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Eddie Rombo

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I'm sure I will be in for a pasting on here, but my perspective as a southerner and who has discussed rl with friends/colleagues in my area is that whilst this is a National game, it is still  seen by lots of people south of Warford gap as a Northern game,  We need people on tv from all over the UK to be commentators, summarisers, interviewers - not just people with northern accents who just add to the northerness of the game.... and don't get me started on the players being interviewed, (in studios, not after games) Is there a competition on to see who can talk with the most graveliest, northern accent and throw in a few 'we got us tactics right',  'anyroad',  'it dunt hurt'.

If you want the game to appeal nationally, and it should on its own merits of being a great game to watch, I'm affraid the game has to try to show an 'all inclusiveness' in its presentation. 

(Yes, I know we have one Irishman on the Sky team and the lovely Claire on the BBC, but we need more).

I agree completely with this.

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And as Stevo set up the RL museum at Huddersfield, it's a bit harsh to criticise him considering what he's done away from the commentary box.

 

I'm well aware of Stevo's effort in that field and they are rightly applauded.  I don't think the two things are connected.

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Doesn't Tulsen Tollet present on ESPN or one of the other satellite channels? wouldnt mind seeing Tulsen back on SKYs RL coverage.

James Richardson is someone i've always enjoyed watching as a presenter, my dream team would be:

James Richardson - Presenter

Brian Carney - Analyst/co-commentator/part-time presenter

Phil Clarke - Analyst/co-commentator

Tulsen Tollett - Analyst/part-time presenter

Dave Woods - Commentator

Tanya Arnold - Reporter/part-time presenter

Jon Wells - pitchside reporter/interviewer

Barrie McDermott - pitchside reporter/interviewer

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Tulsen Tollet is currently employed by the BBC.

 

By far and away the most listenable/professional commentators are Dave Woods and ex-BBC commentator Jon Champion.

 

The easiest way to improve Sky's coverage is to reduce the number of bodies in the commentary box.

 

Eddie Hemmings - Commentator no more no less. Call the game, do not opine. Do not argue with the analyst/summariser.

 

One of: Stevo, Clarke, Carney, Cullen Kear as analyst during the game no more. An additional half and full-time analyst from the aforementioned list to dissect the plays/offer an alternative take on the in-game analyst.

 

Under no circumstances should the commentator/analyst start arguing amongst themselves. Call the game and analyse it. No more no less.

 

A few simple steps, would improve how the game is presented onto a new plain.

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Doesn't Tulsen Tollet present on ESPN or one of the other satellite channels? wouldnt mind seeing Tulsen back on SKYs RL coverage.

James Richardson is someone i've always enjoyed watching as a presenter, my dream team would be:

James Richardson - Presenter

Brian Carney - Analyst/co-commentator/part-time presenter

Phil Clarke - Analyst/co-commentator

Tulsen Tollett - Analyst/part-time presenter

Dave Woods - Commentator

Tanya Arnold - Reporter/part-time presenter

Jon Wells - pitchside reporter/interviewer

Barrie McDermott - pitchside reporter/interviewer

 

Can't really argue with that.

 

Sky's team doesn't need a complete overhaul - a solid core of Carney, Clarke and Wells are smart, articulate, and present a modern positive image and should absolutely be kept.  Adding Tollett would be a good move.

 

James Richardson's a very good broadcaster - no idea whether he knows anything about the game.

 

And if you'd asked me a couple of years ago, I'd have said get rid of McDermott.  But I think he's improved considerably and worth keeping. 

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I'm well aware of Stevo's effort in that field and they are rightly applauded.  I don't think the two things are connected.

 

Why not? If he's prepared to give up significant amounts of his own time for the game setting up a museum using his own collection, why wouldn't he be prepared to queue at the turnstiles as you earlier stated? Just because he doesn't have to, doesn't immediately mean he wouldn't.

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...By far and away the most listenable/professional commentators are Dave Woods and ex-BBC commentator Jon Champion....

Funnily enough, Jon Champion is one of the earliest "voices of league" for me. Hearing his nasal whine on Cup commentary and the narration on The Story of Rugby League video brings it all back.

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Can't really argue with that.

 

Sky's team doesn't need a complete overhaul - a solid core of Carney, Clarke and Wells are smart, articulate, and present a modern positive image and should absolutely be kept.  Adding Tollett would be a good move.

 

James Richardson's a very good broadcaster - no idea whether he knows anything about the game.

 

And if you'd asked me a couple of years ago, I'd have said get rid of McDermott.  But I think he's improved considerably and worth keeping. 

James Richardson would be a good addition. He has a good reputation in the football world, which could bring over new viewers.

 

He also has a popular blog with the Guardian that is very well read, a similar one for rugby league would give the game a lot of extra coverage.

 

He presented the worlds strongest man, so you would think he would be open to coming over to rugby league

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I kind of get the impression James Richardson might be the kind of guy who insists on some form of freedom in his work, hence why he isn't tied down to one particular sport or show. Would love to see him front the RL coverage on SKY, purely as a presenter, someone who can direct questions at the guests and analysts and get their opinions on the topics of the day.

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I agree Dave Woods is a good commentator.

 

Who else would members get if we could put together a dream team for the super league presentation on sky?

 

Clare Balding- good presenter, well spoken, loves the game?

 

Tanya Arnold- Does a good job on the super league show?

 

Craig Doyle- on itv for the rugby union highlights, a good presenter, good knowledge, give him time and would be the same about rugby league?

 

Any other suggestions?

 

What ex players would we like to see give analysis?

 

Would anyone be kept from the team now?

