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I personally think a couple of Workingtons players could have a go at SL. Elliot Miller has a lot of potential and maybe Brett Phillips.

Not a good friend of Yere clearly but if you read the league express you can pick up these bits of information.

If you look on the 'General rugby league' forum on this site in a fairly recent thread you'll see that some Featherstone players have turned down approaches from SL clubs.

If you want evidence of Talaupapa I'll find an article if you must.

Your saying no Championship player near the top end is good enough for SL. Then again Chris Hill, Alex Walmsley and Hardaker have done awful.

No I'm not saying no championship player is good enough. Where did I say that?

You make stuff up skid face.

I do read league express, it's like any other paper where stuff is mentioned and it's not always true!

Why do you keep changing the story? We're discussing sheff players and you start parping on about worky.

Fact is skid face, you talk utter tripe and just rattle on regardless, fair play to you, you obviously believe in your own opinion more than the concensious of this forum. Walneyboy seems intelligent and I believe he may have references to a theory previously mentioned by him which sums you up?

Spend less time reading league express and more time reading the referees guide book.

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Just to add my "pennyworth" there is such a lot of negativity in these postings and the way you lot run down players is beyond belief.

 

Then you bemoan the fact that Sheffield have a good squad and must be fiddling the books to have such a good team.............. that is a sign of jealousy.......

Every player at Sheffield is offered a contract with simple win, loss payments incorporated into some other form, which I am not privy to , BUT every player goes to the club with "you can play here if you want to............. we are not a club who want ego chasers, if you don't like the terms, do not bother........."  We have excellent corporate support.

 

Ask any of the players why they play for the club and you will get the same answer............more or less on the lines of.......(and this is a quote from a player) ........well its not for the money, it is such a friendly family club.............. how do you get players such as ex-super-league players such as Hendo (80+ appearances for Eagles), Brambani (99 appearances for Eagles),  Stringer (230+ appearances), Higgins (40+) .... then Green (100+ app), Yere (120+), Taulapapa (90+), QLT (70), Hirst (92) playing and staying................. consistency and happiness.............. give us a break

 

Let Holty build on the local talent. He and the board knew it would not be easy. He is, along with Akko, trying hard to get young blood ,moving in the right direction. It will come. When we reformed in 1999, it took time. We have stuck with Tubby for 14 years as coach and we are getting there. Why not stop running Raiders down. One day a good day at the office will be had, and I personally do not think it is that far away.

 

Rant over 

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whose the sl team phillips turned down then :shout: stack is nowhere near sl material barely know hes on the pitch when ive seen him.houghton has already been at a sl club wonky so your wrong AGAIN.

even if he has been at a super league club, then its even more obvious that hes not sl quality as hes not playing it anymore, just as the town lads who have played super league, there just not good enough anymore or they wouldnt have dropped down. our pack owns yours each and everytime we play you so how can you possibly say stacks not noticeable, now get back to sleep and carry on your dreaming.

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No I'm not saying no championshup player is good enough. Where did I say that?

You make stuff up skid face.

I do read league express, it's like any other paper where stuff is mentioned and it's not always true!

Why do you keep changing the story? We're discussing sheff players and you start parping on about worky.

Fact is skid face, you talk utter tripe and just rattle on regardless, fair play to you, you obviously believe in your own opinion more than the concensious of this forum. Walneyboy seems intelligent and I believe he may have references to a theory previously mentioned by him which sums you up?

Spend less time reading league express and more time reading the referees guide book.

I'll but it more simply for you then.

I think the difference between a team full of Championship standard players and a team full of SL players is 50 points. I came up with that estimate due to previous games between SL sides and Championship teams in the challenge cup. Workington got beat by less than 50 due to having a few SL quality players in their side. That's where that came from. I didn't change the story.

You didn't say no Championship player is good enough for SL, but you think that none of Sheffields best players are good enough for SL. Sheffield are one of the best sides in the competition so if you think none of their players are good enough I assumed that you believed no one was. Especially when you questioned that any SL clubs would be interested in Featherstone players.

