us in big trouble????

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Either way lets be honest we just need to look after ourselves and everything else takes care of itself . I was being a big flippant but I don't mind who goes down as long as it ain't us , and I think we can start to be reasonably optimistic on that front . We can't really fret about things out of our control , but I do understand all the points made and the reasoning . But we just need to take care of our own business , I really see nothing to fear in this mini league and if we play well we win more than enough games to make any other scenarios none of our concern

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Wonky if we're in that position we've got ourselves in big trouble !! And we're away at Halifax !!! We'll be secure by then , we're going the right way . The more games we play in this league the more comfortable we get in it . No demons here for us , there's other teams should be sweating more . ( He said hopefully ).

I just worry how DR will really kick in and influence things come the back end when teams are seeing disaster looming . With the alternative so bad , all the help available will flood into desparate clubs . Loans and DR etc .Haven might have 5 Saints players if things have gone belly up !

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im sorry but wanting swinton to beat haven is crazy. i dislike haven and there fans as much as anyone but if swinton and donny lose this week and we win then it starts to cut them adrift and thats great news for all 3 cumbrian clubs. if haven can do us all a favour in beating swinton then so be it.

Wonky,

 

For once I agree with you. The sooner two teams can be cut adrift the better and the rest can concentrate on improving themselves without the added pressure. As for Briers and DR you can only play what's in front of you and if that's the rules so be it. As much as I totally disagree with this seasons DR it's no use whinging about it, we all knew from the start of the season. What it is doing is destroying the integrity of the Championship especially the way Swinton and Warrington go about it. As someone else said it could totally alter the run in to the end of the season if a number of clubs are in a relegation battle. It certainly does not favour the Cumbrian clubs who rely on developing locals more that clubs outside the county. 

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Wonky if we're in that position we've got ourselves in big trouble !! And we're away at Halifax !!! We'll be secure by then , we're going the right way . The more games we play in this league the more comfortable we get in it . No demons here for us , there's other teams should be sweating more . ( He said hopefully ).

I just worry how DR will really kick in and influence things come the back end when teams are seeing disaster looming . With the alternative so bad , all the help available will flood into desparate clubs . Loans and DR etc .Haven might have 5 Saints players if things have gone belly up !

I can also see that happening David and Its a worry . You see teams like Worky and to be fair haven trying to do the right thing by their players then there are the teams which keep the SL teams sweet . Swinton, Hunslet, Doncaster and Dewsbury spring to mind  - I wonder how it will play out come the end of the year when things are desperate and the DR players at them clubs have had sufficent game time with their home grown lads against a team which just uses it sporadically. A very good relationship with the SL partner could prove its weight in gold . This situation is far from ideal but its here this year and weve got to live with it and ultimately at the end of the season no one will care as long as they are not playing championship one rugby next year

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The teams in the bottom 9 that have played most home games against their fellow strugglers are ones that need to be concerned.   Hunslet have played 6 home games and Barrow have played 5 at home and they are still in the mix with us, Haven, York who have played least home games and are unbeaten at home.   Town and Haven have played 2 home games and won both and York have played 3 home games against these teams and won all 3 plus beating Fev.   The otherside of their coin though is that they have lost everyone of the 4 away games they have played against fellow strugglers.

 

Hunslet, Barrow, Keighley and Swinton are going to have to start and win games away from home if they are to keep pace with the rest.

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Interesting Keith , and anything you pick up against the elite is a bonus . We bombed 3 points in the Sheffield / Batley games , ending up with only 1 when we staring at 4 . They would have been huge . It is all certainly very interesting and tense ! Good point there Wonder , how ever those clubs spin it its all about staying up this year , short term gain but no long term planning .

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Interesting Keith , and anything you pick up against the elite is a bonus . We bombed 3 points in the Sheffield / Batley games , ending up with only 1 when we staring at 4 . They would have been huge . It is all certainly very interesting and tense ! Good point there Wonder , how ever those clubs spin it its all about staying up this year , short term gain but no long term planning .

unfortunately with the state of the game at the present moment with money being hemoragged everywhere there is no long term planning , its all about here and now and who will or wont survive. Its a sad state of affairs and until they get someone at the top of the game who is capable of bringing in some proper sponsorship then we will all be fighting to survive.

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Briers has confirmed that story . Don't you just love DR ! Oh Coxy is gonna love this the way he goes on about it !

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The teams in the bottom 9 that have played most home games against their fellow strugglers are ones that need to be concerned. Hunslet have played 6 home games and Barrow have played 5 at home and they are still in the mix with us, Haven, York who have played least home games and are unbeaten at home. Town and Haven have played 2 home games and won both and York have played 3 home games against these teams and won all 3 plus beating Fev. The otherside of their coin though is that they have lost everyone of the 4 away games they have played against fellow strugglers.

Hunslet, Barrow, Keighley and Swinton are going to have to start and win games away from home if they are to keep pace with the rest.

