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joe elliot

No red card for punching

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This rule for sending someone off for punching is spoiling our game, sin bin and more excitement when they come back on.

How is it ok for players to do cheap shots and act in a provocative manner yet get away with it.

I'd of rather seen Ryan bailey sent off for rubbing Danny broughs head when he passes the ball to touch than see wardle go.

Iv said it before and ill say it again our game is played by men we don't want to see play acting and ungentlemanly behaviour creep into our game

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We also don't want to see thugs. Not for a second calling Wardle a thug, but there have been many thuggish incidents this year that have seen red.

I think provocation needs to be taken into account when things like this happen.

Situation 1 - McGuire accidentally catches a knee to the head, kicks off, throws punches but because he fights like a girl nothing happens.

Situation 2 - Ablett pushes and provokes Wardle. Gets a response. Wardle belts him in retaliation, and because he can throw a decent punch he is sent off.

All this will do is increase the number of sh*thouse tactics to try and get a response. I called it in the first 20 minutes that Leeds were trying to provoke the Hudds players into a retaliation, and they finally caught a fish. It shouldn't be rewarded.

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I agree we don't want to see thugs, I don't class standing toe to toe as thuggish, it's part of our sport.

Steve Ganson needs to put a stop to this stupid refereeing straight away.

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Is it really,it may have been pre SL but the game needs to be sold to parents to encourage kids to play,they won't let them if stuff like that is ignored in the game.

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Is it really,it may have been pre SL but the game needs to be sold to parents to encourage kids to play,they won't let them if stuff like that is ignored in the game.

Too late, even in kids RL they are always dropping the elbow or rubbing the tackled player's face. I suppose when they watch idiots like Ablett get away with it game after game they will think its OK.

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Is it really,it may have been pre SL but the game needs to be sold to parents to encourage kids to play,they won't let them if stuff like that is ignored in the game.

That's a bit rich coming from a supporter of a team that contains Ryan Bailey.

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Kids of our generation were never discouraged from playing in the 80's....and there was plenty of biff on display back then....

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That's a bit rich coming from a supporter of a team that contains Ryan Bailey.

I despair ,I really do.This forum is turning to ######

When have i mentioned Bailey,or condoned any of his actions.Yes i support Leeds but it doesn't mean I condone thuggery.FFS.

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He had to go I think. Just because it was on national TV alone. The fact that ablett didn't retalitate to the four punches he received made it a definite walk for me but if it wasn't televised it might of been just a yellow.

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He had to go I think. Just because it was on national TV alone. The fact that ablett didn't retalitate to the four punches he received made it a definite walk for me but if it wasn't televised it might of been just a yellow.

Would Ablett have retaliated if Delaney (?) hadn't come in to stop the fight?

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Would Ablett have retaliated if Delaney (?) hadn't come in to stop the fight?

Good point who knows. But on the evidence we saw I think the red was just. But like I said if it wasn't on national TV I think he would of got away with just the yellow.I didn't like the Leeds tactics though once they knew they were getting beaten by the better team on the day they just wanted to start a brawl every set of 6 lol.

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He had to go I think. Just because it was on national TV alone. The fact that ablett didn't retalitate to the four punches he received made it a definite walk for me but if it wasn't televised it might of been just a yellow.

yeah i agree with you, if ablett had retaliated it would have been a sin bin a peace, but because he didnt retaliate it had to be a red, maybe ablett knew that?

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Too late, even in kids RL they are always dropping the elbow or rubbing the tackled player's face. I suppose when they watch idiots like Ablett get away with it game after game they will think its OK.

Often wondered why you have that user name when you so obviously despise Leeds.Keep on with the keyboard warrior posts.

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Think about your own experience of rugby league, nobody I have ever spoke too has ever wanted anybody sent off for punching or has ever even said that a fight wasn't good for the game. Im not old enough to remember the old days, I move in rugby circles. The refs are doing the game a disservice.

A fight created origin, when Arthur Beetson punched his team mate it showed how much the game meant. I don't think origins viewing figures are that bad the last time I checked.

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I despair ,I really do.This forum is turning to ######

When have i mentioned Bailey,or condoned any of his actions.Yes i support Leeds but it doesn't mean I condone thuggery.FFS.

