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I honestly see no difference in Swinton playing Briers than Haven playing Ade Gardner, or Hunslet playing Mitch Aichurch, etc,.    The problem with this one is to do with the 6 players that they "signed" at the very start of the season and since that they played other SL player returning from injury - Wood, McCarthy and Laithwaite against us in the very first match.

 

To many people's eyes that was a cynical way of getting around the system to give Warrington players game time that they wouldn't have got otherwise.  Whilst it is not breaking any rules it certainly was outwith the spirit of the dual registration system and as I said in an earlier post, it's a good job every Championship club didn't decide to follow suit or it would definitely have become a reserve team league.

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That's it , the misusing of the spirit of the original idea with the confusing shenanigans we've seen , and the standard of the player just popping into our league are making a mockery of the leagues integrity . As I say narrow the perimeters and remove the loopholes , and take away that big fat short term temptation for desperate clubs and frustrated fans !!!

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One good thing to see is it hasn't exactly made swinton dominate the league. Limit it to no more than 3 players at a time and no older than 23 years old.

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You can't gel a team can you mate, it's all so fragmented and unplanned . How can all these players have the heart to fight for Swinton in the trenches when they can whizz off when the moves served its purpose . It's backfired hasn't it .The danger is other teams piling in to the limit with stars if they're sinking fast . But that may backfire to ? Our guys may not all be of that ability but have one loyalty and desire to give it all for one club .

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to be honest i havent seen in any of towns games when the dual reg players have stood out above the standard of the championship players. certainly none of the widnes lads have for town, paul wood and mccarthy certainly never. but lee briers could certainly control and win the game on his own on thursday.

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to be honest i havent seen in any of towns games when the dual reg players have stood out above the standard of the championship players. certainly none of the widnes lads have for town, paul wood and mccarthy certainly never. but lee briers could certainly control and win the game on his own on thursday.

yeah i agree wonky briers is a different situation as he can control a game play making,organising and with is kicking game. He must be the most high profile SL players used so far on DR.

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Lets hope that doesn't start on Sunday wonky ! . This could easily be of one of toughest remaining home games . Your right wonky , teams do it to a degree because they can and the SL team is pushing them for their own purpose , but it doesn't always bring the required end result - remember Richie Owens for Keighley on telly , he was awful that night !!

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to be honest i havent seen in any of towns games when the dual reg players have stood out above the standard of the championship players. certainly none of the widnes lads have for town, paul wood and mccarthy certainly never. but lee briers could certainly control and win the game on his own on thursday.

your correct Wonky - sometimes DR can work against you - they dont train with the team all week and then are expected to play at SL level. Look at what Worky have had this year off widnes - 3 academy players just coming out of the under20's comp and one playing in a foreign postion and the two other coming back from serious injury and then Davies , again who is a bit part player and Kavanagh who spent 3years in the championship before Widnes came up. You really wouldnt expect them to stand out against seasoned pros. That's why I personally feel for both the parent club and the accepting club a one year loan deal where they train together and are part of the team is a much better way of getting the best out of the player , which only benefits the team.

 

hence why when everyone talks about Swinton they must realise that they took 19/20 year old lads which wern't given full time contracts  at Warrington and gave 6 of them 12month contracts. I have no problem with this BUT seasoned pro's just getting game time after injury above regular Swinton players is wrong and add to that the even more amusing situation where Swinton have then loaned players back tp Warrington & London Bronocs makes a farce of the rules.

 

However I will say this, Warrington were against the situation and have spent a lot of time and money over the last three/four years developing young lads and these boys are the cream of the crop , even those that wern't given full time contracts . So I commend them for looking after them and I can also see why Swinton would take them, they cost buttons and given time will be playing some suberb rugby for the swinton fans to see.

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I think it stinks, and if it was Town who were facing Swinton with Lee Briers playing you would all be shouting 'foul play' on this forum. I sincerely hope that Whitehaven beat Swinton tonight. If Swinton are going to be Warrington's 'A' team then they deserve to be relegated into Championship One and play in a development league.

The financial implications of relegation to the bottom tier for traditional professional clubs like ourselves, Whitehaven and Barrow doesn't even bear thinking about.

If Lee Briers only plays one game for Swinton and Whitehaven are defeated tonight and end up being relegated by 2 or 3 points it would be a travesty. I for one am thinking about Cumbrian rugby league and I am making a moral stance tonight and will be willing Whitehaven on to win.

Up the Haven!! (but I will be back wearing my blue and white scarf tomorrow)

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You can't gel a team can you mate, it's all so fragmented and unplanned . .... Our guys ..... have one loyalty and desire to give it all for one club .

 

Thats the crux of it from our point of view I reckon. Its about team spirit which we have plenty of. My worry is that with such a small squad, already in the ludicrous situation of last year in putting players on the bench who will not play, and with Widnes already in an "injury crisis" are we able to take any advantage from DR?

