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Marwan Koukash - Set to ignore the salary cap!

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 Rich ! From a Wigan follower the very club that breached the salary cap when Noble was coach and they avoided relegation after signing Fielden at a then world record and where the 'I'm all right Jack' attitude still exists.http://www.wigantoday.net/sport/wigan-warriors/lenegan-don-t-lift-salary-cap-1-5625250

 

  Not a very nice attitude after the RFL did all it could to assist your club just a short time ago.

  Dr Koukash has made his feelings known as an outsider after entering the sport.The chairman at St Helens who made his wealth through banking also wishes the salary cap was raised.As the RFL seem reluctant to express their deliberations to a wider public it would seem Dr Koukash has a low patience threshold.

 As Dr Koukash has made a lot of money in more than one area,he is probably far more qualified and knowledgeable than any number of detractors and is wanting to raise the profile of the sport and encourage more investment.

  About time someone with some business savvy got involved.I cannot see a queue of players forming,to complain,any time soon.

First swing and a miss came with VW, he's very, very much a Widnes fan. Very.

 

Me. What the RFL did for Bradford is of much deliberation, but it was an off the field decision, and that has been churned over many times. Fans still dislike us for it. Clubs also helped us out when we needed it and got special treatment. Doesn't mean to say I agree with him openly saying he'll cheat. Nor did I when we broke the cap. Anyway, Koukash has made his bed, and probably won't make many friends now he's ratted out the big clubs. As we all know in business, it's not what you know, it's who. He has made a lot of money, although probably isn't the richest in SL, and he doesn't half like to shout about it too, perhaps if he invested it in boosting crowds and infrastructure then he might get somewhere. All the sugar-daddies - even though from day one he said he wasn't one, that changed quickly - are business savvy, and they've worked out how to get away with things.

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The last thing we want or need in RL is people who want to rock the boat or see it as worthy of aspiration.

Get back to me when he does something for the good of the game rather than the good of his ego.

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Get back to me when he does something for the good of the game rather than the good of his ego.

What exactly does he owe RL? He's putting his money where his mouth is, he's entitled to mouth off.

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The last thing we want or need in RL is people who want to rock the boat or see it as worthy of aspiration.

Come on John that's not a fair comment. 

 

What next? Him deciding that it's his right to have faster and bigger players so he will pump them with steroids and ignore those rules too?

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Come on John that's not a fair comment. 

 

What next? Him deciding that it's his right to have faster and bigger players so he will pump them with steroids and ignore those rules too?

He's already tried playing with 14 men.

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Dave, it sometimes takes something like this to stir up the cosy boys gang that seem to have settled into Red Hall. Nothing wrong with a bit of controversy sometimes, I'm sure he is no mug and not so green as to tell about something wrong he might do.

Besides, he's only saying what actually happens.

Is he? 

 

My understanding is there has been quite a radical discussion on the table for the last few weeks around the future of the game - just because he is not happy with the outcome (that the clubs voted on) then that's his issue.

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He's already tried playing with 14 men.

:lol:

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“I’ve come in thinking, ’If I spend the full cap I’ll have a sporting chance of landing a trophy or two’.

"But really when you sit down and think, ’What sort of team can you build with the £1.8m cap?’ and it’s not much.”

“What’s the fun for me if I spend the full cap, which I’m close to this year already, and you still go to places like Wigan and get hammered like we did?

You can spend 3 times the cap and still get hammered, it all depends on who you spend the money on

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Come on John that's not a fair comment.

What next? Him deciding that it's his right to have faster and bigger players so he will pump them with steroids and ignore those rules too?

Maybe he just looks around and wonders how some clubs get away with doing a b & c when others don't? Maybe he just wants the best for Salford and isn't prepared to sit back and die wondering?

Whatever, IMO it makes a change to see a chairman of a lower club kicking off and wanting the best for them. I'm sure he'll calm down in time.

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Maybe he's confused by the fact that some clubs have higher salary caps than others (due to having brought through international players and/or london weighting)

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Good on him, the cap definitely needs a good bump upwards. 

 

I reckon 50% of the current SL clubs could afford to spend full cap if it went up to £2.5 or £3m. They might not want to but then that is their decision.

 

People moan about RL falling behind RU in this country, well one way to reverse that trend is to get some high profile code crossers. But given the average Aviva Premiership back earns north of £80k per annum, with the better players on at least double that it's not going to happen anytime soon with the cap restrictions.

