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London Broncos to move in with Barnet FC?

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Nicely located for people travelling from the north too. Stanmore tube has a big car park and is just minutes from J4 of the M1. From there, it's only a couple of stops on the tube.

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The only downside surely is that capacity. There can't be any long-term future if we're going to call a 5,600 capacity venue 'home'.

That's Warringtons traveling army sorted weres the home support going to go ?

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as we all know the licensing system is almost certainly being chucked there's not much point worrying about ground capacity

Just to be clear, all plans being discussed are to bring about "the restoration of promotion and relegation, within a framework of minimum facility and financial sustainability standards." Quote from the RFL statement on the current proposals. Which is what we had before licensing too. And after the London Welsh situation the RFL will not be able to make exemptions for the Broncos as a legal precedent has been set.

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They should have bagsied the Olympic Stadium.

Maybe they should've gone for the hockey arena

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I still feel the target must be for the RFL and Broncos to purchase New River Stadium and the surrounding fields for a future home in the capital rugby league can call its own.

I've always hoped this would happen but RL unfortunately isn't cash rich

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Are Broncos going to have to start considering the fact that they won't be protected from relegation, if one of the new proposed structures go ahead?

A 5K stadium might become more than enough if the league goes to 10 or 12...

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A 5K stadium might become more than enough if the league goes to 10 or 12...

 

A 5K stadium would seem cavernous for them in their current division :-(

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Just to be clear, all plans being discussed are to bring about "the restoration of promotion and relegation, within a framework of minimum facility and financial sustainability standards." Quote from the RFL statement on the current proposals. Which is what we had before licensing too. And after the London Welsh situation the RFL will not be able to make exemptions for the Broncos as a legal precedent has been set.

 

Just to be clear, an appeal panel set up by the RFU does not set legal precedent. It certainly does not have jurisdiction over the game of rugby league.

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I've always hoped this would happen but RL unfortunately isn't cash rich

 

it wont cost much cash. The local gov' are pretty much happy to give it away. Purchase on the cheap and then secure investment over the next few years to build

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Just to be clear, all plans being discussed are to bring about "the restoration of promotion and relegation, within a framework of minimum facility and financial sustainability standards." Quote from the RFL statement on the current proposals. Which is what we had before licensing too. And after the London Welsh situation the RFL will not be able to make exemptions for the Broncos as a legal precedent has been set.

 

The rules can stipulate that Broncos are exempt from relegation. there is nothing illegal about that

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it wont cost much cash. The local gov' are pretty much happy to give it away. Purchase on the cheap and then secure investment over the next few years to build

I'd love to see it happen and it appears that Hector McNeil is in favour of creating a London Rugby League hub too.

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A 5K stadium would seem cavernous for them in their current division :-(

 

Quite. They had a crowd of 1200 against a top half SL club with a quarter final cup spot at stake last night.

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Just to be clear, an appeal panel set up by the RFU does not set legal precedent. It certainly does not have jurisdiction over the game of rugby league.

 

I thought London Welsh took the RFU to court and won a legal victory there, in which case, it would be a legal precedent that could be quoted in any similar situation arising in RL.

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Quite. They had a crowd of 1200 against a top half SL club with a quarter final cup spot at stake last night.

Its safe to say crowds will improve once the club moves away from RU HQ and relegation comes back.

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I'd love to see it happen and it appears that Hector McNeil is in favour of creating a London Rugby League hub too.

 

Does anyone have any information about a possible asking price because, as I understand it there are 40 acres with revenue producing rents from athletics and RU clubs. If it could be done it could be a triple facility for Broncos, Skolars and the RFL for an international team and cup final team training base.

 

I agree it would be a dream scenario for league in the Capital but the cost , as always, is the key.

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I thought London Welsh took the RFU to court and won a legal victory there, in which case, it would be a legal precedent that could be quoted in any similar situation arising in RL.

 

You can think that but it simply isn't true

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You can think that but it simply isn't true

Why Jeff? What about the Bosman ruling? This had a profound impact on soccer and RL

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I thought London Welsh took the RFU to court and won a legal victory there, in which case, it would be a legal precedent that could be quoted in any similar situation arising in RL.

Just to be clear, so did I! Methven Hornet was correct though, an RFU appeals panel sided with them before it needed to get to that point.

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You can think that but it simply isn't true

 

The decision re London Welsh was made by an INDEPENDENT panel consisting of three QCs.

 

It has been commented on thus " The COURTS and independent panels will be prepared to overturn decisions impacting on promotion and relegation". Source Littleton Chambers.com. 19.7.2012

 

     The question I have therefore is, can judgements made by eminent lawyers ( QCs) seated on independent tribunals or boards of enquiry be cited in court cases in regards to precedents ?

 

If not, then I stand corrected as the judgement was not a court of law but an Independent panel.

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The decision re London Welsh was made by an INDEPENDENT panel consisting of three QCs.

It has been commented on thus " The COURTS and independent panels will be prepared to overturn decisions impacting on promotion and relegation". Source Littleton Chambers.com. 19.7.2012

The question I have therefore is, can judgements made by eminent lawyers ( QCs) seated on independent tribunals or boards of enquiry be cited in court cases in regards to precedents ?