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Well not happy about it either but they had Gardner not so long ago and we were going to have briscoe so there all international players so what's the solution

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Well not happy about it either but they had Gardner not so long ago and we were going to have briscoe so there all international players so what's the solution

 

Lat season DR was a better scheme where they were only under 23's allowed on DR. That way we could not have used Gardner and you could not have used Brisco. A team like Barrow or either of us could be relegated because of who gets the best DR players and next season knowing the RFL the whole system could change. No consolation to the teams relegated and sitting in Championship 1. I think it is the way Swinton and Warrington have gone about it that annoys everyone. There was nothing wrong with the old loan system at least you had a player for a month but SL wanted to save money by picking the cream of the crop then not running a team to play them in. There is no way Briers would go to Swinton for a month!!!

It is what it is so we just have to play what's in front of us. 

 

You could get to see two different Hunslet teams in the NRC and league because of DR

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I've got to agree with the last two posts . We all use Swinton as a stick to beat the DR with , but its the system as it stands that's wrong .

The temptation to take the star player has proved to great for a number of clubs , so it's hard for many to take the moral high ground .

We're gonna see more and more of this I fear and its your bad luck if your on the wrong end of it . The leagues integrity is going to be highly compromised by this DR set up . I can't barrack for haven just because Briers is around , they took 2 Saints first teamers to Keighley and won a vital 3 points with Gardner highly prominent . Not criticising them , just pointing out its something that's virtually across the board and teams can't tut tut at others . Briscoe was coming here .The spirit of this rule has been totally ripped apart and so it's back to the drawing board . Come the late summer when teams are in real trouble , and those phone calls come through from Saints , Leeds , Wigan or yes Widnes , what ya gonna do ? Last day of the season with a few teams on the edge will be interesting. Hopefully next year all teams and not just some in the league will have their own squads of 26/7 players to choose from for the whole season .What a radical idea !!!!

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Personnally i would love to see Swinton and Hunslet relegated as they are the ones Who have abused the system. Get on Haven +8 you heard it here 1st :)

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I've got to agree with the last two posts . We all use Swinton as a stick to beat the DR with , but its the system as it stands that's wrong .

The temptation to take the star player has proved to great for a number of clubs , so it's hard for many to take the moral high ground .

We're gonna see more and more of this I fear and its your bad luck if your on the wrong end of it . The leagues integrity is going to be highly compromised by this DR set up . I can't barrack for haven just because Briers is around , they took 2 Saints first teamers to Keighley and won a vital 3 points with Gardner highly prominent . Not criticising them , just pointing out its something that's virtually across the board and teams can't tut tut at others . Briscoe was coming here .The spirit of this rule has been totally ripped apart and so it's back to the drawing board . Come the late summer when teams are in real trouble , and those phone calls come through from Saints , Leeds , Wigan or yes Widnes , what ya gonna do ? Last day of the season with a few teams on the edge will be interesting. Hopefully next year all teams and not just some in the league will have their own squads of 26/7 players to choose from for the whole season .What a radical idea !!!!

worse thing is our last game is swinton at home if swinton need a win to stay up they could use 5 first teamers meaning another team goes down hopefully not a cumbrian team but it could happen

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Anything could happen at the pointy end of the season , and it goes way beyond Swinton . It's a big drop from that trap door , every team looking into it will swallow principle to avoid the fall . With the rules as they are can you blame anyone ? Short term fix because if some go down there may be no long term . Gonna be a scramble !!!

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Anything could happen at the pointy end of the season , and it goes way beyond Swinton . It's a big drop from that trap door , every team looking into it will swallow principle to avoid the fall . With the rules as they are can you blame anyone ? Short term fix because if some go down there may be no long term . Gonna be a scramble !!!

 

And it's one thing having principles but quite another thing standing by them in times of pressure!!!!!

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only one solution is to get as far away from the drop zone before it comes a free for all. Thats why the next four league games are crucial for Worky. It will be also interesting come play off time when the teams which finish say 6-8 dont get any help from the DR - who will be in the best postion then  ;)

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To right Keith , survival will override principle this year . How many times have we heard ' I have to do the best for my club ' . No point taking plaudits for morality on the bus to Gloucester . Reality bites . Spot on wonder , we can take big steps in this next few weeks . The more of the work you can get done before the crunch the better

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The RFL need to take a long hard look at this for next season as it is plainly flawed. The likes of Swinton have looked at the loopholes in the system and pushed it to gain the greatest advantage possible. I hope haven stuff them tonight with briers playing the full 80 mins.

Like has been said, under 23's are fine as they can develop at the non SL club.

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If Briers plays a blinder tonight and beats haven on his own, then we all might as well call it a day and give RL a big swerve. The clowns who run the game will have turned it into a laughing stock.

 

Swinton aren't to blame for this, it's all down to idiots in charge. The only positive thing that could come out of tonights game, is the uproar it will cause, and maybe force the RL to have a look at the mess they have made.

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