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Feelgood factor back with P&R return

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I'm done, sadly. The feelgood factor of licensing - which should have evolved into fully-fledged franchising and the strategic mergers of pro sides in saturated areas and expansion into new ones - has instead given way to the heartache of a return to entrenched hierarchies, "boom and bust" clubs, boring fixtures and national indifference by way of the risible promotion/relegation model. We simply cannot escape our past in British sport. We either don't want to or are simply not brave enough. It's a great shame.

I'm looking forward to getting stuck into NRL properly. I would have much favoured following an indigenous league with a merged Hull side that I could support, being a progressive Hull KR fan. I will however watch NRL in the capacity of what the US sports pundit Bill Simmons calls an "atheist", ie with no team affiliation, merely enjoying the intensity and unpredictability of the action, as I do with the NBA. Much better that than a constant struggle to aim above a top 8 glass ceiling and the worry, frustration and uncertainty that this brings.

Good luck to all who stick with Super League. However, you were fools to yourselves and I sincerely doubt will even have a sport to follow in 10 years time. Get those buckets ready outside of the few elite sides - you'll be using them again and again.

I'm sorry to be leaving SL behind but feel relieved in a strange way. It's draining trying to convince self-interested King Canute rugby league fans that a Watership Down-style disaster awaits. You deserve it, ultimately. We reap what we sow.

Should we ever revisit the 1995 model and get serious about a stable, intense, franchised elite competition I'll be ready with cash in hand to spend on the world's greatest sport in the country that invented it but currently has not a clue how to make it profitable and enticing to investors and the wider public.

Peace out.

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Glad to see the system to protect clubs. In the top level of the game getting into financial trouble worked so wel......................on hang on it didnt did it.

Actually the system brought in to protect clubs did. Unfortunately that system was scrapped by the clubs themselves and once that protection was removed we had the Wakefield, Bradford, Salford scenarios

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just the double standard I expected.

My satire was qualified as humour. Yours wasn't. Want a bandage for your ego?

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I'm done, sadly. The feelgood factor of licensing - which should have evolved into fully-fledged franchising and the strategic mergers of pro sides in saturated areas and expansion into new ones - has instead given way to the heartache of a return to entrenched hierarchies, "boom and bust" clubs, boring fixtures and national indifference by way of the risible promotion/relegation model. We simply cannot escape our past in British sport. We either don't want to or are simply not brave enough. It's a great shame.

I'm looking forward to getting stuck into NRL properly. I would have much favoured following an indigenous league with a merged Hull side that I could support, being a progressive Hull KR fan. I will however watch NRL in the capacity of what the US sports pundit Bill Simmons calls an "atheist", ie with no team affiliation, merely enjoying the intensity and unpredictability of the action, as I do with the NBA. Much better that than a constant struggle to aim above a top 8 glass ceiling and the worry, frustration and uncertainty that this brings.

Good luck to all who stick with Super League. However, you were fools to yourselves and I sincerely doubt will even have a sport to follow in 10 years time. Get those buckets ready outside of the few elite sides - you'll be using them again and again.

I'm sorry to be leaving SL behind but feel relieved in a strange way. It's draining trying to convince self-interested King Canute rugby league fans that a Watership Down-style disaster awaits. You deserve it, ultimately. We reap what we sow.

Should we ever revisit the 1995 model and get serious about a stable, intense, franchised elite competition I'll be ready with cash in hand to spend on the world's greatest sport in the country that invented it but currently has not a clue how to make it profitable and enticing to investors and the wider public.

Peace out.

Not the kind of person to try something new before you condemn it and take your bat and ball home. Good riddance.

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I'm done, sadly. The feelgood factor of licensing - which should have evolved into fully-fledged franchising and the strategic mergers of pro sides in saturated areas and expansion into new ones - has instead given way to the heartache of a return to entrenched hierarchies, "boom and bust" clubs, boring fixtures and national indifference by way of the risible promotion/relegation model. We simply cannot escape our past in British sport. We either don't want to or are simply not brave enough. It's a great shame.

I'm looking forward to getting stuck into NRL properly. I would have much favoured following an indigenous league with a merged Hull side that I could support, being a progressive Hull KR fan. I will however watch NRL in the capacity of what the US sports pundit Bill Simmons calls an "atheist", ie with no team affiliation, merely enjoying the intensity and unpredictability of the action, as I do with the NBA. Much better that than a constant struggle to aim above a top 8 glass ceiling and the worry, frustration and uncertainty that this brings.

Good luck to all who stick with Super League. However, you were fools to yourselves and I sincerely doubt will even have a sport to follow in 10 years time. Get those buckets ready outside of the few elite sides - you'll be using them again and again.

I'm sorry to be leaving SL behind but feel relieved in a strange way. It's draining trying to convince self-interested King Canute rugby league fans that a Watership Down-style disaster awaits. You deserve it, ultimately. We reap what we sow.

Should we ever revisit the 1995 model and get serious about a stable, intense, franchised elite competition I'll be ready with cash in hand to spend on the world's greatest sport in the country that invented it but currently has not a clue how to make it profitable and enticing to investors and the wider public.

