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joe elliot

No red card for punching

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Why send somebody of when probably 90% of the crowd don't think it's a sending off, never mind if its punching. The referees are a part of the RFL they should do what's best for the game. Sending players off Everytime they have a set too is really making a mockery of our game.

We pride ourselves on being a game for men, if we want it to go like football where the play acting, niggly provocative player gets rewarded for his endeavours then let's keep sending players off for fighting.

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McGuire got away with his own punching, compounded by him basically instructing Bentham to award Leeds a penalty (and Bentham complying).

You could also ask should McGuire have been sent off for the flying clothesline when even the commentators queried whether his feet were off the ground when contact was made.

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Erm, Wardle was sent off, so isn't that a consistent outcome? 

I'm in the camp who likes a bit of leniency and the red card should be for acts of thuggery. Yesterday's wasn't in this category since Ablett incited it to start with.

I think consistency from game to game is over-rated and probably unachievable. For me, it's more important taht referees are empowered to use their discretion and judgement rather than send someone off because another ref did three months ago. Consistency within the same game and clear communication are far more important, and that's what was lacking yesterday as McGuire got away with his own punching, compounded by him basically instructing Bentham to award Leeds a penalty (and Bentham complying).

 

Wardle was sent from the field, however McGuire was not. He wasn't at Bradford last week when he threw punches, and he wasn't yesterday when he did the same.  What he did was no different to what Poore did to Farrell, or what Wardle did to his Leeds opponents and yet he remained on the field against the Bulls and wasn't suspended so was able to take to the field against Huddersfield.  You could argue that what McGuire did was worse as he was the aggressor.

 

Consistency is important in the game, it's very important.  It gives boundaries and parameters for players and coaches to operated within.  I thought Silverwood's twitter explanation for not carding McGuire against Bradford was weak in the extreme.  Both Wardle and Poore have been sent from the field for retaliating against s***housing and in Poore's case Farrell trying to punch him in the face, should he and Wardle just stand there waiting to be hit?

 

The game is rough enough without punching being tolerated one week and not the next.  

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Erm, Wardle was sent off, so isn't that a consistent outcome? Unless you're saying Wardle should have been sent off three times.

I'm in the camp who likes a bit of leniency and the red card should be for acts of thuggery. Yesterday's wasn't in this category since Ablett incited it to start with.

I think consistency from game to game is over-rated and probably unachievable. For me, it's more important taht referees are empowered to use their discretion and judgement rather than send someone off because another ref did three months ago. Consistency within the same game and clear communication are far more important, and that's what was lacking yesterday as McGuire got away with his own punching, compounded by him basically instructing Bentham to award Leeds a penalty (and Bentham complying).

 I didnt mean that what I meant was other players have thrown puches but no action taken Wardle sent offshowed some consistency with punching my point is you dont throw punches without intent and that intent is to hit someone, provoked or not professional sportsmen should know what the line is and not to cross it, the failure is by the officials, make it a yellow card with no contact and red if there is.

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 I didnt mean that what I meant was other players have thrown puches but no action taken Wardle sent offshowed some consistency with punching my point is you dont throw punches without intent and that intent is to hit someone, provoked or not professional sportsmen should know what the line is and not to cross it, the failure is by the officials, make it a yellow card with no contact and red if there is.

 

That doesn't stack up to me.  Intent is intent so whether contact is made is broadly irrelevant.  I remember McCurrie getting sent off for Wakefield without touching anybody on one occasion and rightly so.

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I don't think anybody should be sent off for punching when there is provocation or it is two players having a tussle. Just because players are taking part in a game of RL doesn't mean they cease to be human, and they are trained to big strong , physical , hard people. If someone is intent on putting their hands or knee in your face or constantly niggling you you should have every right to defend yourself. And with the on-report facility and match reviews we have now is there really any need in such cases? Players are routinely called to answer anyway.

