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It's in the Daily Mail, it must be true :rolleyes:

 

Attracting migrant workers to this country is not a new or necessarily bad thing, especially if there is a skills shortage or demand for labour.

It's interesting that in the current UKBA skills shortage list is "mining engineer"...

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It's in the Daily Mail, it must be true :rolleyes:

 

Attracting migrant workers to this country is not a new or necessarily bad thing, especially if there is a skills shortage or demand for labour.

Also, it's depressing how easy it is to get a visa to work here if you're a big company who wants to cut the salary level for qualified professionals.  The trick:

- phase 1: advertise a qualified professional job through one agency for one advert at close to minimum wage, make sure that the requirements are so high that you get no genuine applicants.

- phase 2: go to the UKBA with genuine application statistics, including the seriously underqualified chancers.  They'll then rubber-stamp the visa form citing skills shortage.

- phase 3: hire a foreign national, usually someone from India, on exactly the same wage as the advert to keep UKBA happy but through an agency who claws most of that back through "compulsory" accommodation and utilities charges while putting up about 10 people in a 4 bedroom house.

- phase 4: when said foreign national gets close to the point that they can apply for permanent residency, cancel their contract and send them home.

- phase 5: check whether visa pre-approval allows for substitution and length of time.  If still valid, go to phase 3.  If not valid, go to phase 1.

 

For the largest part these days "attracting immigrant workers" usually means "here's a good way to cut our wage bill by far more than half"

 

It's even more depressing how persistent pressure on farmers to cut costs to big supermarkets means that they're even less likely to pay anywhere near minimum wage for fruit and veggie pickers.

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Also, it's depressing how easy it is to get a visa to work here if you're a big company who wants to cut the salary level for qualified professionals.  The trick:

- phase 1: advertise a qualified professional job through one agency for one advert at close to minimum wage, make sure that the requirements are so high that you get no genuine applicants.

- phase 2: go to the UKBA with genuine application statistics, including the seriously underqualified chancers.  They'll then rubber-stamp the visa form citing skills shortage.

- phase 3: hire a foreign national, usually someone from India, on exactly the same wage as the advert to keep UKBA happy but through an agency who claws most of that back through "compulsory" accommodation and utilities charges while putting up about 10 people in a 4 bedroom house.

- phase 4: when said foreign national gets close to the point that they can apply for permanent residency, cancel their contract and send them home.

- phase 5: check whether visa pre-approval allows for substitution and length of time.  If still valid, go to phase 3.  If not valid, go to phase 1.

 

For the largest part these days "attracting immigrant workers" usually means "here's a good way to cut our wage bill by far more than half"

 

It's even more depressing how persistent pressure on farmers to cut costs to big supermarkets means that they're even less likely to pay anywhere near minimum wage for fruit and veggie pickers.

This system does not only apply to qualified professionasl either, the jobs the working class did at the start of their working life have all been taken in the same way.

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Let's not have any free-thinking working class folks in the Labour Party.

:dry:

 

http://order-order.com/2013/06/04/berger-boots-out-arnie-graf-rebel/

Suspended from the party since then.

 

Since when have Councillors had any duty to be even civil to their local MP, even if the same party?  An MP isn't the leader of a local constituency association.  A fairly poor state of affairs.  I hope he just turns independent and does his best for his ward and let's hope the local residents don't just vote for a red rosette.

Edit:  a bit more detail on the story from the Huff Post.

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I bet you any money you like there's a bigger story behind that e-mail of him being a annoying person for ages .

 

 

There's being free-thinking and there's being a pain in the ######. 

Aye, that's true and there are duties and responsibilities if you accept the role of being an elected member of a political party.  The story in today's Liverpool Echo looks like he was resented by a number of people there, probably a cocky little sod who got under the skin of the established councillors, all probably at least twice his age.  He probably wouldn't just shut up and do as he was told.  The days of some Labour councillors and MPs being mavericks seems to be finally over.

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Suspended from the party since then.