 

What sort of analysis and information from commentators are you looking for?

 

I quite liked Ray Warren's son, Steve was it? Thought he was pretty good. I just want some personality and a couple of people who will not just sit on the fence but criticize a player or coach for poor performances.

 

I think if Ian Millward was a little more critical then he would be brilliant. He is quite funny at times on the SL show which normally bores me to tears. 

 

Its a shame in a way that Brian Noble has gone back into coaching, he has been very good on 5Live's Fighting Talk recently and has a personality as well.

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Why not? If he's prepared to give up significant amounts of his own time for the game setting up a museum using his own collection, why wouldn't he be prepared to queue at the turnstiles as you earlier stated? Just because he doesn't have to, doesn't immediately mean he wouldn't.

 

What do you mean "he doesn't have to", why not?  

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What do you mean "he doesn't have to", why not?  

erm, because he gets in free as he is working?

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erm, because he gets in free as he is working?

 

I was thinking more of a Sunday afternoon fixture, not covered by Sky.  Or a championship match.  They may well queue up and pay on the gate or buy tickets like the rest of us, but the impression that they give me from their constant negativity is that they're no longer in love with the game so are pretty unlikely to do so.

 

Interestingly, and largely unrelated  but not worthy of another thread, Wakefield Trinity recently introduced an excellent past players association, whereby ex players can pay a small fee to the club and get heavily discounted (£30 per year) membership which entitles them and a guest to entry to all home games.  It's certainly seems to have helped renew bonds between ex-players and the club AND stop the something for nothing culture that could be seen at times.  

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erm, because he gets in free as he is working?

 

Exactly that. Cheers Dave.

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I was thinking more of a Sunday afternoon fixture, not covered by Sky.  Or a championship match.  They may well queue up and pay on the gate or buy tickets like the rest of us, but the impression that they give me from their constant negativity is that they're no longer in love with the game so are pretty unlikely to do so.

 

And how do you know Eddie or Stevo don't go to other matches? Your impression might be completely wrong.

 

And what if they don't? They see at least 2 games live every week. That's more than most people do.

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And how do you know Eddie or Stevo don't go to other matches? Your impression might be completely wrong.

 

And what if they don't? They see at least 2 games live every week. That's more than most people do.

 

Quite right, it's my impression from the negative and ill informed nonsense they spout whilst doing their job for Sky.  For all I know they could be regulars at Owl Lane or Derwent Park, but I don't get that impression.

 

It harks back to my original point, in that it's my preference that people that commentate on the game are enthusiastic about it, I don't see Eddie as being a die hard RL man, and I don't think Stevo's that interested either.

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I'm sure I will be in for a pasting on here, but my perspective as a southerner and who has discussed rl with friends/colleagues in my area is that whilst this is a National game, it is still seen by lots of people south of Warford gap as a Northern game, We need people on tv from all over the UK to be commentators, summarisers, interviewers - not just people with northern accents who just add to the northerness of the game.... and don't get me started on the players being interviewed, (in studios, not after games) Is there a competition on to see who can talk with the most graveliest, northern accent and throw in a few 'we got us tactics right', 'anyroad', 'it dunt hurt'.

If you want the game to appeal nationally, and it should on its own merits of being a great game to watch, I'm affraid the game has to try to show an 'all inclusiveness' in its presentation.

(Yes, I know we have one Irishman on the Sky team and the lovely Claire on the BBC, but we need more).

The problem is, if someone's northern, chances are that they'll sound northern.

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People accuse Eddie and Stevo of talking nonsense then back it up with nonsense about what they may or may not do in their spare time. Chances are you have far more in common with E&S than you might imagine...

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People accuse Eddie and Stevo of talking nonsense then back it up with nonsense about what they may or may not do in their spare time. Chances are you have far more in common with E&S than you might imagine...

 

Guilty as charged.

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Quite right, it's my impression from the negative and ill informed nonsense they spout whilst doing their job for Sky.  For all I know they could be regulars at Owl Lane or Derwent Park, but I don't get that impression.

 

It harks back to my original point, in that it's my preference that people that commentate on the game are enthusiastic about it, I don't see Eddie as being a die hard RL man, and I don't think Stevo's that interested either.

 

There's plenty of people on here who spout 'negative and ill informed nonsense', but it doesn't mean they're not interested in the game.

 

And whatever your thoughts on Stevo's style of commentary, I find it hard to believe that anyone could think he's not that interested in the sport.

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There's plenty of people on here who spout 'negative and ill informed nonsense', but it doesn't mean they're not interested in the game.

And whatever your thoughts on Stevo's style of commentary, I find it hard to believe that anyone could think he's not that interested in the sport.

As someone who hasn't been following league for all that long, the impression I've always had of Stevo is that he's super passionate about the game.

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There is no doubt that Stevo is passionate about rugby league, he has had a good career out of the game but the question is, is he really the best man to present the game to the public?

 

Stevo is 66 years old and Eddie 64, in light of Alex Ferguson's retirement, seemingly at the top of his game, you would think these two would be considering their retirements anyway. 

 

No one can really blame them for repeating the same old cliches and waffling on, they have been doing the same job for over twenty years, it is clear the game needs freshening up, with some young blood brought in. That's why someone like James Richardson would be such a good choice, he is fairly young, would have a new perspective on the game and already has a national profile, with good contacts throughout the media.

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National Profile is pushing it a bit - Cult Profile is more accurate. He would be a good, but as someone mentioned before I think he prefers the freedom he gets from the Serie A and Guardian gigs. It's never going to happen. (Besides if there was any justice he'd have been presenting Match of the Day 2 years ago)

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