We (Huns) will start winning away games however we have been to Fev, Leigh, Fax and Batley so couldn't expect to pick up much there

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We (Huns) will start winning away games however we have been to Fev, Leigh, Fax and Batley so couldn't expect to pick up much there

 

My comments are only about matches with clubs outside the top five.    To date you have only played one match away against any of the other bottom 9 teams and everyone of these 9 are working on the principle of winning your home games, so you have a bit of work on your hands.    Where you only have 2 home games left against bottom 9 clubs, Doncaster, Dewsbury, Whitehaven and Workington have 6 such home games.

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Wonky,

 

For once I agree with you. The sooner two teams can be cut adrift the better and the rest can concentrate on improving themselves without the added pressure. As for Briers and DR you can only play what's in front of you and if that's the rules so be it. As much as I totally disagree with this seasons DR it's no use whinging about it, we all knew from the start of the season. What it is doing is destroying the integrity of the Championship especially the way Swinton and Warrington go about it. As someone else said it could totally alter the run in to the end of the season if a number of clubs are in a relegation battle. It certainly does not favour the Cumbrian clubs who rely on developing locals more that clubs outside the county. 

I think you and Wonky are right, it would be great to see a couple of teams cast adrift at the bottom. It's a bit of a predicament for most town fans this one. As much as a Swinton defeat appeals to us, the thought of haven winning on TV and having the choccy clones on here taking the **** because you are 6 points above us.........well it's a no brainer for me, so sorry marra it has to be ....come on you Lions..... even though they are taking the **** with the dual reg. B)

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Will we still be thinking the Lee Briers situation is ok if Swinton beat Haven and then end up above us? I certainly don't.

I don't want to see 1 single championship games result influenced by a player such as Briers. Don't care who they play for or who they are playing. As much as I'll laugh at Coxy squirming over DR - its wrong. We could be on the end of it at some point.

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We faced a Swinton team that had to grand finalists from last season in our first game and clubs are always going to want to use there partner clubs to bring back injured players that's just the way it goes, there squad is so small they cant function without Warrington giving them dual registration players. I don't find this anymore farcical than us having played two teams already that fielded Bobbie Goulding junior and with injuries I have no doubt there will come a time where we will need some big hitters from Widnes

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Will we still be thinking the Lee Briers situation is ok if Swinton beat Haven and then end up above us? I certainly don't.

I don't want to see 1 single championship games result influenced by a player such as Briers. Don't care who they play for or who they are playing. As much as I'll laugh at Coxy squirming over DR - its wrong. We could be on the end of it at some point.

 Nobody in their right mind should think the Lee Briers situation is okay. I don't like the system one little bit, but if we have to use it, they should make it under 23s only. We and haven have used the system as it should be used ( appart from Ade Gardener), we will be playing a team on Sunday which will probably have 4 DR players in it. Survival in this division could all boil down to who gets in the best players using DR.......That is so wrong.

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Can you just imagine what state the Championship would bein if every club adopted the same policy that Swinton have done over DR?

If each club had "signed" 6 SL club players at the start of the season and thenused up to 5 other SL players on DR there would be a lot current Championship players not playing in this league. Take our team if we had done the same with Widnes. Which 9 or 10 players from our team wouldn't be in there?

I can understand some long suffering Swinton fans sticking up for what their club is doing and many at Town would be doing the same in their position but it doesn't alter the fact that this is not the way to go for the future of the Championship competition

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This over use of the DR system could become more common as the season goes on as going down is now unthinkable and could take years to get over or could even kill club off alltogether. I am sort of in favour of it if its used lightly like both west cumbrian teams have used it but some are now, or some will possibly use it later on in the season, as a crutch to achieve survival at all costs.

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If the bottoem 9 clubs are as tight together on points in August as they are now, pect to see some totally mercenary uses of the DR system especially if SL clubs have a free weekend (Challenge cup semi finals?). This is where integrity of the competition will be thrown out. Who knows whether Town will gain or lose from it come August - what is clear is that it shouldn't happen.

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It should be a developmental tool for 18-21 year olds and should be limited to three . The quick fix and short term gain from getting the star players on a weekly basis needs to be taken away , doing this and pushing the DR envelope as far as it will go distorts games and the league to much . I've talked of using it to strengthen us before but that's because it's there , it's not a consent of the system . And that's the problem isn't it , as long as that temptation is there to get the SL players in and get the short term , fast acting injection it will be used and one can argue abused . And as the need and frustration gather the temptation becomes irresistible ! We'll see that come july and august .I'm not blaming individual clubs , the price of failure is so great and the advantages of the easy way so obvious what we see is understandable . But the temptation needs taking away at source and the can of worms closed from on high . The RFL needs to go back to the drawing board and tighten up and narrow the parameters . Good intentions maybe , but to often its been turned into poor looking practice. If every club had used it as an aid in need to a strong playing roster then fine ,as we have , but some clubs have looked at it and decided to give it much wider significance , building a disproportionate amount of their playing strength around it .That can't be right , and I hope that there aren't teams who are built like a house of cards when this system disappears .

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