 

RL is played tough and RL is played on the edge of emotions and intimidation and goading at times.
Occasionally, it'll explode, often it'll be tough, its in the DNA of the game. Its designed that way.
The crowd roars when something like that happens.
I've not yet in 40 years witnessed a crowd that goes quiet when a scrap erupts or there are cases when one team is intimidating the other by hard and fair tackling and driving attackers back to their own line, and yes bordering on violence. They love it.

Wardle's was borderline yellow/red card, but I'd go with yellow. Maguire and Cudjoe was handbags nothing more, but Maguire should have been spoken to.

 

Completly agree...sometimes RL does not realise when it is shooting itself in the foot..the days of the loose cannon lunatics are long gone , discipline in the game is a very important part of been a professional SL player now and i really do not see a problem within the game in that regard at all, but the nature of the game means incidents occur and i much favour the ice hockey (and State of Origin) method of letting these big boys, who are not babies , get on with it and sort it out afterwards, the crowds DO like it and we can keep 13 v 13 as much as is possible.

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Exactly. I really don't want to see provocation rewarded, which this does. If someone is being a thug and attacking people, that should be a red.

If someone is provoked and someone responds, should be a yellow each. I'd even throw in the caveat that they should have to shake hands after the ten minutes before they enter the field so we know it's out if their system and if they don't, they can stay off longer to "cool off".

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im all for sin bining players when theres a punch-up, but Wardle cant have any complaints for seeing red.

you start throwing punches for what appeared to be nothing more than a bit of push and shove at the PTB and you can't really expect anything less.

that being said, if Ablett would have thrown a couple of his own i reckon both would have seen yellow at worst.

Its an area i think referee's tend to judge by each specific incident, and not just whether a punch has been thrown.

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He had to go I think. Just because it was on national TV alone. The fact that ablett didn't retalitate to the four punches he received made it a definite walk for me but if it wasn't televised it might of been just a yellow.

i agree. The black and white of it was he threw 5 punches direct to a players head.

Any anger should be directed to the player rather than the ref or the rules.

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To send a player off for punching is ruining the game and ruining the sport. The argument that it's a family sport and will put people off doesn't stick up when our highest viewing figures are for state of origin that actually condones a square up.

You've got no game if you take the passion out of it.

The exiles game would be something people might start looking forward too if that had a bit of passion.

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To send a player off for punching is ruining the game and ruining the sport. The argument that it's a family sport and will put people off doesn't stick up when our highest viewing figures are for state of origin that actually condones a square up.

You've got no game if you take the passion out of it.

The exiles game would be something people might start looking forward too if that had a bit of passion.

no sport (apart from boxing and ufc) allows you to repeatedly punch an opposing player in the head and stay on.

RL should be no different imho.

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Last time I checked Dave The State of Origin was a sport

well no, Rugby League is the sport but its a fair point.

I dont like the dual standards in the game, but then the Aussies will just do what they eant.

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The Aussies seem to realise that the spectacle of the game matters more than pleasing a few spectators that don't like a punch being thrown.

Which is another reason why they have a massive TV deal.

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I'm from Leeds but don't support the Rhinos anymore, it was about 5 years ago when I realised how much cheating that got away with, it started to leave a sour taste in my mouth.

Anyway, don't be so arrogant to think that everyone in Leeds supports the Rhinos, the majority of the population don't really care about anything other then Leeds United.

Wasn't arrogance,just wondered why you had the username,given the amount of uninformed bile you spout..And I don't assume everyone in Leeds supports the Rhinos.I know most  follow Leeds United.

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Wardle got what he deserved. He kept punching in what wasn't an exchange of blows. He could have cost his team the game through his stupidity. I don't think he'll get much sympathy from Paul Anderson or the Rugby League disciplinary panel.

 

 

 

I always wondered what his hands are trained for, because he never passes the ball with them.

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The NRL don't throw red cards about for fighting, they're doing just fine. I haven't seen any compelling evidence to say that red carding players for punching helps the games image or popularity. The game isn't going to fall on its ###### because of a little fighting.