Peace out.

What a sanctimonious load of old tripe. 'I'll watch the telly instead of enjoying any more live matches'. Yeah, that'll do the job. Good for you.

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Lol.... oh the irony!!!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:

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What's to feel good about here? Unless your agenda is to see rugby league return to the point where it's a marginal, under financed pastime, played out between teams of semi-professional players from small northern towns.

The good old days may have been great but the truth is, they're gone. The world has changed.

If this is your regressive vision of the future, don't be shocked when fans, broadcasters, sponsors, talented athletes and perhaps even ambitious clubs choose to walk away from our game.

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What ever changes are made we all need to back it and stick to the rules that are applied not change them to fit with clubs

We had a framing of future to improve stadiums yet some clubs have done nothing. We need progressive clubs aiming for the S/L to average 2500 but it doesn't matter if S/L clubs cannot attract alot more We monitor clubs so they don't got bust but if-they do no worry they won't go anywhere. We aim to progress our youth but scrap it to save money yet continue to bring Aussies over and we don't allow a club who wins it's league 3 years on the trot it move anywhere. There is a few reasons why we must change because people on the outside looking it just laugh when you explain what happens we haven't even got the same points for a try between all leagues It's time for change so lets get on with it but make sure the change is right for everyone not just the few

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What's to feel good about here? Unless your agenda is to see rugby league return to the point where it's a marginal, under financed pastime, played out between teams of semi-professional players from small northern towns.

The good old days may have been great but the truth is, they're gone. The world has changed.

If this is your regressive vision of the future, don't be shocked when fans, broadcasters, sponsors, talented athletes and perhaps even ambitious clubs choose to walk away from our game.

 

 

What's to feel good about here? Unless your agenda is to see rugby league return to the point where it's a marginal, under financed pastime, played out between teams of semi-professional players from small northern towns.

The good old days may have been great but the truth is, they're gone. The world has changed.

If this is your regressive vision of the future, don't be shocked when fans, broadcasters, sponsors, talented athletes and perhaps even ambitious clubs choose to walk away from our game.

and when that happens as surely it will it wont be fair or just and it will be somebody else's fault.

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What ever changes are made we all need to back it and stick to the rules that are applied not change them to fit with clubs

We had a framing of future to improve stadiums yet some clubs have done nothing. We need progressive clubs aiming for the S/L to average 2500 but it doesn't matter if S/L clubs cannot attract alot more We monitor clubs so they don't got bust but if-they do no worry they won't go anywhere. We aim to progress our youth but scrap it to save money yet continue to bring Aussies over and we don't allow a club who wins it's league 3 years on the trot it move anywhere. There is a few reasons why we must change because people on the outside looking it just laugh when you explain what happens we haven't even got the same points for a try between all leagues It's time for change so lets get on with it but make sure the change is right for everyone not just the few

 

Really? When the #### was that introduced???

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I find the closed-mindedness of some on here quite shocking.

 

With some people nothing is ever grey.

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I find the closed-mindedness of some on here quite shocking.

With some people nothing is ever grey.

There are a lot of polarised views on a limited number of subjects. People express what by now are deeply held feelings. We are on the opposite side of the debate on p&r dave.

However, I still feel comfortable enough to exchange views with you. You are never abusive. You rarely if ever use sarcasm as your preferred mode of exchange and though I reletain my 'closed' stance on this issue I'm still a happy bloke happy to discuss any aspect of the game with you - though you have to accept as ive yet to see a sl game im somewhat limited on that subject! :lol:

Keep smiling

Love n peace

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What ever changes are made we all need to back it and stick to the rules that are applied not change them to fit with clubs

We had a framing of future to improve stadiums yet some clubs have done nothing. We need progressive clubs aiming for the S/L to average 2500 but it doesn't matter if S/L clubs cannot attract alot more We monitor clubs so they don't got bust but if-they do no worry they won't go anywhere. We aim to progress our youth but scrap it to save money yet continue to bring Aussies over and we don't allow a club who wins it's league 3 years on the trot it move anywhere. There is a few reasons why we must change because people on the outside looking it just laugh when you explain what happens we haven't even got the same points for a try between all leagues It's time for change so lets get on with it but make sure the change is right for everyone not just the few

it'll be reight!

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Really? When the #### was that introduced???

Sorry it wasn't I mean a league win

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I'm done, sadly. The feelgood factor of licensing - which should have evolved into fully-fledged franchising and the strategic mergers of pro sides in saturated areas and expansion into new ones - has instead given way to the heartache of a return to entrenched hierarchies, "boom and bust" clubs, boring fixtures and national indifference by way of the risible promotion/relegation model. We simply cannot escape our past in British sport. We either don't want to or are simply not brave enough. It's a great shame.

I'm looking forward to getting stuck into NRL properly. I would have much favoured following an indigenous league with a merged Hull side that I could support, being a progressive Hull KR fan. I will however watch NRL in the capacity of what the US sports pundit Bill Simmons calls an "atheist", ie with no team affiliation, merely enjoying the intensity and unpredictability of the action, as I do with the NBA. Much better that than a constant struggle to aim above a top 8 glass ceiling and the worry, frustration and uncertainty that this brings.