You can choose to believe whatever source you want but it came from the small section which has a story about every Championship club. When writing about Barrow they have rarely got it wrong.

At least dont resort to name calling thats just not needed.

I was only trying to make the point that Holty shouldnt be

sacked on the back of a defeat to a quality Championship

side in a game we didnt need to win.

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Eagleraider .. It's a tiny minority of so called supporters on this forum who run the team down .. Who give their so called opinions and are quick to slate anyone who dares to have a different opinion to them . That's why it's the same old names . The MAJORITY of raiders supporters are fully behind the lads .. And ok .. We all have our own things to say and it's a Shame we can't voice them on here .. Good luck in the challenge cup .. Really think u have a good chance of beating London :)

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Well said Alias and I agree with Nigel (Eagle Raider). Also what a pity that this Forum is again being hi jacked by name callers, insults and those that are incapable of setting out  reasoned arguments. 

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I am very aware that there are many Raiders fanatics and a minority of "stirrers", as is on so many forums. Michael knows that I am an avid Raider supporter, except when Eagles are playing, and started watching Barrow in 1968, so I feel that the trials and tribulations we have been through at Sheffield are unfortunately far to common place in many teams, depending on the heirachy and their organisation. Barrow have had their ups and downs and I believe for the first time in a good number of years that there is light at the end of the tunnel. Stability is such a key word and with Holty, Phil and the present board, I think that light is getting brighter. Patience is a virtue and unfortunately there does appear to be far too many impatient "fans". They are not supporters, more glory boys. No-one wants to see a squad struggle, certainly not the coach, but let me just use Eagles as an example (for obvious reasons!!). Our directors have been the same ones since we reformed, (1999) thanks go to Barrow there as well, our coach has been the same since we reformed, we have not had journeymen players out for a quick quid, and we are trying to get our local lads through the scholarship and Academy system, with local players as much as possible. Barrow have loads of local talent, imo a bloody good coaching team and now a board who want to work for the club. Success is not something which happens overnight, but the one thing in Eagles favour, again in my opinion, is that we have not had a sugar-daddy pouring money into a bottomless pit. 

We had 69 days (nearly 10 weeks ) without a home game, just when we needed income, like all other clubs, AND SURVIVED. The RFL have to take responsibility for their continual "couldn't organise a ###### up in a brewery" and should look at cash flow problems for the smaller clubs. Since 1st April, Eagles played 8 and only 2 of those away and supporters who are not season-ticket holders are having to look at their expenditure v carefully with them all together. At least alternate weeks give everyone a chance.

 

Raiders will survive, it may be hard at times, but support the coach and board, don't slag them off continually.

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"Raiders will survive, it may be hard at times, but support the coach and board, don't slag them off continually."

Well said :).

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Reading some of the posts on this forum make me laugh! All criticising other people's comments! And tbh I agree with some comments about championship players can get into super league! Menzie yere would easily get into the likes of London! Look at Hardaker and Hill! First teamers for top teams! Anyway back on to the game yesterday, we can play these "good performances" for 10/20 minutes but these 10/20 minutes performances arent getting us the result! I think haven away this weekend is another must win game otherwise are heads will drop, bonus point at the least!

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No back to one Dave Houghton was released when Widnes were a championship club and he could barely get a game for them and is nowhere near good enough for superleague. He isnt a patch on Jamie Acton as a potential higher league player

And its true Brett Phillips did turn a superleague team down and has never lost a west cumbrian derby in a town shirt either!!

 

I was told from someone that knows Brett personally that he had a chance of a contract with Wigan, before he signed for town, the lad has a good job at Sellafield which was a big factor in his decision to stay at home,which would make signing for town the obvious choice.

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I'll but it more simply for you then.

