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How Danny Brough is not the starting England scrum half is beyond me

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Brough's kicking game (relative to other England qualified half backs) is anywhere between average and brilliant.

Most England half backs kicking games are average - and thats the difference McNamara can't see. Too often we are on the back foot internationally due to our kicking game.

Sinfield is probably 2nd best but not as good as Brough, and a fair way off Brough as far as long-range kicking goes. And in internationals when you have backs to the wall, the long-range kicking game is key.

Mylers kicking game is non-existent, he's an Edwards-type support player. Depends what England need as a team.

Seems like Brough and Widdop to me, but Sinfield is the designated captain.........

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Brough chose scotland and should not be allowed to pick and chose.he has a good kicking game but hes not a world class half back

I suspect he previously chose scotland just to get an international game knowing full well he wasn't likely to be england's first choice.

It's great seeing Danny's career peak and trough.....it was only a few yrs ago he was tearing widnes apart in the championship playing for cas.....now here he is playing in a top 4 side, battering world club champions and a serious contender for the england shirt.....

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The real issue here is that McNamara has backed himself into a corner by naming Sinfield as captain a year out from the tournament.

He now faced with the prospect either of an embarrassing climb down or potentially disadvantaging his team.

I am a big KS fan but I don't think he offers anything that will trouble Australia/NZ.

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Those statistics don't exist, unless you can prove me wrong

So do we ignore today when Sinfield was totally dominated (for the 2nd time this year) by the guy who popular opinion is his biggest rival for that role in the England team. Do we totally ignore the 30+ ineffectual internationals that Sinfields played?

There hasn't been a player yet that doesn't have a quiet game and don't throw the "Brough goes missing in big games" fallacy at the argument.

People need to stop making excuses and scraping the barrel for reasons to shoe horn Sinfield into the England side, he isn't and never was the answer to England's half back issue.

 

Statistics was the wrong word. Okay. What I meant was that Brough is more likely to have an off day over a period of time. That was certainly what the Hudds fans on this forum suggested when I pointed out that he'd been anonymous in Salford's victory over Huddersfield at Barton a couple of months ago. If you ask around, I believe you'll find the concensus is that Brough does have off days.

 

Sinfield's international form is a conundrum. He has never seemed to scale the heights of his club form in an England/GB shirt. Could it be that he is almost always played out of position? (I know that he mostly plays stand off for Leeds these days, but his 'best position' is a contentious issue among RL followers.)

 

Finally, I do think McNamara has an agenda (every coach does) and it does seem that Brough is not on that agenda. Personally, I would like to see us play the best player in each position, but the old-fashioned concept of positions is difficult to transfer to the modern game. The game is very fluid and we now expect forwards to show the skills off backs and backs to mix it with the forwards at times. We seem to be heading towards a game of generalists rather than specialists in certain positions.

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The real issue here is that McNamara has backed himself into a corner by naming Sinfield as captain a year out from the tournament.

He now faced with the prospect either of an embarrassing climb down or potentially disadvantaging his team.

I am a big KS fan but I don't think he offers anything that will trouble Australia/NZ.

 

I believe KS is a fantastic SL player, but I totally agree with that sentiment.

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I believe KS is a fantastic SL player, but I totally agree with that sentiment.

I also agree. Despite Broughs apparent off days, if its an 'on' day he'll cause real issues for them. Sinfield won't. So it's worth the gamble.

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What is also beyond me is how does Brett Ferres miss out on the squad yet Jamie Jones-Buchanen gets in, JJB is a good honest player but you could see the touches of class from Ferres in that Cup game.

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Mylers kicking game is non-existent, he's an Edwards-type support player.

I can only assume you last watched Myler play in about 2010.

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Mcnamara chose his half back chase n sinfield ages ago n he is sticking buy them (right or wrong) seems hes trying to build an understanding between the two like thurston n lockyer had rather than just picking the 2halfs that are in form that month.

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Mcnamara chose his half back chase n sinfield ages ago n he is sticking buy them (right or wrong) seems hes trying to build an understanding between the two like thurston n lockyer had rather than just picking the 2halfs that are in form that month.

Unfortunately, however good an understanding Chase and Sinfield build they're never going to be Thurston and Lockyer. I really think it was a very foolish decision to make Sinfield the captain.

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                 It would be interesting to have a poll of S/L coaches to choose Englands halfback combination. Don`t think many would prefer Chase/Sinfield.

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It would be interesting to have a poll of S/L coaches to choose Englands halfback combination. Don`t think many would prefer Chase/Sinfield.

It would be VERY interesting. I hope Martyn and Gareth are reading!

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A man that has been a multiple clubs and has had trouble at all of them, and who is possibly the most easily wound up person in rugby league, one who pretty much no self control and constantly bleats at officials, no thanks.

 

Allied to the fact that he's played for Scotland.

