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It's not the product on show that's the problem, it's the idiots that are running the game.

 

 

According to the supporters way back to the 1950's (CF?) the RFL has always been run by idiots. It's always been a lazy conclusion to reach for a complex problem.

 

FWIW the RFU is also run by idiots but their gates have increased substantially over the years. Someone please explain that, logically if possible.

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In a nutshell "Marketing!"

 

They also don't tinker with the rules every season, or the structure and they still have the excitement of relegation and promotion so there is nearly always something to play for, There is also added interest in that there are competitions involving British, Irish and French teams during the season so that supporters aren't lumbered with seeing the same teams week in week out. Basically they are benefitting from being a national sport rather than the parochial one that RL is always likely to be. 

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They also don't tinker with the rules every season, or the structure and they still have the excitement of relegation and promotion so there is nearly always something to play for, There is also added interest in that there are competitions involving British, Irish and French teams during the season so that supporters aren't lumbered with seeing the same teams week in week out. Basically they are benefitting from being a national sport rather than the parochial one that RL is always likely to be. 

 

 

Not to mention friends in high places!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And fifth columnists. ;)

 

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Not to mention friends in high places!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And fifth columnists. ;)

 

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And more importantly - credible newspaper columnists :lol: 

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A sensible approach but, for me, an unworkable conclusion. A Championship season starting two months earlier would give us poor souls the worst of both worlds. We'd get the freeezing weather in January and february and miss out on any chance of the good weather enjoyed by SL later in the year. All of this would be to solve the problems of one or two teams that might have a hope of promotion to SL.

 

Let's have something that tackles the issue of clubs overspending to stay in/get into SL and creates a viable competition for those of us that will always lie below such dizzy heights.

 

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I just knew it was too good to last Eddie and doubt I will be around in the distant future when you next have a sensible statement to make but Hey ho at least I can say I was there a bit like all oldies on the rams forum who are 50 plus and remember the lasttime dewsbury won somthing. Sadly Eddie you will never experiance it in your lifetime :)

I'm only 14 and I have seen my team the Rams win at least 4 major trophies within that time. I think Batley have won one as well. My dad, who is 89 agrees, "Yes I do remember Batley winning something once" :shout:  

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I think that the gap between full time SL and part time Championship is probably too large for automatic promotion and relegation. Many a year would see a stronger team come down than the one going up.  Perhaps the side at the bottom of SL should have to re apply to be in SL next season, and the team at the top of the Championship table and the Championship winners be also allowed to apply.  The infrastructure of the clubs could be compared; with perhaps a bias towards the existing SL club, but also if a team had been towards the bottom of SL or very successful in the Championship for a number of consecutive years this could be taken into account.  Merit points could be allocated to the candidates based on pre set criteria, with a small team from the RL to make the final decision.

 

A scheme like this would give more stability than automatic promotion/relegation whilst allowing ambitious clubs to move forward.  I would also suggest that any Championship winning/table topping candidate that decided not to apply for SL should be given a little extra prize money instead.

 

I trust that that is not too complicated.

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I think that the gap between full time SL and part time Championship is probably too large for automatic promotion and relegation. Many a year would see a stronger team come down than the one going up.  Perhaps the side at the bottom of SL should have to re apply to be in SL next season, and the team at the top of the Championship table and the Championship winners be also allowed to apply.  The infrastructure of the clubs could be compared; with perhaps a bias towards the existing SL club, but also if a team had been towards the bottom of SL or very successful in the Championship for a number of consecutive years this could be taken into account.  Merit points could be allocated to the candidates based on pre set criteria, with a small team from the RL to make the final decision.

 

A scheme like this would give more stability than automatic promotion/relegation whilst allowing ambitious clubs to move forward.  I would also suggest that any Championship winning/table topping candidate that decided not to apply for SL should be given a little extra prize money instead.

 

I trust that that is not too complicated.

 

 

That's starting to sound lime a franchise though, isn't it Bi11?

 

Bridging this gap is, in my opinion, virtually unsurmountable at present. I reckon that the new plans are based upon a desire to reduce SL to 12 teams and how to get the rest of the system to fit into that, but maybe I'm just being cynical.

 

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They also don't tinker with the rules every season, or the structure and they still have the excitement of relegation and promotion so there is nearly always something to play for, There is also added interest in that there are competitions involving British, Irish and French teams during the season so that supporters aren't lumbered with seeing the same teams week in week out. Basically they are benefitting from being a national sport rather than the parochial one that RL is always likely to be. 

