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Halifax Courier reporting two teams of 12 in 2015

 

http://www.halifaxcourier.co.uk/

 

I know things are a bit tight money wise in RL, but surely reducing the league to just the two teams, and getting rid of an extra player is a bit of an extreme measure to shore up the game?

 

Which two will it be?

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I know things are a bit tight money wise in RL, but surely reducing the league to just the two teams, and getting rid of an extra player is a bit of an extreme measure to shore up the game?

 

Which two will it be?

 

Well London is a key team, so they must be in, and the other is probably Catalans to keep the European nature of the League.

 

Everyone else is in a 36 team Championship with a top 24 play off at the end of the year.

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less gate money for the 12 teams in the top flight income from 11 home games as opposed to 13 home games as at present. and don't forget catalans and london bring very few if any away support. so on basic economic grounds it would be a disaster........

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I know things are a bit tight money wise in RL, but surely reducing the league to just the two teams, and getting rid of an extra player is a bit of an extreme measure to shore up the game?

 

Which two will it be?

:lol:  radical thinking!

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:lol:  radical thinking!

 

Quite! Will it be Leeds and Wigan playing each other every week for 24 weeks, then the ding dong Grand Final!

 

Still at least with a 2 team league we will be spared the stupidity of the current play off system! 

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Less is not more.

 

Somebody will still finish bottom, and so then the argument will be that we should reduce it to 10.

 

The NRL is supposed to be the model we're following, what is it they have in their top flight? 8, 10, 12, 14 no 16.

 

No doubt Salford will be in, despite being a basket case a few weeks ago.  Is that how we should run a sport?

 

Anyway, the above is a bit of reactionary guff, let's wait and see shall we.  I'd be gutted if my side were yet again excluded from their rightful place at the top table, especially after how they have been restructured in recent years.

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Just to clarify on what is being proposed.

 

The idea, as far as I understand it, is that the two bottom teams will be relegated from Super League at the end of 2014, regardless of which teams they will be. There could even be three teams relegated if the clubs decide they want Toulouse in the competition in 2015 with a TV deal possibly on the table from BeIn Sport.

 

There will then be two divisions of 12 each, which will play each other once (eleven games) in the first half of the season.

 

In the second half of the season, those clubs will split into three divisions of eight teams, depending on finishing places in the first half of the season. The bottom four Super League clubs will be in with the top four Championship clubs (which may include the two SL clubs relegated the previous season). Those teams will play each other at home and away (14 games) in the second half of the season.

 

The top four clubs in the second tier, at the end of that season, will then return to Super League for 2016.

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That seems remarkably convoluted

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I think we should have 2 leagues of 10, with each club playing the clubs in each league home and away, and the clubs in the other league once, giving 14 home games, and making sure that SL2 teams get some decent pay days. Add Toulouse somewhere, as well, probably SL2, and make sure SL2 gets a decent share of the TV money.

 

Just seen Martyn's proposal. I like it. I prefer mine but that one would work.

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less gate money for the 12 teams in the top flight income from 11 home games as opposed to 13 home games as at present. and don't forget catalans and london bring very few if any away support. so on basic economic grounds it would be a disaster........

I don't think it will be as straight forward as two league of 12. It may start out that way, but there could then be further splits, for the playoffs, and then relegation. Just have to,see what has been proposed, bearing in mind if true, this idea comes from the same people that brought us the club call, and from some one who once suggested points should be given for teams winning at half time.

Edit - just seen Martyn Sadlers post - explains in much greater detail.

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I don't like messing around with fixtures. I like one home, one away.

 

But cheers Martyn for letting us know.

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Just to clarify on what is being proposed.

 

The idea, as far as I understand it, is that the two bottom teams will be relegated from Super League at the end of 2014, regardless of which teams they will be. There could even be three teams relegated if the clubs decide they want Toulouse in the competition in 2015 with a TV deal possibly on the table from BeIn Sport.

 

There will then be two divisions of 12 each, which will play each other once (eleven games) in the first half of the season.

 

In the second half of the season, those clubs will split into three divisions of eight teams, depending on finishing places in the first half of the season. The bottom four Super League clubs will be in with the top four Championship clubs (which may include the two SL clubs relegated the previous season). Those teams will play each other at home and away (14 games) in the second half of the season.

 

The top four clubs in the second tier, at the end of that season, will then return to Super League for 2016.

Will it be like that every season or just to freshen things up from 2016 onwards. If not it's ridiculous.

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No mention of play-offs yet, so that could be another round of repeat fixtures.

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Just to clarify on what is being proposed.

