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Ralph Miliband swore an oath to the King? His sons inherited his hypocrisy then!!

Was he actual a serving seaman, or a civilian on a ship?

He didn't fight anyone.

What medal was he awarded?

He wasn't fighting for Britain, he was fighting for his beliefs.

 

 

Ralph Miliband swore an oath to the King? His sons inherited his hypocrisy then!!

Was he actual a serving seaman, or a civilian on a ship?

He didn't fight anyone.

What medal was he awarded?

He wasn't fighting for Britain, he was fighting for his beliefs.

my father served in the Royal and Royal New Zealand before throughout and after world war two

he took part in some of the most savage naval campaigns in that war. He was a republican, but naturally swore an oath to the king otherwise he wouldn't have been admitted. The King or Queen is the head of state in the UK so effectively by swearing an oath to the king you are swearing an oath of loyalty to the state with the king or queen as proxy. Hypocrisy doesn't enter into it, and if it did it would have been a small price to pay and not worth quibbling about. If Milliband was a hypocrite then tens of thoiusands of others who put their lives and health on the line to fight in that war in many cases losing that life or having it ruined physically or mentally. Are you saying these people are hypocrites? Are you saying my father was a hypocrite?

 

For your information Milliband was in the Belgian section of the Royal Bavy as a rating equivekant to a private in the army. He served in a V and W class destroyer: ancient vessels dating from world war one, but which had been updated to fill the role of  escort vessel. and played an important part in that role from the beginning of the war to the end.

 

Ralph MIlliband wrote his comments as a seventeen year old. There were and still are aspects of the British way of life that it is quite legitimate to loathe without that loathing constituting some kind of treachery or subversion of the positive aspects of the British way of life.

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Someone is going to have to explain what the point of the party conferences are these days. Apart from drunken, clandestine sex with "underlings".

 

 

 

I'd like to see Dave Woods tackle this topic during the world cup  :ph34r:

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my father served in the Royal and Royal New Zealand before throughout and after world war two

he took part in some of the most savage naval campaigns in that war. He was a republican, but naturally swore an oath to the king otherwise he wouldn't have been admitted. The King or Queen is the head of state in the UK so effectively by swearing an oath to the king you are swearing an oath of loyalty to the state with the king or queen as proxy. Hypocrisy doesn't enter into it, and if it did it would have been a small price to pay and not worth quibbling about. If Milliband was a hypocrite then tens of thoiusands of others who put their lives and health on the line to fight in that war in many cases losing that life or having it ruined physically or mentally. Are you saying these people are hypocrites? Are you saying my father was a hypocrite?

 

For your information Milliband was in the Belgian section of the Royal Bavy as a rating equivekant to a private in the army. He served in a V and W class destroyer: ancient vessels dating from world war one, but which had been updated to fill the role of  escort vessel. and played an important part in that role from the beginning of the war to the end.

 

Ralph MIlliband wrote his comments as a seventeen year old. There were and still are aspects of the British way of life that it is quite legitimate to loathe without that loathing constituting some kind of treachery or subversion of the positive aspects of the British way of life.

As did my father this man Biffa is now insulting thousands of Families of  the seamen of WWII .My father started as a merchant seaman and was torpedoed and was picked up and taken to Canada.He then entered the Royal Navy and was torpedoed twice more and it was several days before he was picked up.My mother said he used to wake up in cold sweats having flashbacks when he saw his dead mates who he was talking to only minutes before floating past the life boat.Your're going beyond the pail now Biffa

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Is it accusing anyone's father of hating their country?

Not today. But at some point it will have been pretty viscious about someone, oh, wait, look here.

 http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/christopher-jefferies-183975#ixzz2gZbYkjJc

 

The Daily Mirror wrongly suggested that he had invaded his tenants' privacy, was associated with a convicted paedophile and might have had something to do with an unsolved murder dating back to 1974.

 

Did they do this because they were fascist sympathisers back in the day or because the papers are inhabited by utter, utter ######.

 

I'm pretty sure a google search will pull up countless stories right across the journalist spectrum.

