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Marwan Koukash - Set to ignore the salary cap!

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So far: nowhere.

The salary cap has not been raised, Salford have not been exempted from the cap ...

Meanwhile Salford's average crowd has dropped from 5,431 last season to 3,285 this.

What a brilliant mind the good doctor is.

Had he not taken over what would have happened? Would crowds magically have grown?

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If Scott Prince had signed for Hull his dog was getting a £250k kennel built ;):D

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Sinfield has said that a lot of the Leeds players could earn more moving to other clubs, but they'll stay on a slightly lower salary because of the culture at the club and the opportunity to win things. I'm sure the same can be said of players at Wigan/Wire etc.

 

So spending the salary cap won't necessarily get you players that are as good as another club that pays the full cap (look at London for example)

This is exactly why the cap doesn't work. The bigger clubs will stay the bigger clubs as the only way the up and coming clubs (think man city in football) can compete is by offering big wages.

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So far: nowhere.

The salary cap has not been raised, Salford have not been exempted from the cap ...

Meanwhile Salford's average crowd has dropped from 5,431 last season to 3,285 this.

What a brilliant mind the good doctor is.

 

He has signed Darrell Griffin though.

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and this type of announcement is the reason we should never return to P&R people like koukash would willingly break the rules to keep their club in the top flight.

 ** polite cough **

                            As I mistook you for a Wigan follower the first time,I must stress that for a Widnes follower to mention promotion and relegation after you lot cried sufficiently to form a sea when Crusaders were promoted,and the salary cap has failed in not only its objectives but in the way it has been policed,the criticism of Dr Koukash is wholly wrong.

The coverage for/and of Salford in the press,and on forums,is pretty impressive.

As you NOW do not want to return to promotion and relegation demonstrates the hypocrisy of a Widnes follower now that you have a rich owner and one who seems to have got his own way with the RFL,for reasons not made public.

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So far: nowhere.

The salary cap has not been raised, Salford have not been exempted from the cap ...

Meanwhile Salford's average crowd has dropped from 5,431 last season to 3,285 this.

What a brilliant mind the good doctor is.

You are hardly a 'brilliant mind' yourself if you think Dr K has anything to do with the fall in crowds at Salford this year. Really silly point.

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So far: nowhere.

The salary cap has not been raised, Salford have not been exempted from the cap ...

Meanwhile Salford's average crowd has dropped from 5,431 last season to 3,285 this.

What a brilliant mind the good doctor is.

 

My word Ginge you do not like him do you?   Give it a rest.  As for Salford - we are very lucky to have had hime in the first place - we had no chance of competing this season as our squad was decimated and all our decent players `cherry picked`.   Compare our crowds NEXT season and then I would be happy to debate with you.

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Before I catch up, I did wonder; if this was to help bring about change then I'd be all for it, except it isn't, he opens by saying he asked for a dispensation for Salford. That was refused so now he's taken this tactic.

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My word Ginge you do not like him do you?   Give it a rest.  As for Salford - we are very lucky to have had hime in the first place - we had no chance of competing this season as our squad was decimated and all our decent players `cherry picked`.   Compare our crowds NEXT season and then I would be happy to debate with you.

If he's still around next season then I'll be happy to debate with you too. It's not that I don't like him it's just that beyond waving a cheque book around and yelling I've not seen anything to back up this idea of a shrewd man who's going to turn Salford into a powerhouse. The fact that crowds have plunged is significant to my mind because if the noises coming out of the club were positive rather than an owner shouting about how little respect he has for the competition then the combination of new ground and new investment should have led to at least a plateau from last season.

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If what he says is true, there already is a 'flagrant disregard for the rules.' It's just being restricted to a small cartel.

At least he's being honest.

It's a big if. How would he know that the big clubs are breaking the cap?

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Rich ! From a Wigan follower the very club that breached the salary cap when Noble was coach and they avoided relegation after signing Fielden at a then world record and where the 'I'm all right Jack' attitude still exists.http://www.wigantoday.net/sport/wigan-warriors/lenegan-don-t-lift-salary-cap-1-5625250

 

  Not a very nice attitude after the RFL did all it could to assist your club just a short time ago.

  Dr Koukash has made his feelings known as an outsider after entering the sport.The chairman at St Helens who made his wealth through banking also wishes the salary cap was raised.As the RFL seem reluctant to express their deliberations to a wider public it would seem Dr Koukash has a low patience threshold.

 As Dr Koukash has made a lot of money in more than one area,he is probably far more qualified and knowledgeable than any number of detractors and is wanting to raise the profile of the sport and encourage more investment.

  About time someone with some business savvy got involved.I cannot see a queue of players forming,to complain,any time soon.

wigan follower me??? i think the first part of my user name should give you a clue as to who i support!!!!

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You are hardly a 'brilliant mind' yourself if you think Dr K has anything to do with the fall in crowds at Salford this year. Really silly point.

Oddly one of the points made by some on here in his favour when he first started banging on was that 'all publicity is good publicity' and this dynamic approach would have them flocking to the City of Salford Stadium.

Hasn't happened. And I'm not aware that the new owner has done anything to try and get people into the habit of seeing Salford play (but then as I'm not local maybe he has been and he's just really unlucky).

Doing down the competition, shouting about how your club needs special treatment or it will be uncompetitive and then announcing that you're going to break the rules anyway ... exactly how is this building a sustainable club or one that people will support?

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At least he's being honest,unlike the other clubs that have broken the salary cap.Good on him,I say.

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At least he's being honest,unlike the other clubs that have broken the salary cap.Good on him,I say.