 

Since when have Councillors had any duty to be even civil to their local MP, even if the same party?  An MP isn't the leader of a local constituency association.  A fairly poor state of affairs.  I hope he just turns independent and does his best for his ward and let's hope the local residents don't just vote for a red rosette.

 

You (and I) don't know what's happened.

 

It may well be that the young man is no great loss.  

 

I've personally had an interesting experience when someone in a voluntary organisation went rogue and it ended when the person concerned flounced off in a huff, much to to the relief of everyone.  That person's bizarre behaviour alienated lots of people and set the whole organisation back by two years at least.

 

A difficult person with an agenda can destroy a voluntary organisation that depends on good will in a very short space of time.  Been there, got the scars.

 

Maybe this isn't the case though.  I don't know.

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He probably wouldn't just shut up and do as he was told.  The days of some Labour councillors and MPs being mavericks seems to be finally over.

 

Being a maverick with ideas and concepts is fine, imagining you're a maverick when you're actually being a needy, destructive wit is another thing altogether.

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Being a maverick with ideas and concepts is fine, imagining you're a maverick when you're actually being a needy, destructive ######wit is another thing altogether.

I do struggle with the concept that anyone aged 18 can have enough life experience to be an effective councillor.  The range of things I've had to deal with range from truly daft to deeply troubling and life threatening, I'd have been wholly incapable of handling many of them at 30, never mind 18.

 

That said, it does seem to have been dealt with very, very poorly.  Surely the most effective way to deal with him would be to have accepted his notice that he wouldn't stand again in 2015 that he gave in April and then refuse to let him change his mind by choosing someone else for the role in advance.  That way, he'd have looked like a petulant child if he had a tantrum about them not allowing him to change his mind.  There were so many better ways to do it than have the MP appear as if she's the overbearing boss.

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I do struggle with the concept that anyone aged 18 can have enough life experience to be an effective councillor.  The range of things I've had to deal with range from truly daft to deeply troubling and life threatening, I'd have been wholly incapable of handling many of them at 30, never mind 18.

 

That said, it does seem to have been dealt with very, very poorly.  Surely the most effective way to deal with him would be to have accepted his notice that he wouldn't stand again in 2015 that he gave in April and then refuse to let him change his mind by choosing someone else for the role in advance.  That way, he'd have looked like a petulant child if he had a tantrum about them not allowing him to change his mind.  There were so many better ways to do it than have the MP appear as if she's the overbearing boss.

 

 

 

If I'm right about the situation, your calm, rational approach to the problem would get you nowhere.

 

Like I say, been there got the scars.

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I do struggle with the concept that anyone aged 18 can have enough life experience to be an effective councillor.  The range of things I've had to deal with range from truly daft to deeply troubling and life threatening, I'd have been wholly incapable of handling many of them at 30, never mind 18.

 

That said, it does seem to have been dealt with very, very poorly.  Surely the most effective way to deal with him would be to have accepted his notice that he wouldn't stand again in 2015 that he gave in April and then refuse to let him change his mind by choosing someone else for the role in advance.  That way, he'd have looked like a petulant child if he had a tantrum about them not allowing him to change his mind.  There were so many better ways to do it than have the MP appear as if she's the overbearing boss.

 

The press is unlikely to be being particular balanced in the reporting though.

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I don't see much wrong with this.  How he wants to donate to Labour is up to him.  This way he can donate substantially more for the same outlay from him.

Also, contrary to the holier-than-thou attitude being taken by the Coalition, there's absolutely nothing wrong with tax avoidance.  Is it legal?  Yes.  Is it deliberately exploiting a tax law loophole?  No.

 

In fact, if he waited until April next year then he could have made an even more tax efficient saving as that's when the Coalition's new laws on corporate share donations and gifts come into force, reducing the tax burden on such gifts.  The Chancellor can't exactly complain about this being immoral if he's changing the tax laws so that it's even more tax efficient to use, neither can he complain that it's being exploited as that's exactly why the laws are written in such a way.  If he did change the laws to equalise this tax with standard income tax rates then he'd be finding that more than a few Tory donors would be telling him to go forth and multiply.