If not, then I stand corrected as the judgement was not a court of law but an Independent panel.

You stand corrected.

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Does anyone have any information about a possible asking price because, as I understand it there are 40 acres with revenue producing rents from athletics and RU clubs. If it could be done it could be a triple facility for Broncos, Skolars and the RFL for an international team and cup final team training base.

 

I agree it would be a dream scenario for league in the Capital but the cost , as always, is the key.

As someone has already said, the council may not be looking for a huge amount. At the moment local authorities are shedding themselves of anything and everything unfortunately, but that does offer a possible opportunity. A lot of 'local authority' leisure centres are now run by private companies, I'm a member of one.

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You could probably buy Yorkshire for the cost of 40 acres in London - I doubt if the council could legally get away with selling it for less than the market price. A long term lease might be another matter and would get the running costs off the council balance sheet.

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The question I have therefore is, can judgements made by eminent lawyers ( QCs) seated on independent tribunals or boards of enquiry be cited in court cases in regards to precedents ?.

 

No, because they are not courts. They are not established by the state, but by an independent organisation for the administration of that independent organisation.

 

Their decisions can, however, potentially be reviewed by the Courts. That was the loaded gun that London Welsh held as clearly the RFU had not applied its own rules equitably.

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The Broncos have nothing to fear from Saracens - possibly the only team in the top division of either code to haemorrhage more money than them on annual basis.

 

A post I would expect from an ex- Harlequins RU Season ticket Holder.

 

Saracens though ilustrate my point, through having Allianz Park the club aims to break even within 3 years. How is this so through the concept of scarcity. When Saracens played in Watford in a 17,000 seat stadium crowds averaged 6-7,000 and were going down for a winning side. Having moved to the 10,000 Allianz Park the club sells out each home match.

 

If you play at a ground which has a large capacity there is never a problem in getting a ticket so you do not have to buy in advance to secure your seat. This applies just as much to London Broncos as it did for Saracens and also to other Rugby League clubs whose attendances are always derided on this board. With a 15,000 capacity Stoop you may intend to come to the game but since you do not need to buy in advance you end up as being a walk-up. Between the time you decide to go and matchday there are lots of things that could happen, Domestic issues, the weather, Club form and the fact you may just not feel like it so you may end up not going- which costs the club. Last night the majority of crowd turned up about 10 mins before the start.

 

Now with a 6,000 capacity stadium if you cannot sell out for the visit of Wigan or Leeds there really is no hope. But since you have brought Saracens into it, It would be a good idea for Gus Mackay to have a chat with Saracens CEO Edward Griffiths to see if he could pick up some ideas. as someone who is involved with other sports as well as RL I feel this is something that Rugby League does not do i.e. see what someone else is doing, do your research ,and see if it would work for you. It's no good the likes of Jon Wilkin lamenting the poor marketing of the sport you have to get out there and seek out examples of best practice which is something this insular sport is not good at.

 

Are the majority of the Bronco's fan base in West London?..

No, though at the time of the original move to the Stoop back in 1997, it was said London Broncos were a West London Club purely on the basis that the ancestor of the club was Fulham RLFC. Unlkike other Rugby League teams, London Broncos is a regional club that I know has fans in Bournemouth, Wolverhampton, Swindon, Hampshire, Kent, Buckinghamshire and even the marshlands of Essex. That's why the club's fans overwhelmingly approved of 3.00pm on a Saturday as matchday in an online poll in 2006 and why Friday nights don't work - I got back home at 23:50 last night BTW

 

I do not agree with it but the conventional wisdom is that a 5 to 7,000 average is needed for a SL club to be financially stable. This could not be achieved in s stadium as small as this ?

 

If the Broncos do this and suceed, i don;t ever want to hear about Featherstone, Leigh, Halifax or anybody else not being able to generate gates big enough to survive in SL. I hope the Broncos do suceed in this small stadium to put those objections to rest. 

 

Everyone in the game seems to agree that money is tight, everyone wants to bring back meaningful P&R by bridging the gap between part-time and full time clubs but few advocate the logical answer of lowering the salary cap and more evenly distributing TV funding but that would be a different thread.

 

For the Broncos to be a success it need to be a club that cuts it's cloth according to it's keep and a club that can create the marketing nirvana of having demand for tickets oustripping the available capacity. With a smaller stadium this is achievable.

 

When this situation arises two things happen either separately or together, First as with Warrington's ground capacity is extended and secondly ticket prices rise. London would generate more money that a similar sized club in the North should this be achieved and would attract investment as losses would be kept to a minimum.

 

You would argue that championship clubs have stagated because of no chance of promotion. i would argue London and Salford, two strategically important clubs have both stagnated during the franchise era because they have bounced along the bottom of the franchised league with dwindling support in a big stadium. So P&R I am all for it.

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No, because they are not courts. They are not established by the state, but by an independent organisation for the administration of that independent organisation.

 

Their decisions can, however, potentially be reviewed by the Courts. That was the loaded gun that London Welsh held as clearly the RFU had not applied its own rules equitably.

 

Thank you for the information. I appreciate the reply.

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