 

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1.  No.  To serve as a MP you must swear the oath of allegiance to the Queen.  This is why the Sinn Fein MPs have not taken their seat on Parliament.

Untrue, it's because they don't recognise the parliament as having rights over NI. They didn't take their seats in the Dail for similar reasons until comparatively recently despite the ROI having no monarch.

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Not today. But at some point it will have been pretty viscious about someone, oh, wait, look here.

 http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/christopher-jefferies-183975#ixzz2gZbYkjJc

 

 

Did they do this because they were fascist sympathisers back in the day or because the papers are inhabited by utter, utter ######.

 

I'm pretty sure a google search will pull up countless stories right across the journalist spectrum.

 

 

What happened to Jefferies is a reminder of why we need Leveson.   Not just for the Mail, for all papers.

 

The support of Milliband for Leveson is one of the reasons why the Mail is so angry.

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Not today. But at some point it will have been pretty viscious about someone, oh, wait, look here.

 http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/christopher-jefferies-183975#ixzz2gZbYkjJc

 

 

Did they do this because they were fascist sympathisers back in the day or because the papers are inhabited by utter, utter ######.

 

I'm pretty sure a google search will pull up countless stories right across the journalist spectrum.

 

 

 

You're suffering from a bad case of "whataboutitis" this is characterised by answering , whenever anyone (usually with left leaning sympathies) criticises a gov't or gov't body or newspaper or political party. The symptoms are an immediate response of "yes but what about........."

 

You see we're debating the awfulness of the mail's attack on Miliband's father. I'm pretty sure the Mirror, guardian et al have been pretty nasty in the past but saying "yeah but what about....." isn't a valid debating tactic.

 

Remember at school? "Archibald, you've been very naughty"

"yeah but what about Sam?, he's been naughty too"

 

You see its just not valid is it.

 

"Hitler was horrible"

"Yeah but what about Stalin?"

 

Well yes horrible too but it doesn't somehow make Hitler less horrible does it?

 

I think I'm trying to say grow up laddie ;)

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What happened to Jefferies is a reminder of why we need Leveson. Not just for the Mail, for all papers.

The support of Milliband for Leveson is one of the reasons why the Mail is so angry.

your last sentence agrees with a post I made earlier. indeed,more or less the whole press are lined up against the crossparty royal commission proposal.

Perhaps the hysterical response of the anti-mail faction should be dressing the issue as being The Mail provoking a challenge to that.

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Anyway. the election is 18 months away.

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You're suffering from a bad case of "whataboutitis" this is characterised by answering , whenever anyone (usually with left leaning sympathies) criticises a gov't or gov't body or newspaper or political party. The symptoms are an immediate response of "yes but what about........."

You see we're debating the awfulness of the mail's attack on Miliband's father. I'm pretty sure the Mirror, guardian et al have been pretty nasty in the past but saying "yeah but what about....." isn't a valid debating tactic.

Remember at school? "Archibald, you've been very naughty"

"yeah but what about Sam?, he's been naughty too"

You see its just not valid is it.

"Hitler was horrible"

"Yeah but what about Stalin?"

Well yes horrible too but it doesn't somehow make Hitler less horrible does it?

I think I'm trying to say grow up laddie ;)

I couldn't put that any better.

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Adolf Miliband was a Belgian citizen.

He was not a serving Royal. Navy seaman

He didn't swear an oath of allegiance to the King of England

He didn't receive any medals

He was an interpreter & did not fight.

His words Asa young man were written after he fled to this country.

He did not fight for Britain! he fought for the Communist cause.

His own son has often referenced him & his beliefs as the influencing factor in his own political beliefs

It is entirely fair that his father's 'beliefs should be exposed & questioned. Marxism is a vile & oppressive ideology & it has no place in a free society.

Seeing the left froth at the duly mail is hilarious.

When I read posts like this I wonder if it is just posted by the site owners to encourage traffic, therefore gain more advertising revenue

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The discussion is about Adolf Miliband, aka Rafe then Ralph. How am I insulting anyone by doing that?

 

You're trolling, not discussing. Not just in this thread either. Trolling is against the rules of this forum. Goodbye.

