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Rumours abound that a new league structure will shortly be proposed to begin in 2015. This would consist of a 12 team SL and 12 team Championship with P&R between the two - no word has yet emerged regarding the rest of the present clubs.

 

The idea is that the two bottom teams will be relegated from Super League at the end of 2014. They will join the "top" teams from the Championship, probably including a new French club.

 

There will then be two divisions of 12 each, which will play each other once (eleven games) in the first half of the season.

 

In the second half of the season, those clubs will split into three divisions of eight teams, depending on finishing places in the first half of the season. The bottom four Super League clubs will be in with the top four Championship clubs (which may include the two SL clubs relegated the previous season). Those teams will play each other at home and away (14 games) in the second half of the season.

 

The top four clubs in the second tier, at the end of that season, will then return to Super League for 2016.

 

 

 

 

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Rumours abound that a new league structure will shortly be proposed to begin in 2015. This would consist of a 12 team SL and 12 team Championship with P&R between the two - no word has yet emerged regarding the rest of the present clubs.

 

The idea is that the two bottom teams will be relegated from Super League at the end of 2014. They will join the "top" teams from the Championship, probably including a new French club.

 

There will then be two divisions of 12 each, which will play each other once (eleven games) in the first half of the season.

 

In the second half of the season, those clubs will split into three divisions of eight teams, depending on finishing places in the first half of the season. The bottom four Super League clubs will be in with the top four Championship clubs (which may include the two SL clubs relegated the previous season). Those teams will play each other at home and away (14 games) in the second half of the season.

 

The top four clubs in the second tier, at the end of that season, will then return to Super League for 2016.

 

 

 

 

Discuss!

Hilarious :)

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Good idea I think, but there again I'm from Dewsbury so will buy into any old rubbish :)

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Exactly the kind of response I'd have expected from these two.

 

I've already made it clear that I think something is on the cards, so it wouldn't surprise me too much if they came up with something along these lines. They have to do something because the gap between the top and bottom sides of S. League is bad enough, but the division between S. League and Championship sides is a chasm that might never be bridged, not under the present system anyway. Something HAS to be done or the game is just going to fade away.

 

Things have been going that way ever since they did away with promotion and relegation, but I'm far from convinced that splitting the season into so many different competitions is the answer. It would take some time for even the top Championship sides to start posing a real threat, and I don't think the game has long enough for that.

 

I'd be interested to read a few other thoughts on BSJ's post.

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Rumours abound that a new league structure will shortly be proposed to begin in 2015. This would consist of a 12 team SL and 12 team Championship with P&R between the two - no word has yet emerged regarding the rest of the present clubs.

 

The idea is that the two bottom teams will be relegated from Super League at the end of 2014. They will join the "top" teams from the Championship, probably including a new French club.

 

There will then be two divisions of 12 each, which will play each other once (eleven games) in the first half of the season.

 

In the second half of the season, those clubs will split into three divisions of eight teams, depending on finishing places in the first half of the season. The bottom four Super League clubs will be in with the top four Championship clubs (which may include the two SL clubs relegated the previous season). Those teams will play each other at home and away (14 games) in the second half of the season.

 

The top four clubs in the second tier, at the end of that season, will then return to Super League for 2016.

 

 

 

 

Discuss!

 

You sure you've not been at the magic mushrooms BSJ ? Just where do these rumours abound ? I could see the better supported clubs breaking away, if only to get rid of the salary cap, but I can't see the hangers on agreeing to change the status quo. If it did go ahead, the usual championship suspects would almost certainly bankrupt themselves on the promise of SL - AGAIN.

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Ahh! I see - woodys had one of his visions. Sure the likes of cas, wakey and Salford will be all for it. :D

 

 

Actually it hasn't come from him but from a "working party" (I don't know who the members were) in recognition that SL is struggling and needs a drastic change.

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I cannot see such a complicated scheme attracting fans

 

 

Unlike the current one then?

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just to put a slightly more exciting slant on this , what if this new arrangement was super league 1 & 2 and the rest of the clubs formed the championship after the initial period of games ,and what if during the first "qualifying " part of the season the teams in sl1 played the teams in sl2 either home or away decided by draw with points accumulated to decide the formation of the leagues after the split when there may be two full sl leagues of 8 playing home and away and a championship also of 8 playing home and away . if the dispersal of monies was pro rata it would help level the game up and you could find the likes of batley in sl2 playing the first half of the season against most of the current super league either home or away . the top four in sl2 at the end of the season would go back up to form sl1 for the start of the next campaign with promotion and relegation between sl2 and the championship and championship2.