I think the difference between a team full of Championship standard players and a team full of SL players is 50 points. I came up with that estimate due to previous games between SL sides and Championship teams in the challenge cup. Workington got beat by less than 50 due to having a few SL quality players in their side. That's where that came from. I didn't change the story.

 

only 3 championship sides this year have been beaten by over 50 by SL opposition in CC this year, leigh at Wigan, York at cataln and keighley home to warrington.

You didn't say no Championship player is good enough for SL, but you think that none of Sheffields best players are good enough for SL. Sheffield are one of the best sides in the competition so if you think none of their players are good enough I assumed that you believed no one was. Especially when you questioned that any SL clubs would be interested in Featherstone players.

 

if i dont believe the 5 individuals you named from sheffield are good enough doesnt mean i dont think other players arent, liam harrison, kurt hag as examples play for the us, the bottom side in Championship and i think they could do a job in SL.

You can choose to believe whatever source you want but it came from the small section which has a story about every Championship club. When writing about Barrow they have rarely got it wrong.

At least dont resort to name calling thats just not needed.

I was only trying to make the point that Holty shouldnt be

sacked on the back of a defeat to a quality Championship

side in a game we didnt need to win.

no name calling going on either, stop acting the victim

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At least somet good came out of the game, no injuries from what we know

 

and its one less game for us to have to play, a few of the lesser sides in ths championship have a game in the 1/4 finals so we get a rest that weekend, chances are, one of the sides might play a game on the sunday in northern rail then have a league game on the thursday.

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I know it is not a pretty sight but if you go to http://www.eaglestv.co.uk/ you can see our tries (and Raiders) but essentially the tackling done by Raiders. In many cases it is good, but when confronted with a fast approaching attack the players do tend to either fall off tackles or not even attempt them. They appear (to me) to be afraid of the contact. In other instances the lads go in strong and make strong tackles. Defensive tackles near to the try line are the worrying type, considering this was allegedly what had been worked on prior to the game. The two tries were well taken, only shame they were not under the posts like 10 of the Eagles tries!

 

 

Penalties: Sheffield Eagles (3) 8 Barrow Raiders (2) 4

Scrums: Sheffield Eagles (4) 5 Barrow Raiders (5) 8

Drop Outs : Sheffield Eagles (0) 2 Barrow Raiders (0) 2

Penalties given away by Raiders were for ball stripping, holding down, interference at play of the ball, high tackles, "spear" tackle, off-side.

 

Interchanges: Raiders(By squad no)

18 min: 18 off - 13 on; 16 off - 15 on

25 min: 9 off – 19 on

30 min: 25 off – 16 on

41 min: 11 off – 18 on

49 min: 15 off – 25 on

64 min: Mossop off – Marwood on

76 min: 9 off – 19 on

 

As I said to morty,  Raiders woke up after 18 mins and being 24 - 0 down started playing some decent rugby. Unfortunately after giving Eagles a penalty or a "spear" tackle on 44 mins Raiders started losing shape and Eagles regrouped and Yere went in for an easy try after some woe-ful attempts at tackling. The same pattern appeared after 53 mins when Raiders were penalised and Eagles went in for try no. 6.  2 mins later, another penalty to Eagles and another try. Raiders heads went down until the 65th min when Raiders were awarded a penalty for a sloppy ankle hold by Eagles. A minute later after a good kick and catch Raiders Lowe had scored. 3 mins later one of the few scrums awarded, for a knok on and Raiders made ground and scored again. Silly play by Raiders gave Eagles another penalty for a high tackle  and the momentum swung away from raiders and eagles went in for 2 more tries. It was a good job the hooter sounded shortly after this as another penalty had been awarded against Raiders for ball stealing and that was the end of the embarrassment for Raiders.

 

Some of the players really need to take a good look at themselves and ask themselves why were they not doing what the coaches had asked of them. Some of the lads, and this is very subjective, did do and worked hard and did double the work of others.

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because hes the coach??

surely he has to have an idea of the level of player he can sign?

No - how would he know what Barrow was paying ?

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