 

People say it, over and over and over, but they never offer any sort of proof for their claims that it does the sport harm. The facts say otherwise, don't they. Rugby leagues biggest spectacle, the one spectacle that pulls in an abundance of casual sports fans around the world - without relying on patriotic bullsh*t like international games do - is based on that element of the game.

 

Mark Geyer had it right the other year when he said that if there was a guaranteed fight at every game, the sports attendance figures would sky rocket something stupid. If next Monday Bailey was liable to start a brawl against St Helens, don't you think more people would watch?

 

But there seems to be this silly, prissy notion that a 10,000 strong crowd with loads of women and kids in it is somehow better than a much bigger crowd and television audience which is dominated almost exclusively by males. Let's just ignore that there are many people who watch and grew to love sports like league because of the gladitorial violence.

 

The game will survive without fighting, but removing fighting isn't going to help it in anyway. If you had two comps of equal skill side by side, one where fighting was relatively frequent and only warranted a stint in the sin bin, and one where fighting was a red card everytime and thus fighting was a rarity, which is going to dominate the other in so far as viewership? I think we all know.

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Wardle got what he deserved. He kept punching in what wasn't an exchange of blows. He could have cost his team the game through his stupidity. I don't think he'll get much sympathy from Paul Anderson or the Rugby League disciplinary panel.

 

 

 

I always wondered what his hands are trained for, because he never passes the ball with them.

 

The Leeds player kneed him in the head with force several times. I don't know if anyone watched the review on the red button afterwards but it was clear as day and ridiculous. Wardle was well within his right to throw punches, the referee obviously had no interest in protecting him.

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The Leeds player kneed him in the head with force several times. I don't know if anyone watched the review on the red button afterwards but it was clear as day and ridiculous. Wardle was well within his right to throw punches, the referee obviously had no interest in protecting him.

 

Well I watched it, twice in fact, and I didn't see any knees going in. I did see Ablett butt his head into Wardle's chest as he played the ball. There was then an exchange of views and some pushing, concluding with Wardle throwing some punches.

 

I don't think Wardle has any grounds for complaint. He lost his discipline and he should not have. Leeds were clearly trying to niggle Huddersfield and they only succeeded with this one incident. FWIW, I think Ablett should have seen yellow for the provocation. (Head butting is just as illegal as punching, but it wasn't head to head.)

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Kids of our generation were never discouraged from playing in the 80's....and there was plenty of biff on display back then....

 

I am with you.  Brawls and fights do not turn parents off the game..I have been coaching for years and i have never come across any parent that has even brought the subject up.

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The Leeds player kneed him in the head with force several times. I don't know if anyone watched the review on the red button afterwards but it was clear as day and ridiculous. Wardle was well within his right to throw punches, the referee obviously had no interest in protecting him.

 Spot on, Ablett knees him in the head on at least two occasions during the tackle.

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it's the "it's all part of the game" stuff,to me it isn't.RL to me is about skill and flair and passion but not violence.

Are you serious? The game itself is a violent game. Are you seriously saying that you have never once in all your years of watching league been roused or cheered at seeing two players go toe toe or a GB player smashing an aussie? what do you do? tut tut tut or something?

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Are you serious? The game itself is a violent game. Are you seriously saying that you have never once in all your years of watching league been roused or cheered at seeing two players go toe toe or a GB player smashing an aussie? what do you do? tut tut tut or something?

I go to a game to watch the skill on offer,to see my team win,not in the hope of some "biff",is that so wrong.It obviously is to some.If there is some "biff" then fair enough,but that's not why I love this game.

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I go to a game to watch the skill on offer,to see my team win,not in the hope of some "biff",is that so wrong.It obviously is to some.If there is some "biff" then fair enough,but that's not why I love this game.

 

I did not say that, i asked you if have you ever cheered or been roused by a bit of biff? whether it be leeds or the national team or even your local amateur team. I do not love the game for anything other than it is in my opininion the best game It is brutal by nature and biff occurs.

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I did not say that, i asked you if have you ever cheered or been roused by a bit of biff? whether it be leeds or the national team or even your local amateiur team

Of course I have.

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