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Rugby League gets support from unexpected quarters - Marion Le Pen

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It does though. I don't want far right people at RL games. Given RLs history of black players, how could they attend and not feel hypocrites?

I don't mean everyone at RL games should hold the same viewpoint but certain views are clearly not at ease with an inclusive game like RL. Unless perhaps they look at the game and it changes their view.

How can you say RL is an inclusive game when you don't want people to attend? Are you not just being as hypocritical as them? As long as the likes of the Le Pens, Griffins et al don't use the game as a platform to spread their political views, they are as welcome as you and me to attend and talk about it.

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How can you say RL is an inclusive game when you don't want people to attend? Are you not just being as hypocritical as them? As long as the likes of the Le Pens, Griffins et al don't use the game as a platform to spread their political views, they are as welcome as you and me to attend and talk about it.

I'm not being inclusive by not wanting racists and facists at games? Don't talk soft.

There is no place in RL for such views as the far right, end of.

And if you knew that a party of say, NF activists were attending a game, simply by allowing them to attend with their views unchallenged is tantamount to a betrayal of players like Clive Sullivan.

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I'm not being inclusive by not wanting racists and facists at games? Don't talk soft.

There is no place in RL for such views as the far right, end of.

And if you knew that a party of say, NF activists were attending a game, simply by allowing them to attend with their views unchallenged is tantamount to a betrayal of players like Clive Sullivan.

Soft? Are you going to stop them using the local supermarket next?! There will be plenty of RL fans out there who believe in fascism. Are you going to hunt them out and stop them attending?

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To be honest, I really don't want socialists to attend rugby games. I'm not too happy about lib dems going, either, and definitely no UKIP or oxymoronic Socialist Workers. And as for people who like raw celery..no way should they be allowed in. Maybe it would be worth finding out who Marion is and what she stands for in the context of French local and departmental politics

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Soft? Are you going to stop them using the local supermarket next?! There will be plenty of RL fans out there who believe in fascism. Are you going to hunt them out and stop them attending?

Are there really plenty of RL fans that believe in fascism? I seriously doubt that. There will be some no doubt but that doesn't mean we start promoting ourselves as a game that is welcoming to fascists and racists - quite the opposite, we make it clear that such bigotry is not welcome.

Look at the work clubs like London Skolars are doing in inner city London and look at the make up of the children they are trying to promote the game to. Is that really compatible with people who think they should be on the next plane out of here?

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To be honest, I really don't want socialists to attend rugby games. I'm not too happy about lib dems going, either, and definitely no UKIP or oxymoronic Socialist Workers. And as for people who like raw celery..no way should they be allowed in. Maybe it would be worth finding out who Marion is and what she stands for in the context of French local and departmental politics

As I say, there's nothing wrong with having a mix of views, in fact as you can see from this board that's what we have.

But if the game were to associate itself with such people as the far right, then I for one will be out.

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You'd welcome the far left then?

I'm not being inclusive by not wanting racists and facists at games? Don't talk soft.
There is no place in RL for such views as the far right, end of.

And if you knew that a party of say, NF activists were attending a game, simply by allowing them to attend with their views unchallenged is tantamount to a betrayal of players like Clive Sullivan.

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Would you welcome supporters of the Taliban,theres plenty of those in our towns.

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Would you welcome supporters of the Taliban,theres plenty of those in our towns.

No, why would I? They too are a bunch of d-heads. Fascists and racists come in all colours.

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I wouldn't ban anyone from watching RL; I just wish they'd bog off and embarrass another sport instead.

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I wouldn't ban anyone from watching RL; I just wish they'd bog off and embarrass another sport instead.

You don't have to ban anyone. Just make it clear that certain attitudes are not welcome. They can then change their views or look elsewhere. We don't want extremists involved in RL, I know it will lead to trouble.

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If you follow @rlmeltdown, you'll know the sport is already followed by extremists - just not political extremists. :D

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I would describe myself and my political ideology as left wing socialist, I have no time for the views of Marion le pen and her party but I wouldn't dream of stopping her and her party of supporting rugby league, all the French rugby league and rugby league supporters in general need to do is state that while Marion le pen supports French rugby league, French rugby league doesn't support her or her party.

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Yeah because we won't get tainted by association. Some of the England Rugby Union squad formed some of Ernest Mosleys bodyguards in the 1930's, this still taints RU to this day. We can't afford to send mixed messages, we have to be unambiguous here. And that means dissasociating the game from such people. However rich or influential they might be.

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I wouldn't ban anyone from watching RL; I just wish they'd bog off and embarrass another sport instead.

I wouldn't have thought that calling for the World Cup to be shown on French television is embarrassing our sport, unless there's something I'm missing.