Fair enough, maybe I was out of order and I'll apologise. I just didn't think it was a red. With two players squaring up to each other both are aware that there's a good chance someone might throw a punch and would be set for that eventuality. It was all over in seconds with no damage done (except for Ablett's ego). A yellow would have sufficed.

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I agree we don't want to see thugs, I don't class standing toe to toe as thuggish, it's part of our sport.

Steve Ganson needs to put a stop to this stupid refereeing straight away.

it wasnt exactly toe to toe though, that is why he got sent off, if ablett fought back then it prob wouldnt have been a red.

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it wasnt exactly toe to toe though, that is why he got sent off, if ablett fought back then it prob wouldnt have been a red.

Ablett might have fought back if Delaney hadn't jumped in to stop Wardle.

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Think about your own experience of rugby league, nobody I have ever spoke too has ever wanted anybody sent off for punching or has ever even said that a fight wasn't good for the game. Im not old enough to remember the old days, I move in rugby circles. The refs are doing the game a disservice.

A fight created origin, when Arthur Beetson punched his team mate it showed how much the game meant. I don't think origins viewing figures are that bad the last time I checked.

it's the "it's all part of the game" stuff,to me it isn't.RL to me is about skill and flair and passion but not violence.

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Iit's the "it's all part of the game" stuff,to me it isn't.RL to me is about skill and flair and passion but not violence.

The violence wasn't pre meditated, it was heat of the moment stuff that happened in the middle of an intense environment.

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Fair enough, maybe I was out of order and I'll apologise. I just didn't think it was a red. With two players squaring up to each other both are aware that there's a good chance someone might throw a punch and would be set for that eventuality. It was all over in seconds with no damage done (except for Ablett's ego). A yellow would have sufficed.

Accepted.

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Often wondered why you have that user name when you so obviously despise Leeds.Keep on with the keyboard warrior posts.

I'm from Leeds but don't support the Rhinos anymore, it was about 5 years ago when I realised how much cheating that got away with, it started to leave a sour taste in my mouth.

Anyway, don't be so arrogant to think that everyone in Leeds supports the Rhinos, the majority of the population don't really care about anything other then Leeds United.

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RL is played tough and RL is played on the edge of emotions and intimidation and goading at times.

Occasionally, it'll explode, often it'll be tough, its in the DNA of the game. Its designed that way.

The crowd roars when something like that happens.

I've not yet in 40 years witnessed a crowd that goes quiet when a scrap erupts or there are cases when one team is intimidating the other by hard and fair tackling and driving attackers back to their own line, and yes bordering on violence. They love it.

Wardle's was borderline yellow/red card, but I'd go with yellow. Maguire and Cudjoe was handbags nothing more, but Maguire should have been spoken to.

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That's it right there Shaun Mc, it adds to spectacle at times, i don't see it as violence at all.

I spoke to a guy who has only just recently started watching rugby league who said he watches the NRL now because it's faster and more aggressive. So by trying to satisfy certain people who don't seem in touch with what rugby league is they are actually turning people off our sport.

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Having seen Justin Poore get sent off twice for only throwing a third of the punches Wardle threw its time for consistency. If players are going to throw punches then a consistent outcome is needed. I am not condoning the fact Poore did what he did, I thought the punishment was harsh but he threw the puches. Other players have thrown punches and no action taken, perhaps it depends upon reputation and the audience and the type of game, just make it a yellow card offence or if its against the rules red card full stop. players get angry and lose their tempers I suppose we all do but they are competative role models, do it at your peril is what I say.

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Having seen Justin Poore get sent off twice for only throwing a third of the punches Wardle threw its time for consistency. If players are going to throw punches then a consistent outcome is needed.

Erm, Wardle was sent off, so isn't that a consistent outcome? Unless you're saying Wardle should have been sent off three times.

I'm in the camp who likes a bit of leniency and the red card should be for acts of thuggery. Yesterday's wasn't in this category since Ablett incited it to start with.

I think consistency from game to game is over-rated and probably unachievable. For me, it's more important taht referees are empowered to use their discretion and judgement rather than send someone off because another ref did three months ago. Consistency within the same game and clear communication are far more important, and that's what was lacking yesterday as McGuire got away with his own punching, compounded by him basically instructing Bentham to award Leeds a penalty (and Bentham complying).

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