 

Bedford?

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Call me selfish, but I would prefer it if the season kicked off in April and finished in December anyway - in other words summer rugby. We miss out on three of the best playing/watching months as it stands, instead playing in temperatures and on bone hard pitches that invite injury and result in decimated squads before April is out. I'm not sure that extra preparation time given by your idea, would have made much difference in the days when P and R operated. To me the problem was that newly promoted teams weren't given the funding to compete - maybe those teams should have been given the parachute payments that ensured relegated sides went straight back up. I would suggest that any future form of P and R would only involve clubs with the stability and financial clout to compete, with maybe the RFL relaxing the salary cap for newly promoted teams.

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Bedford?

 

Bedford?

 

The fact that Bedford's ground doesn't meet the criteria is surely the fault of the club, not the system - the opportunity for promotion was there. I mean WE wouldn't want clubs in SL with grounds that were not up to scratch would we ? Oh ..... hang on.  ;)  

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Call me selfish, but I would prefer it if the season kicked off in April and finished in December anyway - in other words summer rugby. We miss out on three of the best playing/watching months as it stands, instead playing in temperatures and on bone hard pitches that invite injury and result in decimated squads before April is out. I'm not sure that extra preparation time given by your idea, would have made much difference in the days when P and R operated. To me the problem was that newly promoted teams weren't given the funding to compete - maybe those teams should have been given the parachute payments that ensured relegated sides went straight back up. I would suggest that any future form of P and R would only involve clubs with the stability and financial clout to compete, with maybe the RFL relaxing the salary cap for newly promoted teams.

 

 

Agree, but where would these newly promoted clubs get the money from in the first instance?

 

Not one of the present Championship clubs would be able to generate sufficient income from their own resources, so it's back to sugar daddies again and Barrow is an example of how well that works.

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Agree, but where would these newly promoted clubs get the money from in the first instance?

 

Not one of the present Championship clubs would be able to generate sufficient income from their own resources, so it's back to sugar daddies again and Barrow is an example of how well that works.

 

Maybe I'm being simplistic, but, having ascertained that the club to be promoted satisfies ground criteria and has a sound business plan (plus whatever else the RL throw up to try and ensure the status quo), then that club should be given the money previously allocated to the relegated club, but it's progress should be monitored to ensure it lives within it's means for a couple of seasons. Won't happen of course - turkeys don't vote for Christmas.

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I'm only 14 and I have seen my team the Rams win at least 4 major trophies within that time. I think Batley have won one as well. My dad, who is 89 agrees, "Yes I do remember Batley winning something once" :shout:  

Dewsbury won a Championship in 1999 by paying wages they had no chance of affording .If every team repeated what Dewsbury did there would not be a game. Dewsbury  9 out of the last 10 seasons have finished below Batley and been at best a good Championship One side due mainly to the financial management of Dewsbury in the late 90's. 

 

Both clubs nowadays although struggling in the current economic climate do appear to run with more realistic ambitions. 

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Maybe I'm being simplistic, but, having ascertained that the club to be promoted satisfies ground criteria and has a sound business plan (plus whatever else the RL throw up to try and ensure the status quo), then that club should be given the money previously allocated to the relegated club, but it's progress should be monitored to ensure it lives within it's means for a couple of seasons. Won't happen of course - turkeys don't vote for Christmas.

 

Of course, but that allocation of funds comes nowhere near the amount of money required to get up to the existing salary cap, Castleford being a classic case in point. This is why I ask the question "where would they get there money from".

 

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Of course, but that allocation of funds comes nowhere near the amount of money required to get up to the existing salary cap, Castleford being a classic case in point. This is why I ask the question "where would they get there money from".

 

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So is there a case then for allocating more to the poorer and less well attended clubs to even things up then ? Or should we accept that realistically only half a dozen clubs can actually afford SL - and even some of them (including Leeds and Wigan - allegedly) have sailed close to the wind.

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So is there a case then for allocating more to the poorer and less well attended clubs to even things up then ? Or should we accept that realistically only half a dozen clubs can actually afford SL - and even some of them (including Leeds and Wigan - allegedly) have sailed close to the wind.

 

 

There's a finite pot available. What you suggest, fair and equitable though it may be, would have to be voted for by those clubs that would stand to lose most in the short term it it were adopted. Go figure, as our transatlantic friends might say.

 

 

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