 

Ben Foden, England RU international would be fantastic in RL. So would George North, Wales RU international. And a fair few others. If the money was available they would come. 

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I'm stunned that anybody thinks these are good quotes. 

 

He is basically saying he will cheat and commit fraud within the competition. TBH, that is the kind of thing that should see a person banned from being deemed not a fit and proper person to run a club.

 

It's actually outrageous.

Absolutely spot on

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Most on here are missing the big picture.

 

Are those - so vehemently against MK`s comments - satisfied with the way the game is going? - satisfied that the very top players are actually coming into RL? etc etc

 

Moyes is on £80k a week whilst at Everton.   So lets say Salford amass 30 players @ £ 60k pa  the current salary cap is hit.   Is that the quality we need in this game?

 

We must start to appeal to people who want to see excitement and quality and until the Cap is abolished the game will not made inroads.

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Good on him, the cap definitely needs a good bump upwards. 

 

I reckon 50% of the current SL clubs could afford to spend full cap if it went up to £2.5 or £3m. They might not want to but then that is their decision.

 

People moan about RL falling behind RU in this country, well one way to reverse that trend is to get some high profile code crossers. But given the average Aviva Premiership back earns north of £80k per annum, with the better players on at least double that it's not going to happen anytime soon with the cap restrictions.

 

Ben Foden, England RU international would be fantastic in RL. So would George North, Wales RU international. And a fair few others. If the money was available they would come. 

Mentioned on another thread, margquee players, union players salary don't count onf the cap for two years, I think, I posted it but my memory is a bit bleary!

 

Seperately, this is a bit of a slap in the face of the RFL - which they may need - but it was Wood who introduced him to the game and told him explicitely about Salford's troubles. They then allowed him to complete the take-over.

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First swing and a miss came with VW, he's very, very much a Widnes fan. Very.

 

Me. What the RFL did for Bradford is of much deliberation, but it was an off the field decision, and that has been churned over many times. Fans still dislike us for it. Clubs also helped us out when we needed it and got special treatment. Doesn't mean to say I agree with him openly saying he'll cheat. Nor did I when we broke the cap. Anyway, Koukash has made his bed, and probably won't make many friends now he's ratted out the big clubs. As we all know in business, it's not what you know, it's who. He has made a lot of money, although probably isn't the richest in SL, and he doesn't half like to shout about it too, perhaps if he invested it in boosting crowds and infrastructure then he might get somewhere. All the sugar-daddies - even though from day one he said he wasn't one, that changed quickly - are business savvy, and they've worked out how to get away with things.

 

Maybe he just thinks certain chairmen are being very hypocritical in saying one thing in public and doing a very different thing in private, and is calling them for that?

 

If there are clubs flaunting the cap with creative solutions because the cap is too low, why can't the sport just be transparent and say the cap needs raising?

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Maybe he just looks around and wonders how some clubs get away with doing a b & c when others don't? Maybe he just wants the best for Salford and isn't prepared to sit back and die wondering?

Whatever, IMO it makes a change to see a chairman of a lower club kicking off and wanting the best for them. I'm sure he'll calm down in time.

Are clubs getting away with it? I'm sure it's very very easy to do a quick check to see if Wigan, Warrington or Leeds have any players wives working for one of their sponsor's companies.

 

I'm also interested in his point that he is pretty much paying to the full cap already this year. If that is the case they are either paying well over the odds already, or it is clear that the top clubs ignore the cap.

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I'd rather he shouted about it rather than kept it quiet if I'm honest. Good on him IMO. No investor can currently get his side into the top 4 with the current cap I'm afraid. Fev go on about spending full cap if they get into SL yet they'll be lucky to break into the top 8 even if they do so.

Maybe the top clubs don't want a rise in salary cap because if it stays at 1.8m they have a better chance to stay at the top.

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Most on here are missing the big picture.

 

Are those - so vehemently against MK`s comments - satisfied with the way the game is going? - satisfied that the very top players are actually coming into RL? etc etc

 

Moyes is on £80k a week whilst at Everton.   So lets say Salford amass 30 players @ £ 60k pa  the current salary cap is hit.   Is that the quality we need in this game?

 

We must start to appeal to people who want to see excitement and quality and until the Cap is abolished the game will not made inroads.