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A man that has been a multiple clubs and has had trouble at all of them, and who is possibly the most easily wound up person in rugby league, one who pretty much no self control and constantly bleats at officials, no thanks.

Allied to the fact that he's played for Scotland.

Thought you were talking about Chase then until the last word. Replace that with the Exiles or NZ Maori and you'd have the same!

Playing for Scotland should not and will not affect Brough at all so I wish people would stop bringing that one up.

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The real issue here is that McNamara has backed himself into a corner by naming Sinfield as captain a year out from the tournament.

 

 

This is spot on.  Sinfield was awful yesterday in the cup game.  Added to that I hate the way they're using Eorl Crabtree in the PR and adverts etc., thus also guaranteeing his place in the cut down squad.  His ability and impact in games is hardly on a par with that of any of the Burgess brothers.

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Playing for Scotland should not and will not affect Brough at all so I wish people would stop bringing that one up.

 

It should.  Surely you should be proud to play for your country.  It always made me laugh when Cunningham and Harris played for Wales, despite being English, but fair play to them both at least they nailed their colours on properly.

 

Oh and Chase's selection has always been ridiculous, both on his ability to play in a TEAM, and also because he's as English as Mal Meninga.

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This is spot on. Sinfield was awful yesterday in the cup game. Added to that I hate the way they're using Eorl Crabtree in the PR and adverts etc., thus also guaranteeing his place in the cut down squad. His ability and impact in games is hardly on a par with that of any of the Burgess brothers.

Disagree with the Crabtree comment completely. He's been on absolute fire this season. Didn't he play 70 minutes against Leeds yesterday?

He's been the best prop in the competition this season. When he played the Aussies last time he caused them lots of problems. Just because he doesn't play NRL doesn't mean he won't have a good as impact as the Burgess brothers. He'd be given the number 10 shirt in my England team with Graham at 8, S Burgess at 13 and G Burgess coming off the bench.

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 Added to that I hate the way they're using Eorl Crabtree in the PR and adverts etc., thus also guaranteeing his place in the cut down squad.  His ability and impact in games is hardly on a par with that of any of the Burgess brothers.

I don't think Crabtree's ability and impact is quite on a par with the likes of Sam and George Burgess but I would suggest that, on both counts, he is more than on a par with the likes of Chris Heighington - a player of lesser ability who some on here would like to be selected for the England World Cup squad. England can have the Burgesses and Crabtree...

I also think that the best rugby league players are as deserving of "PR and adverts" as those individuals from sundry other sports - our players, especially in this World Cup year, have more than earned their time in the sun.

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Must admit I was trying to work that one out, I can only remember Sinfield playing for Leeds and never Scotland.

I have to presume you are talking about Danny Brough of old? Did you not see bailey trying to wind up Broughy yesterday by patting him on his head when he made a mistake? Broughy just laughed at the dopey fool!!

A man that has been a multiple clubs and has had trouble at all of them, and who is possibly the most easily wound up person in rugby league, one who pretty much no self control and constantly bleats at officials, no thanks.

 

Allied to the fact that he's played for Scotland.

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It should. Surely you should be proud to play for your country.

It shouldn't because it's not applied to other players. Whether you think it is immoral is irrelevant.

And playing for two different countries doesn't affect how proud he is to play for either of them.

A player should never be shut out because he is doing what other players are allowed to do, especially other players selected in the same squad.

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Must admit I was trying to work that one out, I can only remember Sinfield playing for Leeds and never Scotland.

I have to presume you are talking about Danny Brough of old? Did you not see bailey trying to wind up Broughy yesterday by patting him on his head when he made a mistake? Broughy just laughed at the dopey fool!!

His brother played for Scotland. Is that grounds enough to drop him?

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                 It would be interesting to have a poll of S/L coaches to choose Englands halfback combination. Don`t think many would prefer Chase/Sinfield.

Especially France coach Richard Agar's choices!

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Wow anyone saying Crabtree doesn't have the require impact and influence on a game didn't watch yesterday - and can't see past the giants of 10 years ago

Crabtree has been monstrous this season, last season he was carrying the giants pack alone and now he doesn't have to do it all alone he is being immense

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Wow anyone saying Crabtree doesn't have the require impact and influence on a game didn't watch yesterday - and can't see past the giants of 10 years ago

Crabtree has been monstrous this season, last season he was carrying the giants pack alone and now he doesn't have to do it all alone he is being immense

 

I loved the way he gave Hardaker the easiest possible position to tackle him instead of running over him.  Wow.

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I loved the way he gave Hardaker the easiest possible position to tackle him instead of running over him. Wow.

I guess you missed the 40+ tackles in the game and the endless metres he made. Not to mention the 70 minute shift he put in. Then again most prop forwards performances are judged on the one time they break the line rather than the amount of metres and tackles they get through, obviously.

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