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London Broncos to move in with Barnet FC?

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A post I would expect from an ex- Harlequins RU Season ticket Holder.

 

Saracens though ilustrate my point, through having Allianz Park the club aims to break even within 3 years. How is this so through the concept of scarcity. When Saracens played in Watford in a 17,000 seat stadium crowds averaged 6-7,000 and were going down for a winning side. Having moved to the 10,000 Allianz Park the club sells out each home match.

 

If you play at a ground which has a large capacity there is never a problem in getting a ticket so you do not have to buy in advance to secure your seat. This applies just as much to London Broncos as it did for Saracens and also to other Rugby League clubs whose attendances are always derided on this board. With a 15,000 capacity Stoop you may intend to come to the game but since you do not need to buy in advance you end up as being a walk-up. Between the time you decide to go and matchday there are lots of things that could happen, Domestic issues, the weather, Club form and the fact you may just not feel like it so you may end up not going- which costs the club. Last night the majority of crowd turned up about 10 mins before the start.

 

Now with a 6,000 capacity stadium if you cannot sell out for the visit of Wigan or Leeds there really is no hope. But since you have brought Saracens into it, It would be a good idea for Gus Mackay to have a chat with Saracens CEO Edward Griffiths to see if he could pick up some ideas. as someone who is involved with other sports as well as RL I feel this is something that Rugby League does not do i.e. see what someone else is doing, do your research ,and see if it would work for you. It's no good the likes of Jon Wilkin lamenting the poor marketing of the sport you have to get out there and seek out examples of best practice which is something this insular sport is not good at.

 

No, though at the time of the original move to the Stoop back in 1997, it was said London Broncos were a West London Club purely on the basis that the ancestor of the club was Fulham RLFC. Unlkike other Rugby League teams, London Broncos is a regional club that I know has fans in Bournemouth, Wolverhampton, Swindon, Hampshire, Kent, Buckinghamshire and even the marshlands of Essex. That's why the club's fans overwhelmingly approved of 3.00pm on a Saturday as matchday in an online poll in 2006 and why Friday nights don't work - I got back home at 23:50 last night BTW

 

 

Everyone in the game seems to agree that money is tight, everyone wants to bring back meaningful P&R by bridging the gap between part-time and full time clubs but few advocate the logical answer of lowering the salary cap and more evenly distributing TV funding but that would be a different thread.

 

For the Broncos to be a success it need to be a club that cuts it's cloth according to it's keep and a club that can create the marketing nirvana of having demand for tickets oustripping the available capacity. With a smaller stadium this is achievable.

 

When this situation arises two things happen either separately or together, First as with Warrington's ground capacity is extended and secondly ticket prices rise. London would generate more money that a similar sized club in the North should this be achieved and would attract investment as losses would be kept to a minimum.

 

You would argue that championship clubs have stagated because of no chance of promotion. i would argue London and Salford, two strategically important clubs have both stagnated during the franchise era because they have bounced along the bottom of the franchised league with dwindling support in a big stadium. So P&R I am all for it.

 

A fellow traveler. I have many times advocated a reduction of the salary cap by itself or as you prefer, a reduction and redistribution or revenues. Whilst I would not presume to speak for him I think I am correct in saying that Parksider also agrees that a salary cap reduction to make SL more affordable for the lower echelon clubs is a good idea.

 

Sometimes, I think that RL tries to operate at a bigger level than it is capable of and we need to revamp things to suit the realties of the sporting niche that we occupy.

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A post I would expect from an ex- Harlequins RU Season ticket Holder.

 

Saracens though ilustrate my point, through having Allianz Park the club aims to break even within 3 years.

 

You would argue that championship clubs have stagated because of no chance of promotion. i would argue London and Salford, two strategically important clubs have both stagnated during the franchise era because they have bounced along the bottom of the franchised league with dwindling support in a big stadium. So P&R I am all for it.

I've never been a Harlquins RU season ticket holder. I went to a few games when I lived near Twickenham. Not quite the same thing!

Saracens lost £5.8m in 2011/12. Moving to Allianz Park might address some of that profligacy but they're certainly not a model that any sane club should be following.

The P&R/franchise debate is interesting for London. We never finished in a relegation spot in the SL era to test it but there was always a belief that being relegated would kill the club - then in the franchise era there came the belief that we were coasting with nothing ever to play for. I see it that in both eras the club never consistently did enough on the field or off -- and have been mostly shambolic regardless of whether there's been a trapdoor at the foot of the league table or not.

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the issue regarding London Welsh not being promoted at first was due to facility standards of Old Deer Park. When the club made a deal to play in Oxford where the ground would meet standards, this is when the RFU got itself into a sticky situation.

 

Had the RFU stated in the competition by laws that Newcastle Falcons are exempt from relegation then not even a court of law can overturn this.

 

So if any new Super League bye-laws state that London and Catalans cannot be relegated, then they are safe from any court action much like they would be if the SL became a closed shop of however many teams. 

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the issue regarding London Welsh not being promoted at first was due to facility standards of Old Deer Park. When the club made a deal to play in Oxford where the ground would meet standards, this is when the RFU got itself into a sticky situation.

Had the RFU stated in the competition by laws that Newcastle Falcons are exempt from relegation then not even a court of law can overturn this.

So if any new Super League bye-laws state that London and Catalans cannot be relegated, then they are safe from any court action much like they would be if the SL became a closed shop of however many teams.

I'm in favour of French clubs being exempt but not London Broncos. The threat of relegation brings the best out on the Broncos, and anyhow a relegation may not be a bad thing. The club were never promoted on merit at the start of SL but almost managed just before SL started. A real promotion cements hardcore fans. There are now also sufficient other clubs around London maybe to take up the mantle

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I'm in favour of French clubs being exempt but not London Broncos. The threat of relegation brings the best out on the Broncos, and anyhow a relegation may not be a bad thing. The club were never promoted on merit at the start of SL but almost managed just before SL started. A real promotion cements hardcore fans. There are now also sufficient other clubs around London maybe to take up the mantle

 

Well I think they should be but we could go in circles for weeks/years discussing merits of our opinions. The point is that the league can make a decision that clubs are exempt from PnR and there is nothing a court of law can do to overturn that decision.

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The threat of relegation brings the best out on the Broncos,

The best I've ever seen London play was when we were on the fringes of the play-offs.

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The point is that the league can make a decision that clubs are exempt from PnR and there is nothing a court of law can do to overturn that decision.

 

A Court could judicially review such a decision but for such a challenge to succeed the governing body would have to have either improperly applied its rules or have introduced unreasonable rules.

 

Generally the Administrative Court and before it the Crown Office have tried to avoid decisions with regard to sporting bodies (my recollection is the leading case is one involving the greyhounds authorities). As such unreasonableness has quite a high threshold, which is why a challenge to a rule providing an exemption from relegation would probably not succeed, but London Welsh would have as an existing rule was being unequally applied.

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As such unreasonableness has quite a high threshold, which is why a challenge to a rule providing an exemption from relegation would probably not succeed, but London Welsh would have as an existing rule was being unequally applied.

Just to be clear, the issue raised was over the application of minimum standards. By allowing London to play in a stadium with a 5,600 capacity they would be unable to deny any club promotion for meeting the minimum requirement of 10,000. Hence the London Welsh example being raised, albeit in error.

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The best I've ever seen London play was when we were on the fringes of the play-offs.

A top-12 play-off huzzah!

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