 

The idea, as far as I understand it, is that the two bottom teams will be relegated from Super League at the end of 2014, regardless of which teams they will be. There could even be three teams relegated if the clubs decide they want Toulouse in the competition in 2015 with a TV deal possibly on the table from BeIn Sport.

 

There will then be two divisions of 12 each, which will play each other once (eleven games) in the first half of the season.

 

In the second half of the season, those clubs will split into three divisions of eight teams, depending on finishing places in the first half of the season. The bottom four Super League clubs will be in with the top four Championship clubs (which may include the two SL clubs relegated the previous season). Those teams will play each other at home and away (14 games) in the second half of the season.

 

The top four clubs in the second tier, at the end of that season, will then return to Super League for 2016.

The lunatics really are running the asylum.

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The Labour Party manifesto for the 1983 general election was described as the longest suicide note in history, and I would compare this proposal to that.

 

It's about Rugby League losing its belief in itself, and not recognising that shuffling the cards makes that all too obvious.

 

It isn't addressing the real issues that affect the game.

 

It's unnecessary and will do great damage.

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The lunatics really are running the asylum.

 

Unfortunately you couldn't be more correct!

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Unless the Sky money is more evenly shared across the proposed two divisions, this will just displace the current moaning. Instead of complaining about the lack of automatic P&R, people will complain that teams of part-timers have no chance against teams of full-timers in that little end of season middle division thing.

 

And what happens to DR? Could a part time team fill their side with full timers from their DR partner? Could a player sent out on DR end up playing against his parent club in the middle division?

 

Don't like.

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Just to clarify on what is being proposed.

 

The idea, as far as I understand it, is that the two bottom teams will be relegated from Super League at the end of 2014, regardless of which teams they will be. There could even be three teams relegated if the clubs decide they want Toulouse in the competition in 2015 with a TV deal possibly on the table from BeIn Sport.

 

There will then be two divisions of 12 each, which will play each other once (eleven games) in the first half of the season.

 

In the second half of the season, those clubs will split into three divisions of eight teams, depending on finishing places in the first half of the season. The bottom four Super League clubs will be in with the top four Championship clubs (which may include the two SL clubs relegated the previous season). Those teams will play each other at home and away (14 games) in the second half of the season.

 

The top four clubs in the second tier, at the end of that season, will then return to Super League for 2016.

 

Say what?!?!?!?!

 

That sounds almost as complicated to explain as the current 8 team play offs. And as pointless.

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Just to clarify on what is being proposed.

 

The idea, as far as I understand it, is that the two bottom teams will be relegated from Super League at the end of 2014, regardless of which teams they will be. There could even be three teams relegated if the clubs decide they want Toulouse in the competition in 2015 with a TV deal possibly on the table from BeIn Sport.

 

There will then be two divisions of 12 each, which will play each other once (eleven games) in the first half of the season.

 

In the second half of the season, those clubs will split into three divisions of eight teams, depending on finishing places in the first half of the season. The bottom four Super League clubs will be in with the top four Championship clubs (which may include the two SL clubs relegated the previous season). Those teams will play each other at home and away (14 games) in the second half of the season.

 

The top four clubs in the second tier, at the end of that season, will then return to Super League for 2016.

I like it - seems to tick all the boxes.

 

 - Something for all clubs to play for throughout the season.

 - Gives clubs the opportunity for promotion and relegation each year.

 - Opportunity for multiple TV packages.

 - Second half of season gives an elite league for the shield, a secondary league for promotion and relegation and a plate, and a tertiary league for developing teams to win the bowl.

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The Labour Party manifesto for the 1983 general election was described as the longest suicide note in history, and I would compare this proposal to that.

 

It's about Rugby League losing its belief in itself, and not recognising that shuffling the cards makes that all too obvious.

 

It isn't addressing the real issues that affect the game.

 

It's unnecessary and will do great damage.

I agree entirely. There is a phrase if it ain't broke, don't fix it. Well I think its fair to say that whilst RL in this country isn't exactly broken it isn't exactly running as well as it should either and is due a service. But this would be akin to scrapping your car because it needs a couple of new tyres and an oil change. And then going out and buying a banger to replace it. No, no and thrice no.

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Why would Sky money be paid across two divisions?

 

Div "2 is likely to be the current Championship division who can't afford to go full time, and still wouldn't be able to even with half the Sky money, so why would Sky, who have shown no interest whatever [their loss] in showing that,  give money to be paid those clubs?

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Sounds ludicrous to me.

 

This is a sport that knows it doesn't have the (playing and financial) resources for two divisions but is desperately trying to please the smaller clubs. The fact is, even if we include two French teams, we only have the resources for a 12 team competition. This is just another way of avoiding the real issues confronting the game.

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