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just to put a slightly more exciting slant on this , what if this new arrangement was super league 1 & 2 and the rest of the clubs formed the championship after the initial period of games ,and what if during the first "qualifying " part of the season the teams in sl1 played the teams in sl2 either home or away decided by draw with points accumulated to decide the formation of the leagues after the split when there may be two full sl leagues of 8 playing home and away and a championship also of 8 playing home and away . if the dispersal of monies was pro rata it would help level the game up and you could find the likes of batley in sl2 playing the first half of the season against most of the current super league either home or away . the top four in sl2 at the end of the season would go back up to form sl1 for the start of the next campaign with promotion and relegation between sl2 and the championship and championship2.

 

 

 

I think that a levelling of monies was a part of the consideration. All it needs, of course, is for the SL clubs to agree to it - I can't see why they wouldn't can you?

 

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Unlike the current one then?

Can't afford to alienate the ones we already have, Johnny.

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Rumours abound that a new league structure will shortly be proposed to begin in 2015. This would consist of a 12 team SL and 12 team Championship with P&R between the two - no word has yet emerged regarding the rest of the present clubs.

 

The idea is that the two bottom teams will be relegated from Super League at the end of 2014. They will join the "top" teams from the Championship, probably including a new French club.

 

There will then be two divisions of 12 each, which will play each other once (eleven games) in the first half of the season.

 

In the second half of the season, those clubs will split into three divisions of eight teams, depending on finishing places in the first half of the season. The bottom four Super League clubs will be in with the top four Championship clubs (which may include the two SL clubs relegated the previous season). Those teams will play each other at home and away (14 games) in the second half of the season.

 

The top four clubs in the second tier, at the end of that season, will then return to Super League for 2016.

 

 

 

 

Discuss!

This sounds so convoluted, so complicated for the armchair fan and so open to chance ( first half of season you play a team either home or away, but not both) that it must be true. Add to this the fact that we can't go two seasons without changing the league structure then it's confirmed. God help us, we are the laughing stock. Try running this past the FA and the top soccer teams and see what response you get......rugby league is kept alive by the passion of current fans for "their" teams. Changing the structure very two years, excluding promotion / relegation and having competitions the average sports fan doesn't understand ensures that we will always lag behind soccer and union and makes it really difficult to improve the fan base across the sport.

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Rumours abound that a new league structure will shortly be proposed to begin in 2015. This would consist of a 12 team SL and 12 team Championship with P&R between the two - no word has yet emerged regarding the rest of the present clubs.

 

The idea is that the two bottom teams will be relegated from Super League at the end of 2014. They will join the "top" teams from the Championship, probably including a new French club.

 

There will then be two divisions of 12 each, which will play each other once (eleven games) in the first half of the season.

 

In the second half of the season, those clubs will split into three divisions of eight teams, depending on finishing places in the first half of the season. The bottom four Super League clubs will be in with the top four Championship clubs (which may include the two SL clubs relegated the previous season). Those teams will play each other at home and away (14 games) in the second half of the season.

 

The top four clubs in the second tier, at the end of that season, will then return to Super League for 2016.

 

 

 

 

Discuss!

I would be surprised if this change goes ahead but would not be surprised if the Super League is reduced to 12 teams in 2015 with promotion and relegation reintroduced. This change would allow for the expansion of the World Club Championship which would appeal to Sky TV who will have a big say in how the league is structured.

 

It would be unfair to move the goalposts at this stage of the Franchise licensing process.  

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I'm a few days late I understand, but I have a suggestion, replace Castleford, Salford, London and Widnes (as they're the current bottom 4 and have been inconsistent over past seasons) with Halifax, Featherstone, Sheffield and Leigh (as they're the current top 4 in our league and have been consistent over past seasons) and make the super league more competitive and then just put P&R in, but only if it was as easy as that eh?

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Brilliant in its simplicity.Your plan will get you free drinks anywhere in the latter 4 places and a fat lip in Castleford,Salford & Widnes.Of course no one in London will care much either way.

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Although the gulf in class between the have's and have nots in Super League isnt currently reflected in the league table (how the heck Widnes have 11pts is beyond me) , the Championship is certainly a lot more clear cut.

