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I can't see how they bring in any change to Super League in 2014 when there is a licence system in operation!

 

The ideas on the table seem to be scraping the barrel and show desperation of change.

 

It is time now before any change that we have a complete change at the top at Red Hall, the current CEO has been in control while the game has been allowed to deteriate in a serious way, what is needed is someone who is in touch with modern sport as it is run now, the game can no longer be run as it is now.

Except it is the clubs and only the clubs who will decide what the format will be, not the RFL.

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I can't see how they bring in any change to Super League in 2014 when there is a licence system in operation!

The ideas on the table seem to be scraping the barrel and show desperation of change.

It is time now before any change that we have a complete change at the top at Red Hall, the current CEO has been in control while the game has been allowed to deteriate in a serious way, what is needed is someone who is in touch with modern sport as it is run now, the game can no longer be run as it is now.

But it's not just the RFL who are presiding over this mess, its the club chairmen.

All of the good that Richard Lewis done for the game is being stripped away piece by piece, yes this has to be the longest suicide note in sporting history.

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Not sure whether to laugh or cry.

At least there is NRL. Think that's the way forward for me.

SL's epitaph should read "It had a go but ultimately lacked courage".

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But it's not just the RFL who are presiding over this mess, its the club chairmen.

All of the good that Richard Lewis done for the game is being stripped away piece by piece, yes this has to be the longest suicide note in sporting history.

It is just a proposal. They haven't endorsed it yet or even made it public.

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Except it is the clubs and only the clubs who will decide what the format will be, not the RFL.

 

I believe the RFL could reject it though if they saw fit, even if clubs saw fit to vote it through. It's at the risk of the RFL though not wanting to annoy the chairmen.

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You are assuming the results in phase 1 don't get carried forward to phase 2, I suspect they would do for the top and bottom divisions.

Indeed I am. And I would consider it strange if that only applied to the top and bottom but not the middle division.

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It's got to be a bluff, and opening gambit with the eventual end-game being something less extreme, but something that would be rejected if it were proposed first up.  That way the ones yielding the power can be seen as having negotiated fairly and settled on a solution that the other clubs feel compelled to support.

 

I like 14, and I like P&R.  What I would like is for Gary Hetherington and his pals to keep their greedy mitts off the structure of the sport.  Sport is a business, and it's not just about the top few clubs making as much money as possible, it's about all clubs being given a structure where they can all build towards profitability.  Look at the strides that the likes of Featherstone and Wakefield have made in the last couple of years, let's not kick them in the teeth again.

 

If that means we have a structure that allows growth and long term stability and profitability for all in the longterm then lets work at that, what we shouldn't be chasing is a structure which is all about maximising profits for the few.

 

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Superleague money to be spread thinner not the best idea.

we need to have one 12 team competition with profitable clubs so that the game can expand, once clubs can prove they will have a sound financial and developmental base they should be admitted to the league, examples of the NBA, NFL, NRL, where franchises are only admitted if they can prove financial backing, good marketing and a good development structure, all the clubs need to market more, and become profitable.

Big city clubs like Sheffield should be admitted big town clubs like York, Nottingham, all should be admitted as developmental teams to the championship, to become Super league clubs.

 

Nottingham and York have been cities since at least William the conqueror, York since the Romans. Just FYI although I agree both have potential as RL markets since the the soccer teams in both cities are not doing so well.

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here's my ground breaking view of it all............................leave it as it is!!

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This is just one of a number of proposals under discussion, according to Tony Hannan on Twitter.  No idea what the other proposals are though but it's fun dissecting this one.

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Nottingham and York have been cities since at least William the conqueror, York since the Romans. Just FYI although I agree both have potential as RL markets since the the soccer teams in both cities are not doing so well.

I've never felt York is a particularly 'sport' city. The Football and Rugby teams have struggled over the years and not threatened the top flight of their sports. The Racecourse isn't one of the big draws in Horse Racing. No idea why, as although it's a small city, it has a large (if sparsely-populated) catchment area.

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:O

 

I want to see the full menu, not this plate of cack.

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This is just one of a number of proposals under discussion, according to Tony Hannan on Twitter.  No idea what the other proposals are though but it's fun dissecting this one.

 

Quite, as I and others have said this is just one of the proposals.

 

A Championship club were promised a place in SL, and it looks like that's not happening.  

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This is just one of a number of proposals under discussion, according to Tony Hannan on Twitter.  No idea what the other proposals are though but it's fun dissecting this one.

The interesting bit for me is that the bottom sides would be relegated - no matter who they were.