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I think the point is that Miliband railed against other perfectly legal tax avoiders only last week. 

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I think the point is that Miliband railed against other perfectly legal tax avoiders only last week. 

 

 

Two posts, single reply:

 

What? A politician being two faced?  Never... ;)

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After leaving the Labour Party in 1994 following 12 years as an active member, I was seriously considering rejoining the party. However, todays policy announcements on welfare, the hypocritical acceptance of a tax avoiding donation, hot on the heels of Ball's unilateral decision to abandon the principle of universal benefits, I am now further away from that decision than since Blair called an illegal war. I would think there are also many members tearing up their membership cards.

How the party think that there is electoral advantage in trying to be nastier than the Tories and forgetting the reasons why their core support vote Labour is beyond me. Despite deep emotional ties to the party I'm not sure I could even stomach voting Labour at the moment. Very sad and very angry.

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After leaving the Labour Party in 1994 following 12 years as an active member, I was seriously considering rejoining the party. However, todays policy announcements on welfare, the hypocritical acceptance of a tax avoiding donation, hot on the heels of Ball's unilateral decision to abandon the principle of universal benefits, I am now further away from that decision than since Blair called an illegal war. I would think there are also many members tearing up their membership cards.How the party think that there is electoral advantage in trying to be nastier than the Tories and forgetting the reasons why their core support vote Labour is beyond me. Despite deep emotional ties to the party I'm not sure I could even stomach voting Labour at the moment. Very sad and very angry.

I totally agree. Really well put, too.

I was going to rejoin and campaign but I just feel sad and betrayed tonight. I don't know where to turn now.

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Many natural Tories dislike Cameron and the current party.

Many natural Labour people dislike the current party.

Many natural Lib Dema dislike the current party.

Too many people feel the only alternative option is a party that is only against things.

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After leaving the Labour Party in 1994 following 12 years as an active member, I was seriously considering rejoining the party. However, todays policy announcements on welfare, the hypocritical acceptance of a tax avoiding donation, hot on the heels of Ball's unilateral decision to abandon the principle of universal benefits, I am now further away from that decision than since Blair called an illegal war. I would think there are also many members tearing up their membership cards.

How the party think that there is electoral advantage in trying to be nastier than the Tories and forgetting the reasons why their core support vote Labour is beyond me. Despite deep emotional ties to the party I'm not sure I could even stomach voting Labour at the moment. Very sad and very angry.

 

I feel like that. If Labour can't offer a genuine radical alternative to this lot's nasty devisive policies, why bother having a Labour party.  I reckon Milliband and Balls have been got at by Blair.  Sooner or later people will see through the Tories' lies and vote for a restoration of the Welfare State that is being stealthily demolished. Labour should resist this with every means in their power. 

Make no mistake the Tories saw the recession as their big chance to get rid of the 1945 settlment.  The only way to control a Tory government is for Labour to propose sensible radical alternatives that get people's attention. 

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I feel like that. If Labour can't offer a genuine radical alternative to this lot's nasty devisive policies, why bother having a Labour party.  I reckon Milliband and Balls have been got at by Blair.  Sooner or later people will see through the Tories' lies and vote for a restoration of the Welfare State that is being stealthily demolished. Labour should resist this with every means in their power. 

Make no mistake the Tories saw the recession as their big chance to get rid of the 1945 settlment.  The only way to control a Tory government is for Labour to propose sensible radical alternatives that get people's attention.

Which recession?

Seriously, I'm undecided as to whether the extended economic downturn is actually down to incompetence, as many believe, or whether the Tories do see it as an opportunity to 're-engineer' British society.

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As we know, there are lots of reasons why companies might pay low tax rates.  There are very good reasons why governments might set up schemes to encourage investment by allowing companies to offset the tax, for example. 

 

There is a difference between paying low tax because you've invested a lot of capital in a new technology and you're getting tax relief, and paying low tax because you're using accounting chicanery to sell your products back to yourself from a holding company located in a filing cabinet in Belize.

 

I don't know which of these is happening here.  Probably a bit of both.

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