Good luck to all who stick with Super League. However, you were fools to yourselves and I sincerely doubt will even have a sport to follow in 10 years time. Get those buckets ready outside of the few elite sides - you'll be using them again and again.

I'm sorry to be leaving SL behind but feel relieved in a strange way. It's draining trying to convince self-interested King Canute rugby league fans that a Watership Down-style disaster awaits. You deserve it, ultimately. We reap what we sow.

Should we ever revisit the 1995 model and get serious about a stable, intense, franchised elite competition I'll be ready with cash in hand to spend on the world's greatest sport in the country that invented it but currently has not a clue how to make it profitable and enticing to investors and the wider public.

Peace out.

 

Wow, I thought I went off in a massive sulk in 1995, but that's a corker.  My 4 year old would be proud of that one. 

 

You really need to accept that, especially with regard to the "M" word, you are and always were in a tiny minority.  What you dream of will never happen to Rugby League in this country, something that I and many others are grateful for.

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hull sharks anyone?

What about them?

Is that the club that wanted to go into the NFP to regroup but weren't allowed to?

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But when will London be given a chance to BLOW IT as you say.

When have they finished bottom or not had a backer?

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I'm done, sadly. The feelgood factor of licensing - which should have evolved into fully-fledged franchising and the strategic mergers of pro sides in saturated areas and expansion into new ones - has instead given way to the heartache of a return to entrenched hierarchies, "boom and bust" clubs, boring fixtures and national indifference by way of the risible promotion/relegation model. We simply cannot escape our past in British sport. We either don't want to or are simply not brave enough. It's a great shame.

I'm looking forward to getting stuck into NRL properly. I would have much favoured following an indigenous league with a merged Hull side that I could support, being a progressive Hull KR fan. I will however watch NRL in the capacity of what the US sports pundit Bill Simmons calls an "atheist", ie with no team affiliation, merely enjoying the intensity and unpredictability of the action, as I do with the NBA. Much better that than a constant struggle to aim above a top 8 glass ceiling and the worry, frustration and uncertainty that this brings.

Good luck to all who stick with Super League. However, you were fools to yourselves and I sincerely doubt will even have a sport to follow in 10 years time. Get those buckets ready outside of the few elite sides - you'll be using them again and again.

I'm sorry to be leaving SL behind but feel relieved in a strange way. It's draining trying to convince self-interested King Canute rugby league fans that a Watership Down-style disaster awaits. You deserve it, ultimately. We reap what we sow.

Should we ever revisit the 1995 model and get serious about a stable, intense, franchised elite competition I'll be ready with cash in hand to spend on the world's greatest sport in the country that invented it but currently has not a clue how to make it profitable and enticing to investors and the wider public.

Peace out.

As I said before,don't let the door hit you on the way out.

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What about them?

Is that the club that wanted to go into the NFP to regroup but weren't allowed to?

Wellsy - I think this issue with Hull was at the height of tensions between the SL and NFP due to a series of seasons where the RFL refused entry to SL for the NFP champions (due to FTP which did not apply to SL clubs!) and Shuddersfield were kept up.

Luckily tensions subsided the year after when Widnes finally replace Shuddersfield

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There are a lot of polarised views on a limited number of subjects. People express what by now are deeply held feelings. We are on the opposite side of the debate on p&r dave.

However, I still feel comfortable enough to exchange views with you. You are never abusive. You rarely if ever use sarcasm as your preferred mode of exchange and though I reletain my 'closed' stance on this issue I'm still a happy bloke happy to discuss any aspect of the game with you - though you have to accept as ive yet to see a sl game im somewhat limited on that subject! :lol:

Keep smiling

Love n peace

i do like the odd bit of sarcasm if i'm honest :-)

The bit i struggle with on here is that very few people will concede any point whatsoever.

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i do like the odd bit of sarcasm if i'm honest :-)

The bit i struggle with on here is that very few people will concede any point whatsoever.

there's a difference between sarcastic and sardonic Dave.

 

regarding conceding points. Good point.

there are people who seem somehow proud of their 'entrenched views', so no chance of any progress there. 

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i do like the odd bit of sarcasm if i'm honest :-)

The bit i struggle with on here is that very few people will concede any point whatsoever.

Of course. Everything in moderation.

I've read both sides of what is now an epic debate for years. There appears to be little "give" on either side and I suppose we may have to accept the fact we're never going to come together on this issue at least.

And on it will go.....

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Wellsy - I think this issue with Hull was at the height of tensions between the SL and NFP due to a series of seasons where the RFL refused entry to SL for the NFP champions (due to FTP which did not apply to SL clubs!) and Shuddersfield were kept up

Just to be clear, that all happened in the first season a team (Hunslet) were denied promotion. And the APC had already declined Hull and Huddersfield's request to join the NFP before an official decision has been made on Hunslet's application to join Super League.

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