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I think a few of us should email/ txt in when he is on air tonight at radio manc see if we can actually get some answers from the horses mouth. Just hope the BBC actually read some questions out.

 

If rugby Oldham can go along the FC united route id back them and a fan initiative, instead of throwing £100 a year to a non cause like a lot are currently

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I think a few of us should email/ txt in when he is on air tonight at radio manc see if we can actually get some answers from the horses mouth. Just hope the BBC actually read some questions out.

 

Excellent idea. Hope there are some takers.  

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il try to txt in, out at a meal though so i wont get to hear the response until its on i player

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There have been alot of unhappy comments and disillusionment from Oldham fans on here last few years (rightly so id argue), but its not going to change anything complaining on a forum. Seems its time to pick an option and out wheels in action, you ony live once and you dont want to spend your life upset at a rugby club and a certain persons way of running it.

Your Options as it see them are:

1) Basically Accept this is the way it is now either go and support that product

2) Turn your back on Oldham Rugby for good try and follow a new team or hobby.

3) Start a group (as Oldham Athletic fans did) and communicate with Rugby Oldham with an end goal of taking over the club and running it like Rochdale Hornets

4) Try and start a new Club however this would mean a risk of ending up like Bramley why would a 2nd Oldham club have any chance of making the Championship 1

But please as fans pick one and try and make it happen because im sick of reading the same garbage about the problems, people have eyes and ears they know what they are. Options 1 and 2 are easy to achieve. Options 3 and 4 are not as hard as people may think but come on now Its put up or shut up time, God bless you all.

“Impossible is just a big word thrown around by small men who find it easier to live in the world they've been given than to explore the power they have to change it. Impossible is not a fact. It's an opinion. Impossible is not a declaration. It's a dare. Impossible is potential. Impossible is temporary. Impossible is nothing.” ―Muhammad Ali

Royton Roughyed, can I ask why you are using syntax like you and you have to, instead of we? Surely as a Roughyed its about us?

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Royton Roughyed, can I ask why you are using syntax like you and you have to, instead of we? Surely as a Roughyed its about us?

 Because i have been to 10 games in about 10 years be a it wrong of me yet to start saying we but yes Oldham are my team. I would have much credit if i came from no where and started crying for change. This post isnt about me its about Oldham Rugby fans who love this club and want to see it thrive again.

 

Seems there are lots of people who would like to see it change but there arnt any ideas and there is no one will to take a lead.

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theres already a group,with 400+ members,in place to take the lead!!....

as it stands Rugby Oldham has as many supporters as ORLFC.....and more money!!!

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So who do we contact Rugby Oldham?

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Would all those 400+ members turn up every week to games Spud? I doubt it.

 

I don't know what the answer is. but one thing for sure, Professional RL is going down the spout, and Oldhams problems are no different to 99% of clubs outside SL. Again, Leigh are in trouble, how many times is that in the past 10 years? Until the game changes, and proper frameworks put in place, then no matter what changed at Oldham, the fan base, the lack of revenue will always be a problem.

Oldhams best chance of returning to the top flight was in 2001, and unfortunately we built a good squad on a shoestring, whereas Widnes bought a team. We didn't build on that, but remember, we were dealt with the blows of OAFC trying to ruin us with Moore taking Harbin, putting the rent up to an astronomical level. From that, we have never really recovered.

 

Whoever wants to try and take it over, the costs of running a club in the professional arena are quite significant. And in these days of cut backs etc etc, it would need someone who wants to blow there money and see no return, and for one, could think of better ways of doing that.

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id suggest a majority of the 400+ are the "die hards" that turn up a whitebank so yeah i think they would....

and then the 400-500 that won't go purely cos of CH should come back too

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Reading this thread with interest.

 

I've been watching Oldham at Whitebank now only since we moved into the area about 18 months ago - so don't claim to know everything, just a few observations, from experience

 

I agree with the point Oldhamer makes in that running a club at this level is a very difficult balancing act - both in terms of financing and also what you are trying to be.

 

For me the club is always the supporters and volunteers - the business is the organisation that is the custodian of the hopes of the supporters.

 

What I imagine is very difficult for the current administration is trying to work out exactly what the club is trying to be, for that a simple strategy and milestones to get there can solve a lot of problems because you will then always have a direction and know what you are trying to achieve. I do not know the ins and outs of the current regime but the club does seem to lurch from crisis to crisis as this occurs it becomes habit and the norm - and actually it is a very difficult cycle to break until you get a break/investor/a set of circumstances that give you the space to actually get a strategy and direction down on paper and buy the wider club (supporters and stakeholders into it)

 

My view from the outside is this is the first thing that needs to happen -I do not envy the current administration its task - but a simple one page document stating;

 

Aspiration - to be a strong Championship club, competing on the field, solvent off the field and a source of pride to our community.

 

Milestones - 2013-15: Operation Championship: Getting there (this can incorporate both ground, team and community milestones)

 

2015-17: Championship consolidation

 

Resource required:

 

Partners involved:

 

This then relayed to supporters gives us something to hold onto - to plot our course against and to know exactly where we are against objectives at any given time.