 

Sitting 6th in the league, we are 12pts adrift of 5th position and yet only 4pts clear of the bottom spot in the league.

 

The problem is, if Super League get their way and split into 2 divisions, the teams that will be incorporated into SL2 will surely drain the last drops of income from the Championship, Batley being the obvious winners in this scenario, Kev Nicholls master plan is finally coming to fruition muahahahaha.

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Although the gulf in class between the have's and have nots in Super League isnt currently reflected in the league table (how the heck Widnes have 11pts is beyond me) , the Championship is certainly a lot more clear cut.

 

Sitting 6th in the league, we are 12pts adrift of 5th position and yet only 4pts clear of the bottom spot in the league.

 

The problem is, if Super League get their way and split into 2 divisions, the teams that will be incorporated into SL2 will surely drain the last drops of income from the Championship, Batley being the obvious winners in this scenario, Kev Nicholls master plan is finally coming to fruition muahahahaha.

 

 

Maybe. Whatever changes are introduced, and there are a number of scenarios besides the one causing the most fuss, will come into operation in 2015. Individual teams can boom or bust by then, sadly more likely the latter than the former.

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Although the gulf in class between the have's and have nots in Super League isnt currently reflected in the league table (how the heck Widnes have 11pts is beyond me) , the Championship is certainly a lot more clear cut.

 

Sitting 6th in the league, we are 12pts adrift of 5th position and yet only 4pts clear of the bottom spot in the league.

 

The problem is, if Super League get their way and split into 2 divisions, the teams that will be incorporated into SL2 will surely drain the last drops of income from the Championship, Batley being the obvious winners in this scenario, Kev Nicholls master plan is finally coming to fruition muahahahaha.

 

The pragmatic in me cant help thinking that its worked in football.

 

But the supporter in me can't see any club, or their fans, ever agreeing to leave the super league top flight/league (call it what you will) voluntarily.

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Although the gulf in class between the have's and have nots in Super League isnt currently reflected in the league table (how the heck Widnes have 11pts is beyond me) , the Championship is certainly a lot more clear cut.

 

Sitting 6th in the league, we are 12pts adrift of 5th position and yet only 4pts clear of the bottom spot in the league.

 

The problem is, if Super League get their way and split into 2 divisions, the teams that will be incorporated into SL2 will surely drain the last drops of income from the Championship, Batley being the obvious winners in this scenario, Kev Nicholls master plan is finally coming to fruition muahahahaha.

 

I can see some positives here. With fev, leigh, fax, eagles and the dogs gone, we will be a few steps nearer to our ambition of being the best team outside superleague. What's not to like. :rolleyes:

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With so few speccies, having to fund that level of relative success will be like walking a tightrope.

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I want to put something witty but I can't actually argue. Our crowds are awful, and it must be demoralising for the board and players alike, especially after a few relatively successful seasons. Will they improve if the structure is changed...hopefully...but I sadly wouldn't put any money on it.

Just glad we aren't in your position or we could be looking at 300 against Gateshead next year;).

 

 

I remember when we last played with the big boys in the top league (pre SL days). We were rubbish and got hammered almost every match. Consequently our attendances, which were comfortably in four figures, fell rather than increased culminating in only 1700 watching us play Leeds at Crown Flatt. Hence playing in the top division doesn't necessarily generate better support.

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I remember when we last played with the big boys in the top league (pre SL days). We were rubbish and got hammered almost every match. Consequently our attendances, which were comfortably in four figures, fell rather than increased culminating in only 1700 watching us play Leeds at Crown Flatt. Hence playing in the top division doesn't necessarily generate better support.

I would agree BSJ. Even when we were on the cusp of the top division in the mid 90's the crowds were probably only around the 2k mark, unless it was a derby game.

Not sure what can be done to stop the apathy amongst fans to be honest. Interest levels seems disappointing low, despite the product on show being quite decent at the moment.

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I just knew it was too good to last Eddie and doubt I will be around in the distant future when you next have a sensible statement to make but Hey ho at least I can say I was there a bit like all oldies on the rams forum who are 50 plus and remember the lasttime dewsbury won somthing. Sadly Eddie you will never experiance it in your lifetime :)

 

Gloat all you want now Batley are on the up. Your club are struggling to get people through the gates when your playing well. I wonder how many will bother to turn up once you start losing again. 

And yes I've been there when Dewsbury have won cups/leagues and have beaten better Batley teams than the one you have now.  :)

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