Not really sure of your point. Football has a billion pound contract and sponsors coming out of its ears so their players and managers can be paid more.

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Are clubs getting away with it? I'm sure it's very very easy to do a quick check to see if Wigan, Warrington or Leeds have any players wives working for one of their sponsor's companies.

 

I'm also interested in his point that he is pretty much paying to the full cap already this year. If that is the case they are either paying well over the odds already, or it is clear that the top clubs ignore the cap.

Sinfield has said that a lot of the Leeds players could earn more moving to other clubs, but they'll stay on a slightly lower salary because of the culture at the club and the opportunity to win things. I'm sure the same can be said of players at Wigan/Wire etc.

 

So spending the salary cap won't necessarily get you players that are as good as another club that pays the full cap (look at London for example)

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Are clubs getting away with it? I'm sure it's very very easy to do a quick check to see if Wigan, Warrington or Leeds have any players wives working for one of their sponsor's companies.

Dave, businesses are always one step ahead of the authorities when it comes to declaring incomes or avoiding paying their full whack. I'm pretty sure the guys involved in our top RL clubs are no different.

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Mentioned on another thread, margquee players, union players salary don't count onf the cap for two years, I think, I posted it but my memory is a bit bleary!

 

Seperately, this is a bit of a slap in the face of the RFL - which they may need - but it was Wood who introduced him to the game and told him explicitely about Salford's troubles. They then allowed him to complete the take-over.

 

I am all in favour of a marquee player allowance in RL.

 

Let's be clear though that in the Aviva Premiership there is only 1 marquee player (MP) per club and that there are a number of restrictions governing the application of the allowance in regard to English players.

 

For example, Newcastle RU are likely to be promoted back to the Aviva for next season. Let's imagine they want a new fly half/ stand off. The Falcons could sign All Black maestro Dan Carter, register him as their marquee player on a £2m pa contract, pay him that amount from day 1 and still have the full £4.3m cap for the rest of their squad. So their effective cap is £6.3m.

 

However, if they wanted to sign say Owen Farrell from Saracens, they would have to wait 2 years before they could register him as their marquee player. They could pay him £2m pa from day 1 but this would count on the cap. This measure is designed to stop clubs raiding each other for English players.

 

Obviously there could be issues about the exact identity of the marquee player and other squad members feeling hard done by so I think most Premiership clubs keep their marquee player's identity underwraps. Bath I think went public on the fact All Black McDonald was their MP but by all accounts he was a flop (Bath are loaded though so wouldn't have been an issue). It is probably fair to assume that Gavin Henson was London Welsh's MP, and that Danny Cirpriani would be Sale's MP.

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He is outspoken because he wants to keep the topic on the agenda ,

It's not surprise the SL clubs who voted for no change in the cap are the ones who are benefitting most from the current arrangement...

 

the quote about overspending the cap initially is not a new one , he annouced this in his 1st interview in January .

 

Is it about being honest about how finances are actually handled in SL , or about knowing ' your place ' in the SL pecking order ?

 

Salford City Reds' owner says he'll simply mirror what other clubs have done to work around the Super League's salary cap rules

 

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With Brian Noble - Ed Farish & Andrew Chalmers he'll be well appraised how ' things are done ' , isn't it he is actually being the most candid about what is going on ?

 

He'd  have to go some to bring a sport so mis mangaged by it's own authorities into disrepute ..

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Dave, it sometimes takes something like this to stir up the cosy boys gang that seem to have settled into Red Hall. Nothing wrong with a bit of controversy sometimes, I'm sure he is no mug and not so green as to tell about something wrong he might do.

Besides, he's only saying what actually happens.

 I think thats what he might be trying to do, stir the hornets nest so to speak, rattle a few cages, and see where it gets him!

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totally agree with hindle and brooza flagrant disregard for the rules of the game will bring anarchy and koukash is being an absolute prat spouting that he will break the salary cap, perhaps he should break the cap and sign a few thousand more supporters for the club..............

If what he says is true, there already is a 'flagrant disregard for the rules.' It's just being restricted to a small cartel.

At least he's being honest.

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I think thats what he might be trying to do, stir the hornets nest so to speak, rattle a few cages, and see where it gets him!

So far: nowhere.

The salary cap has not been raised, Salford have not been exempted from the cap ...

Meanwhile Salford's average crowd has dropped from 5,431 last season to 3,285 this.

What a brilliant mind the good doctor is.

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