 

My thoughts are (and again caveated with I don't know the ins and outs)that it is not necessarily a change in ownership but a change in the routine and thereby the mindset of survival and solving one crisis to be replaced by another.

 

It is also amazing what a solid dose of enthusiasm can do for an organisation.

 

It's easy to think that the world is against you when you're constantly fighting fires - this then puts a filter up in front of every situation you see.

 

Just my thoughts.

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Personally, if anyone thinks that as soon as CH walks away, our attendances will go to 1000+ needs to be breathalysed. Even clubs in the Championship with far superior facilities than ours, are just about hitting that.

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Ok there are 400+ ready to go. They need to take lead on this its the ONLY way it will happen. I know nothing about Rugby Oldham but this needs to go through them. What i will say is iv got £100 to put towards the club. Not much but its à start

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500 people £5 pounds per month with a treasurer ORLFC through and through a person of utter personal and business integrity! anything could happen especially with the "non team player" out of the way, It might even attract investment ( business integrity and transparency).

Whether a takeover group of fans would get Hamilton to put the cards plainly on the table is another thing though...But it would show once and for all what sort of a man he is!

THINGS NEED TO BE IN THE PAYING PUBLIC DOMAIN, WITH NOTHING HIDDEN or COVERED UP one new dawn in 1997, look where we are! there is an irresistable swell for a new beginning to arrest this slow and secretive decline.

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Personally, if anyone thinks that as soon as CH walks away, our attendances will go to 1000+ needs to be breathalysed. Even clubs in the Championship with far superior facilities than ours, are just about hitting that.

we averaged a 1000 or there abouts when we moved to whitebank.....

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We won't know if we don't try it.

The club can be run far better than it is now.

Ill throw £100 in the pot, more if it guarantees a fresh start with transparent management of the club

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would people be willing to pay £10,15,20 a month membership fees to be apart of a "fan owned" RL club? obviously members would get perks like greatly reduced season tickets and voting rights etc

such a scheme could pull in upto 100k a year

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I would be willing to pay a monthly membership fee to be part of this project, you are going to need a detailed membership contract which ties members in to the scheme for 12 monthly periods.

The membership money along with a strong sponsorship revenue stream would support the business, the sponsorship revenue needs to focus on local established local business but also a number of more recognisable brands need to be on board..

People need to entry a project with an open mind and be prepared to make difficult decisions in the best interest of the "Club"

If people are serious about a "Fans Owned" club, May I suggest you research the clubs that are already owned by the fans and discuss the problems they have encountered.

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would people be willing to pay £10,15,20 a month membership fees to be apart of a "fan owned" RL club? obviously members would get perks like greatly reduced season tickets and voting rights etc

such a scheme could pull in upto 100k a year

no offence sou, but you just made those figures up.Look at Ebbsfleet, the had the entire world to tap into and had to sell up.

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This is no comment on the feasibility of actually doing it,but the figures could stand up.The real difficulty is having nil numbers of the current business to compare against.

EG 1000 people paying £15.00 pcm tied into a fixed 12 month contract = 180k OR 500 people gives £ 90k

EG 1000 people paying £10.00 pcm tied into a fixed 12 month contract = 120k OR 500 people gives £ 50k.

So,the key thing is to get the 1000 people and get them signed up.I`ll ignore things like cash flow,etc.-oh,and eerr a small matter of CH staying on for his money.

In return you can offer a good deal:free season ticket,free entrance to U20`s and (for example) a free pint at home matches,or free scarf/T shirt ,or 50% off a shirt.

Is this feasible ?

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no offence sou, but you just made those figures up.Look at Ebbsfleet, the had the entire world to tap into and had to sell up.

400 fans paying £20 a month is £96,000 a year

so like i said....such a scheme could raise upto £100k a year...

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In my view ownership change is the only way forward in my lifetime, (57 this year). I just can no longer find the current setup and modus operandi palatable.

The lack of redevelopment of the ground is embarrassing but predictable.

This club has been SO MUCH BETTER it hurts to see how low it has sunk!

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This is no comment on the feasibility of actually doing it,but the figures could stand up.The real difficulty is having nil numbers of the current business to compare against.

EG 1000 people paying £15.00 pcm tied into a fixed 12 month contract = 180k OR 500 people gives £ 90k

EG 1000 people paying £10.00 pcm tied into a fixed 12 month contract = 120k OR 500 people gives £ 50k.

So,the key thing is to get the 1000 people and get them signed up.I`ll ignore things like cash flow,etc.-oh,and eerr a small matter of CH staying on for his money.

In return you can offer a good deal:free season ticket,free entrance to U20`s and (for example) a free pint at home matches,or free scarf/T shirt ,or 50% off a shirt.

Is this feasible ?

the problem with giving free season tickets etc as benefits is that you lose the income from those has its normally the same people that become members that buy all the other things so your income is not as much as you think i still think a members club is the way forward but it would need a clean slate to start with and not take on the debts of the excisting company and would the RL let a new club in from the heartlands a lot to think about with a lot of upfront expenditure .Get in touch with supporters direct i know rugby oldham work with them

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