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Almost no consequence?

Tom Watson has obviously been made aware of the consequence in Falkirk.

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It's what the Germans would call a #######torm.   At the heart of it is really no story at all, but that doesn't mean it doesn't get all out of hand with people getting all upset and silly.

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It's what the Germans would call a #######torm.   At the heart of it is really no story at all, but that doesn't mean it doesn't get all out of hand with people getting all upset and silly.

 

It's definitely getting more 'air' time than it should of.  Unite are not backing down and seem to be escalating it if anything.

 

It's not been a great week.  Balls agreeing to the change to that date you can sign on from (to a 7 day wait), Danczuk getting slapped down by Owen Jones, and Watson resigning (again).

 

Interestingly Danczuk encompasses many of the problems in parliament, nominated in interesting circumstance, girlfriend given job as secretary (and then a councilor on top), takes tickets to sporting events from tobacco firms, questions raised on his companies liquidation, etc.

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Maybe this is a result of weak leadership

No, it's the result of a party that sold out many years ago. The takeover of Labour has been so successful that there's really nothing left in that shell of a party to make it worth voting for. There's only so long you can continue to say 'but the alternative is worse' before people realise that there is no alternative. Labour, Tory, indivisible.

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Labour have refered their report into Falkirk to the police.  That will calm things down...

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Police involved. Election rigging?

 

 

I'd dread to think so. Thank goodness we never get anything like that in Bradford.

 

;):dry: <_<

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Milliband seems so scared of the press and Tories mentioning the unions, he has ended up fighting McCluskey in public...

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Ed Miliband should be contributing to the Geekdom Beckons thread.

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It's definitely getting more 'air' time than it should of.  Unite are not backing down and seem to be escalating it if anything.

 

 

 

 

It's still a pretty small issue at core.

 

What's happening is some high quality media spinning from the Tories new man Lynton Crosby.

 

Wikipedia on him

 

"Crosby is described as favouring what is called a wedge strategy, whereby the party he advises introduces a divisive or controversial social issue into a campaign, aligning its own stance with the dissenting faction of its opponent party, with the goal of causing vitriolic debate inside the opposing party, defection of its supporters, and the legitimising of sentiment which had previously been considered inappropriate."

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It's still a pretty small issue at core.

 

What's happening is some high quality media spinning from the Tories new man Lynton Crosby.

 

Wikipedia on him

 

"Crosby is described as favouring what is called a wedge strategy, whereby the party he advises introduces a divisive or controversial social issue into a campaign, aligning its own stance with the dissenting faction of its opponent party, with the goal of causing vitriolic debate inside the opposing party, defection of its supporters, and the legitimising of sentiment which had previously been considered inappropriate."

 

Given the Tories own funding arrangements I think they have a cheek even mentioning it.  And why we ask ourselves is Grant Schapps suddenly available to do the Today programme to comment about a "scandal" in another party when he is never available to comment about scandals in his own?

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Given the Tories own funding arrangements I think they have a cheek even mentioning it.  And why we ask ourselves is Grant Schapps suddenly available to do the Today programme to comment about a "scandal" in another party when he is never available to comment about scandals in his own?

What funding arrangements?

In answer to your second part, are you suggesting that this is unique to the Tories?

Interesting to hear the Labour leader, McCluskey, decry the so called privatisation of the NHS, when his union piles pots of cash into a party that made NHS privatisation a core policy.

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It's still a pretty small issue at core.

 

What's happening is some high quality media spinning from the Tories new man Lynton Crosby.

 

Wikipedia on him

 

"Crosby is described as favouring what is called a wedge strategy, whereby the party he advises introduces a divisive or controversial social issue into a campaign, aligning its own stance with the dissenting faction of its opponent party, with the goal of causing vitriolic debate inside the opposing party, defection of its supporters, and the legitimising of sentiment which had previously been considered inappropriate."

Did they cut and paste that from every other political animal?

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What funding arrangements?

In answer to your second part, are you suggesting that this is unique to the Tories?

Interesting to hear the Labour leader, McCluskey, decry the so called privatisation of the NHS, when his union piles pots of cash into a party that made NHS privatisation a core policy.

 

Well the "Leader's Group" for  a start where if you've got the cash you can have access to Dave.  New Labour used private medicine in the NHS in order to cut waiting lists.  This lot are trying to sell off the NHS and waiting lists are increasing - believe somebody who is currently on one!

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Well the "Leader's Group" for  a start where if you've got the cash you can have access to Dave.  New Labour used private medicine in the NHS in order to cut waiting lists.  This lot are trying to sell off the NHS and waiting lists are increasing - believe somebody who is currently on one!

So, you pay some cash and get access to the prime minister. Which makes me wonder why Labour don't do it. They need all the cash they can get. Especially now Bernie Ecclestone isn't allowed to advertise cigarettes, y'know, those things that give you cancer. The Labour party putting cancer over the well being of the people. Shameful.

 

Private medicine? You mean private money? Indeed they are trying to sell off the NHS, unfortunately they're scrabbling around to find the bits the Labour party never got round to selling off. Why are Unite bleating about NHS privatisation, while bankrolling a party committed to flogging off the NHS?

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It's still a pretty small issue at core.

 

 

 

Steve

 

As Denis Healey famously said... 'When you find yourself in a hole, the first thing to do is to stop digging'.

 

This incident is going to bite Labour on the bum. Big style.

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It was a small dispute. Shenanigans go on at local party nominations all the time. It's not unique to labour either.

However, labour have managed to turn it into a much bigger story with the help of some prodding from the Tories.

How they have managed to do this to themselves shows a certain lack of judgement!

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Labour have refered their report into Falkirk to the police.  That will calm things down...

 

They did so after Tory MP Henry Smith had written to the police asking them to investigate possible criminal behaviour.

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Labour are completely out of touch with public feeling. They had the absolute cheek to put Harriet Harman on the Marr Show to say that, although there was malpractice in Falkirk, it is not typical of the Labour Party. The really disappointing think is the gutless BBC didn't get Sophie Raworth how Harman's own husband got nominated as a candidate.

 

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2010/feb/05/jack-dromey-sion-simon-labour-erdington

 

 

I hope Unite gets done for fraud.

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Miliband has a golden opportunity to come out of smelling of roses, securing victory at the next election. However, I doubt his capability to do that.

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Miliband has a golden opportunity to come out of smelling of roses, securing victory at the next election. However, I doubt his capability to do that.

You think? I'm almost certain that there's no way in Hell he'll ever be PM.

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Oh that would be terrible.He'd get straight on the phone to his Mam and start sobbing uncontrollably.

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Oh dear :D

 

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He doesn't look happy. As someone else said, it's as though he's realised that this is his opportunity to take them both out, but he's not carrying a weapon!

Or Alex is saying to Dave "There may be doubts about Ed's politics, but when it comes to self-gratification he is definitely a man of the left!" ;)

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