It's always good to handicap your team. It'll be awesome for Salford when the points deduction is applied next season and impacts the team that they've actually managed to recruit rather than this season's patchwork version.

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My word Ginge you do not like him do you?   Give it a rest.  As for Salford - we are very lucky to have had hime in the first place - we had no chance of competing this season as our squad was decimated and all our decent players `cherry picked`.   Compare our crowds NEXT season and then I would be happy to debate with you.

Salford are lucky to have him, and rugby league is also lucky to have his money. But if he does get found out and Salford are docked points for overspending the salary cap* time and time again until he gets his way, he might get fed up and walk, which really would be bad. It's almost as if Salford are a pawn in this.

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* however clubs are supposed to be punished by breaking the cap these days, since it went live miraculously everyone has fallen in line and no sanctions have been placed.

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It's always good to handicap your team. It'll be awesome for Salford when the points deduction is applied next season and impacts the team that they've actually managed to recruit rather than this season's patchwork version.

Meh.

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At least he's being honest,unlike the other clubs that have broken the salary cap.Good on him,I say.

True, but on here some posters know where to look online to find streaming of live games, whether they are legitimate websites or not...

 

However, we're not allowed to post them on here. Slightly convoluted point but what I mean is the powers that be won't allow it, even though it happens.

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** polite cough **

                            As I mistook you for a Wigan follower the first time,I must stress that for a Widnes follower to mention promotion and relegation after you lot cried sufficiently to form a sea when Crusaders were promoted,and the salary cap has failed in not only its objectives but in the way it has been policed,the criticism of Dr Koukash is wholly wrong.

The coverage for/and of Salford in the press,and on forums,is pretty impressive.

As you NOW do not want to return to promotion and relegation demonstrates the hypocrisy of a Widnes follower now that you have a rich owner and one who seems to have got his own way with the RFL,for reasons not made public.

no hypocrisy from me, i never agreed with the slipshod way in which the promoted team were given around 3 months to build a team worthy of competing in the top flight, licensing has given every team that opportunity which was only afforded to catalans before the license structure was introduced.

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Oddly one of the points made by some on here in his favour when he first started banging on was that 'all publicity is good publicity' and this dynamic approach would have them flocking to the City of Salford Stadium.

Hasn't happened. And I'm not aware that the new owner has done anything to try and get people into the habit of seeing Salford play (but then as I'm not local maybe he has been and he's just really unlucky).

Doing down the competition, shouting about how your club needs special treatment or it will be uncompetitive and then announcing that you're going to break the rules anyway ... exactly how is this building a sustainable club or one that people will support?

Oh Lordy, do you really think having an outspoken chairman is likely to have any bearing on attendance? Did you actually type that with a straight face?

If that was so, maybe London need to bring in Nigel Farage as chairman.

What Koukash has actually done is simple: he's made it clear that the tolerance of mediocrity and ineptitude is a thing of the past.

However, he's also realised that the current status quo makes it virtually impossible to break up the ruling cartel, so he's essentially making provocative statements to challenge conventional thinking and, hopefully, force the RFL to respond.

If you really think he's saying these things to build crowds or to somehow drop the club in it, then you need to have a long lie down.

He's rattling cages and awaiting a response. Nothing more.

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Oh Lordy, do you really think having an outspoken chairman is likely to have any bearing on attendance? Did you actually type that with a straight face?

If that was so, maybe London need to bring in Nigel Farage as chairman.

What Koukash has actually done is simple: he's made it clear that the tolerance of mediocrity and ineptitude is a thing of the past.

However, he's also realised that the current status quo makes it virtually impossible to break up the ruling cartel, so he's essentially making provocative statements to challenge conventional thinking and, hopefully, force the RFL to respond.

If you really think he's saying these things to build crowds or to somehow drop the club in it, then you need to have a long lie down.

He's rattling cages and awaiting a response. Nothing more.

Oddly, I don't think having an outspoken chairman increases attendances. I think the exact opposite. I think it harms attendances. That's why I drew attention to them virtually halving back to Willows levels since the Doctor took over. I'm aware of all the other issues but do think that a smart Chairman, particularly a wealthy one, would be working damn hard to get the fanbase back and I'm not aware that he is.

I know he's rattling cages and awaiting a response. He's done it regularly since arriving. And on every point he has been ignored. If it's a tactic, it's not working.

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He's rattling cages and awaiting a response. Nothing more.

To what end though? His opening gambit was to have a Salford salary cap dispensation. Which was rejected so he'll do what the rest do. I doesn't seem to me like it was a move to bring about change in the league, he's openly admitted he likes winning and in turn wants Salford to win things from near enough the off, he'll do this by whatever means he thinks he can.

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i remember the last person who came to that area making all kinds of wild statements and promises....michael knighton anyone??

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Oddly, I don't think having an outspoken chairman increases attendances. I think the exact opposite. I think it harms attendances. That's why I drew attention to them virtually halving back to Willows levels since the Doctor took over. I'm aware of all the other issues but do think that a smart Chairman, particularly a wealthy one, would be working damn hard to get the fanbase back and I'm not aware that he is.

I know he's rattling cages and awaiting a response. He's done it regularly since arriving. And on every point he has been ignored. If it's a tactic, it's not working.

You're points about crowds "virtually halving back to Willows levels since the Doctor took over" show a real lack of factual awareness. So it's really not worth having a debate.

You've got an issue with the doctor and are happy to disregard the facts in order to promote your argument. Fine, go for it.

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You've got an issue with the doctor

And his cheerleaders.

But, believe me, if I am wrong and he creates a stable, winning and well-supported team in Salford there won't be many happier than me.

I'll even come on here and say I was wrong.

For now though, all I can see is bluster.

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