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Will they Ever Get it? MPs Still way out of touch

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Out of touch MPs, less than a week after the UKIP surge in the local elections call for cheaper alcohol in Commons

 

They need to understand that they need to be seen holding a pint of beer *in a pub* not the Commons bar.  That's the Farage way.

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Surely they have the solution in their own hands. Don't they (or some of them) set the level of duty imposed on alcohol. They should be made to suffer the consequences of their actions as much as the rest of us have to suffer the consequences of their actions.

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Prices linked and kept below the local 'spoons? 

 

Am i the only one hoping Witherspoons start charging £500 a pint in that pub? 

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Also, for most people drinking on the job is not allowed and in many cases is a sacking offence. What are they doing with a work place bar (subsidised by us) in the first place?

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Also, for most people drinking on the job is not allowed and in many cases is a sacking offence. What are they doing with a work place bar (subsidised by us) in the first place?

 

Good point. 

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Also, for most people drinking on the job is not allowed and in many cases is a sacking offence. What are they doing with a work place bar (subsidised by us) in the first place?

 

Typical  Lancastrian. A miserable whinge, driven by jealousy and an absence of lateral thinking.

 

You should be more like Yorkshire folk and adopt a pragmatic approach ... start a campaign to get a workers' bar put in by the management of your firm.

 

;):D

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Typical  Lancastrian. A miserable whinge, driven by jealousy and an absence of lateral thinking.

 

You should be more like Yorkshire folk and adopt a pragmatic approach ... start a campaign to get a workers' bar put in by the management of your firm.

 

;):D

 

The management (at the top level) of my firm are French. So I don't know where that leaves me?

 

BTW, I went to IBM in Montpelier for a seminar last year. They served wine and beer with the buffet lunch there. The same would be unthinkable in this country.

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Also, for most people drinking on the job is not allowed and in many cases is a sacking offence. What are they doing with a work place bar (subsidised by us) in the first place?

At the end of every one of my projects I have a post-project party, the greatest majority of companies I've worked for in London allow a couple of beers in the office for it before we go to the pub.  Most insist on going to the canteen but it's surprising how many are very tolerant about beers in the general office.  Those who refuse tends to be companies where the IT director is a friendless goon or the facilities people are expressing their only means of power.

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Also, for most people drinking on the job is not allowed and in many cases is a sacking offence. What are they doing with a work place bar (subsidised by us) in the first place?

I've not worked anywhere with a blanket ban on drinking - a couple of places with immediate dismissal for being even tipsy at work though.

 

Currently I work a lot with doctors.  The idea of a lunch meeting without wine would be unthinkable.

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It's  certainly true that fewer people routinely go for a drink and a snack in a pub at dinnertime. I think that's down to the proliferation of flexitime working.

 

 

 

To be honest, I don't like to see people drinking at work and, when I was employee, never did it. Nobody wants to smell secondhand beer on a colleague's breath.

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I once went into the Strangers' Bar in the afternoon which was packed and the beer flowing freely. 

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Another issue with the commons bars is the anti-social behavior that goes on in these places.

 

I mean, Falkirk MP Eric Joyce is due to be in a full half hour episode of Street Crime CCTV Drunks UK. 

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Another issue with the commons bars is the anti-social behavior that goes on in these places.

 

I mean, Falkirk MP Eric Joyce is due to be in a full half hour episode of Street Crime CCTV Drunks UK

 

Not that the show involves any element of racial stereotyping or anything.

;):D

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If they want paying in line with "comparable" professions, then let's see evidence of professional standard qualifications (a qualified accountant for example holds a Masters comparable level qualification) plus evidence of previous experience and knowledge that makes them suitable for the role. Do we have all that in most cases? Thought not...

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If they want paying in line with "comparable" professions, then let's see evidence of professional standard qualifications (a qualified accountant for example holds a Masters comparable level qualification) plus evidence of previous experience and knowledge that makes them suitable for the role. Do we have all that in most cases? Thought not...

 

By that argument my colleagues and I could perhaps demand much more than I am currently on (although I wouldn't). I would also expect that many MPs have masters degrees and above.

 

I don't believe an MP should be on a wage as high as they could perhaps receive in another position. A politician should want to become an MP through the desire to serve their country/constituency after they have experience in alternate employment as opposed to the route favoured by Cameron, Osbourne, Milliband et al. 

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If they want paying in line with "comparable" professions, then let's see evidence of professional standard qualifications (a qualified accountant for example holds a Masters comparable level qualification) plus evidence of previous experience and knowledge that makes them suitable for the role. Do we have all that in most cases? Thought not...

A newly qualified lawyer at one of the top 5 law firms in the UK earns more than an MP, often earning well over £80k within days of finishing their training.  Some of the US firms pay even more for London based newly qualifieds to tempt them away from the big UK names.

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I would also expect that many MPs have masters degrees and above.

To be fair, I expect more do today than ever before, in the main because politics is becoming a career in itself, rather than something that people turned to later in life.

 

Rightly or wrongly, and realising that life isn't always that simple, my view with politicians is the same as with any other profession; if you don't like the T&Cs then go and do something different!

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Maybe all first entry MPs should be on £20k, each time you get voted back in you get a pay rise and in the interim each year your electorate should vote as to whether you are worth a pay rise or not.

 

So you start on 20k, you can have 1k pay year more if the public you serve think you are worth it., If you survive a reelection you get the full whack of what you would have got given a rise every year.

 

If you get a cabinet job you only get your basic, that you have earned, plus a fixed top up for being in the cabinet.

 

There is of course an obvious flaw in this system.

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Maybe all first entry MPs should be on £20k, each time you get voted back in you get a pay rise and in the interim each year your electorate should vote as to whether you are worth a pay rise or not.

 

So you start on 20k, you can have 1k pay year more if the public you serve think you are worth it., If you survive a reelection you get the full whack of what you would have got given a rise every year.

 

If you get a cabinet job you only get your basic, that you have earned, plus a fixed top up for being in the cabinet.

 

There is of course an obvious flaw in this system.

I think that there should be a random draw in each constituency of all eligible voters and the "lucky" winner should be given the job of MP whether they want it or not.  They aren't allowed to earn at all and their family are strictly scrutinised to ensure that there is no undue tampering, e.g. a major company employing the wife/husband as a £2m per year "assistant" to "help" the MP decide on critical votes.  They get a quite nice taxpayer funded house and moderately good living expenses.  At the end of the Parliamentary term, there's a vote where a positive overall vote gets the departing MP a very healthy payout as a reward, a negative overall vote gets you booted out with nothing.  One term only.

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According to Guido Fawkes Harriet Harman is trying to secure a parliamentary candidacy for Tracy Ullman's daughter, one of her former assistants.

 

Hmm, the daughter of a millionaire Harley St surgeon and the American-raised daughter of millionaires in the entertainment industry.

 

Two salt-of-the-earth working class types together.

 

Mind you Harriet Harmon's husband must be a brilliant politician; only elected to Parliament in 2010 and already he's the Shadow Local Government and Communities Minister.

 

:dry: <_<

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