 

Part of growing up is that you realise that some people you may dislike will share some of your enthusiasms, while some people you would otherwise get on with have no truck with your hobbies and pastimes.

 

For example, I was listening to Mark Lawson's Front Row programme on Radio 4 last night, and he was saying he doesn't like Wagner because Hitler and the Nazis liked his music. Lawson is entitled to his view, but if we are going to check all our fellow enthusiasts' credentials before deciding whether to indulge our favourite sport or music or any other pastime, then we'll soon feel very lonely.

 

And we would actually be handing a great deal of power to these people we don't like, Nick Griffin et al.

 

If Marion Le Pen, who I'd never heard of before seeing this thread, wants to persuade French TV channels to broadcast World Cup games, I hope she succeeds. And, as far as I'm concerned, she can even turn up to cheer on the French team without asking for permission from me or anyone else on this forum.

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Yeah because we won't get tainted by association. Some of the England Rugby Union squad formed some of Ernest Mosleys bodyguards in the 1930's, this still taints RU to this day. We can't afford to send mixed messages, we have to be unambiguous here. And that means dissasociating the game from such people. However rich or influential they might be.

If it was Ernest Mosley, rather than Oswald, then they probably picked the right guy to bodyguard.

 

It may taint rugby union in your mind, and in mine, but the majority of people either within or without rugby union are probably blissfully unaware of this historical titbit.

 

I doubt whether any of our rugby union contributors on this forum would feel tainted by it. And why should they?

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The only way to stop any extremism is through effective argument - not through banning or exclusion (as long as people are inside the law).

Show them we are an inclusive sport and we may just win some hearts and minds.

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I don't mind Marion Le Pen watching RL games. When you look at where FN support is concentrated, it's fair to guess she won't be the pnly person affiliated with the party who supports RL.

However, I most certainly don't want her to piggyback on the game to curry favour, nor do I want her as a mouthpiece for the game's rights. That will offend far more people than it attracts.

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I wouldn't have thought that calling for the World Cup to be shown on French television is embarrassing our sport, unless there's something I'm missing.

 

Part of growing up is that you realise that some people you may dislike will share some of your enthusiasms, while some people you would otherwise get on with have no truck with your hobbies and pastimes.

 

For example, I was listening to Mark Lawson's Front Row programme on Radio 4 last night, and he was saying he doesn't like Wagner because Hitler and the Nazis liked his music. Lawson is entitled to his view, but if we are going to check all our fellow enthusiasts' credentials before deciding whether to indulge our favourite sport or music or any other pastime, then we'll soon feel very lonely.

 

And we would actually be handing a great deal of power to these people we don't like, Nick Griffin et al.

 

If Marion Le Pen, who I'd never heard of before seeing this thread, wants to persuade French TV channels to broadcast World Cup games, I hope she succeeds. And, as far as I'm concerned, she can even turn up to cheer on the French team without asking for permission from me or anyone else on this forum.

 

Yes all of this I agree with, I too thought that Mark Lawson's comments were a little strange.  If Wagner was good enough for Endeavour Morse then why not Lawson?

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You'd welcome the far left then?

 

What's not to welcome about the far left?

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What's not to welcome about the far left?

Can you get 90,000 of them to fill Wembley for the World Cup semi-finals?

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I don't mind Marion Le Pen watching RL games. When you look at where FN support is concentrated, it's fair to guess she won't be the pnly person affiliated with the party who supports RL.

However, I most certainly don't want her to piggyback on the game to curry favour, nor do I want her as a mouthpiece for the game's rights. That will offend far more people than it attracts.

If she reads this forum I'm sure she'll take note, and I'm sure she will try very hard not to offend you.

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If it was Ernest Mosley, rather than Oswald, then they probably picked the right guy to bodyguard.

It may taint rugby union in your mind, and in mine, but the majority of people either within or without rugby union are probably blissfully unaware of this historical titbit.

I doubt whether any of our rugby union contributors on this forum would feel tainted by it. And why should they?

So what if they are blissfully unaware? Its still true. And its not that obscure either, ever heard the quote about how you set back British fascism by a generation? And I wasn't suggesting any current RU fans should feel guilty, merely pointing out the mud sticks angle.

Tell you what Martyn, next time you are at a function with some of RL's black players, suggest to them it is fair game to tolerate anyone as long as they are RL fans. And do you think politicians would do anything to promote anything if they didn't see a benefit for them?

Sorry but being a vaguely decent human being comes first to me, RL fan second.

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What's not to welcome about the far left?

Extreme left wing regimes have been responsible for the the largest scale mass murder known to man.

They often have a disregard for human rights and generally are intolerant.

They tend to lean towards to totalitarianism in a very extreme manner.

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