 

Potentially this could have been Broncos. Clearly if they ever had immunity to relegation then they no longer do so.

 

Even odder is the (almost far less likely) possibility of Catalans. Would they really be made to play in a league not all that stronger than the French Elite?

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The interesting bit for me is that the bottom sides would be relegated - no matter who they were.

 

Potentially this could have been Broncos. Clearly if they ever had immunity to relegation then they no longer do so.

 

Even odder is the (almost far less likely) possibility of Catalans. Would they really be made to play in a league not all that stronger than the French Elite?

Wigan have Nathan McAvoy and Tim Jonkers on speed dial. Just in case.

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The interesting bit for me is that the bottom sides would be relegated - no matter who they were.

 

Potentially this could have been Broncos. Clearly if they ever had immunity to relegation then they no longer do so.

 

Even odder is the (almost far less likely) possibility of Catalans. Would they really be made to play in a league not all that stronger than the French Elite?

I suppose the thing which makes this easier is the fact that you would assume the relegated teams would be at the stronger end of the 2nd Div, meaning that after the 'cut' they would play against the current strong Championship teams and Weaker Sl teams, which is pretty much their level.

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All too drastic for me.  

 

Why not one up and one down from each division?  Nice and simple!!

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The Labour Party manifesto for the 1983 general election was described as the longest suicide note in history, and I would compare this proposal to that.

 

It's about Rugby League losing its belief in itself, and not recognising that shuffling the cards makes that all too obvious.

 

It isn't addressing the real issues that affect the game.

 

It's unnecessary and will do great damage.

Probably best comment on here for some after mine of course! ....and I suppose Hindle will want to be rocgnised too.

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The game need odd tweaks. This comes out the same day as RU announces 5 games at Wembley for their World Cup (in two years time!). SL to 12. Licencing for Championship with regards to ground etc to allow P and R between SL and Championship with rules and regs like Caps etc becoming closer for top two tiers. ANY new team to play in Championship 1. If a team wins Championship 1 they can then apply for Championship.

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The game need odd tweaks. This comes out the same day as RU announces 5 games at Wembley for their World Cup (in two years time!). SL to 12. Licencing for Championship with regards to ground etc to allow P and R between SL and Championship with rules and regs like Caps etc becoming closer for top two tiers. ANY new team to play in Championship 1. If a team wins Championship 1 they can then apply for Championship.

 

Sorry for going OT, but where did you get 5 matches at Wembley from? They have two there cos the NFL has the stadium booked up the rest of that month.

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Thinking a bit more about what Sadler reports, it just all sounds completely crackers.

 

Surely the two big issues to resolve are the ridiculous SL play off system and the issue of movement between SL and the Championship? My understanding is the format/ structure of the play-offs  rests with the clubs to decide on, so good luck on changing that.

 

Could the movement between the two leagues not be resolved by simply cutting the license period to 2 years, at the end of which the team finishing bottom of SL is automatically relegated provided the Championship winner has met the minimum license standards?

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There are lots of questions that need answered before a proper judgement can be made on this.

Funding - how is it going to be allocated ?

The biggest question of the lot and until we know the proposal for TV payments to clubs it's not possible to work out the likely effects of this.

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Just to clarify on what is being proposed.

 

The idea, as far as I understand it, is that the two bottom teams will be relegated from Super League at the end of 2014, regardless of which teams they will be. There could even be three teams relegated if the clubs decide they want Toulouse in the competition in 2015 with a TV deal possibly on the table from BeIn Sport.

 

There will then be two divisions of 12 each, which will play each other once (eleven games) in the first half of the season.

 

In the second half of the season, those clubs will split into three divisions of eight teams, depending on finishing places in the first half of the season. The bottom four Super League clubs will be in with the top four Championship clubs (which may include the two SL clubs relegated the previous season). Those teams will play each other at home and away (14 games) in the second half of the season.

 

The top four clubs in the second tier, at the end of that season, will then return to Super League for 2016.

 

So, basically the idea that Scottish football rejected recently, and that supporters were totally against. And the league system that Swiss football tried for a few seasons before dumping it as unpopular and damaging.

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Season ticket sales will be interesting under this structure, especially for those clubs who fall into the category of not knowing which league they'll be in for the second half of the season. If you were a Cas fan, for example, would you buy a SL-priced season ticket if there's a very good chance you'll be playing half of it in the 2nd tier ? Or will clubs have to sell half-season tickets and re-price accordingly for the 2nd half of the season ?

 

That was the objection that helped kill it in Scotland.

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