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The discussion is about Adolf Miliband, aka Rafe then Ralph. How am I insulting anyone by doing that?

 

Adolphe.

 

If you're going to spew invective you might as well get the details right, eh?

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Adolphe.

 

If you're going to spew invective you might as well get the details right, eh?

 

Biffasboys has left the building. Or should I say he has been forcefully evicted from it.

 

It's not worth the time responding to any more of his pre-existing trolling.

 

Now, thread back on topic and reasonable discussion everyone, please, no matter whose side you're on.

 

Thanks.

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What happened to Jefferies is a reminder of why we need Leveson.   Not just for the Mail, for all papers.

 

The support of Milliband for Leveson is one of the reasons why the Mail is so angry.

The Mail's angry anyway.

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Biffasboys has left the building. Or should I say he has been forcefully evicted from it.

 

It's not worth the time responding to any more of his pre-existing trolling.

 

Now, thread back on topic and reasonable discussion everyone, please, no matter whose side you're on.

 

Thanks.

 

Okay.

 

That Ed Milliband, eh?

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Okay.

 

That Ed Milliband, eh?

 

His dad's bigger than your dad, so there. ;)

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Okay.

 

That Ed Milliband, eh?

I still don't really like him...  There's something very John Major about him...

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His dad's bigger than your dad, so there. ;)

My granddad would have had him in a fight though in WW2.  My granddad was a Serbian partisan and quite a scary guy in the pictures I've seen of him from the time :)

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You're suffering from a bad case of "whataboutitis" this is characterised by answering , whenever anyone (usually with left leaning sympathies) criticises a gov't or gov't body or newspaper or political party. The symptoms are an immediate response of "yes but what about........."

 

You see we're debating the awfulness of the mail's attack on Miliband's father. I'm pretty sure the Mirror, guardian et al have been pretty nasty in the past but saying "yeah but what about....." isn't a valid debating tactic.

 

Remember at school? "Archibald, you've been very naughty"

"yeah but what about Sam?, he's been naughty too"

 

You see its just not valid is it.

 

"Hitler was horrible"

"Yeah but what about Stalin?"

 

Well yes horrible too but it doesn't somehow make Hitler less horrible does it?

 

I think I'm trying to say grow up laddie ;)

Actually, it's more about the sudden realisation that newspapers are mean to people. Why the outcry now. Then it's the whole "but, but, but they supported Hitler". Yes? And? How is that relevant to today?

It's no more relevant than the Mirror being a fascist paper 80 years ago.

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I still don't really like him...  There's something very John Major about him...

 

I do kinda agree but John Major won an election.  And I really do think Cameron is looking worryingly (from a Tory perspective) weak.  He doesn't know whether to go after the Ukip 5-10% or the Labour 30-40% or the missing electorate.  He's coming across as privileged and mean in a way that he did not before the election.

 

Milliband can be outraged about the Mail, flag up a couple of policies and sit back again.  Right now, the biggest problem facing the Tory party is that it's over-run by ideologues who can't see that even if what they are doing is right they need to be a lot smarter at presenting it.

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Biffasboys has left the building. Or should I say he has been forcefully evicted from it.

It's not worth the time responding to any more of his pre-existing trolling.

Now, thread back on topic and reasonable discussion everyone, please, no matter whose side you're on.

Thanks.

Huzzah

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Biffasboys has left the building. Or should I say he has been forcefully evicted from it.

 

It's not worth the time responding to any more of his pre-existing trolling.

 

Now, thread back on topic and reasonable discussion everyone, please, no matter whose side you're on.

 

Thanks.

Probably for the best for the health of the forum, and he had had plenty of warning, but I was just starting to enjoy ignoring everything he/she posted.

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My granddad would have had him in a fight though in WW2.  My granddad was a Serbian partisan and quite a scary guy in the pictures I've seen of him from the time :)

Impressive, although that does make you a prime target for hatred, Daily Mail style.

I don't know if I can beat you, but my granddad was a Lady From Hell. Oh, and my mother's twin brother was an officer in the Royal Papua New Guinea Constabulary: one mean-looking m**********r!

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