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Tories are not Swivel-Eyed Loons...

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I think all this kerfuffle has been very insulting to loons. The loons I have met are nothing like swivel-eyed Tories.

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poor old Norm, he only wants things like they used to be "the rich man in his castle, the poor man at his gate, god made then high and lowly and ordered their estate"

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poor old Norm, he only wants things like they used to be "the rich man in his castle, the poor man at his gate, god made then high and lowly and ordered their estate"

 

That quote sums up for me what traditional conservatism stands for; never calling into question the status quo. Change has always been an anathema to traditional Tory paternalistic values. 

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That quote sums up for me what traditional conservatism stands for; never calling into question the status quo. Change has always been an anathema to traditional Tory paternalistic values. 

 

That's true. Until Maggie they didn't believe in anything in particular except being in power. Labour changed the way things were radically in this country in 1945, and when the Tories got in again in 1951, they just carried on running the Labour settlement. Maggie wanted change and that's when the Tories got an ideology.  It'll be the death of them!

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poor old Norm, he only wants things like they used to be "the rich man in his castle, the poor man at his gate, god made then high and lowly and ordered their estate"

Unlikely, he was hardly born into riches.

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Norman Tebbit is an 82-year-old man who has been taking care of his paralysed wife since 1984.

 

The article below, written 25 years after the Grand Hotel bomb, is an interview with her, illustrating quite well, I think, what he has had to go through since then. Interesting to see that his wife worked as a nurse until the date the bomb went off, while Tebbit himself had been an active union official in his younger days. Not a traditional Tory background!

 

I suspect that Tebbit is right, and that the government didn't think through the ramifications of its legislation. But which government ever does?

 

Given the emotional pressure he must feel, though, and given that his wife is now apparently suffering a mental as well as physical decline, I think he deserves a little slack.

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/terrorism-in-the-uk/6622798/Lord-Tebbits-wife-Margaret-Norman-and-I-dont-have-time-to-cry.html

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Norman Tebbit is an 82-year-old man who has been taking care of his paralysed wife since 1984.

 

The article below, written 25 years after the Grand Hotel bomb, is an interview with her, illustrating quite well, I think, what he has had to go through since then. Interesting to see that his wife worked as a nurse until the date the bomb went off, while Tebbit himself had been an active union official in his younger days. Not a traditional Tory background!

 

I suspect that Tebbit is right, and that the government didn't think through the ramifications of its legislation. But which government ever does?

 

Given the emotional pressure he must feel, though, and given that his wife is now apparently suffering a mental as well as physical decline, I think he deserves a little slack.

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/terrorism-in-the-uk/6622798/Lord-Tebbits-wife-Margaret-Norman-and-I-dont-have-time-to-cry.html

 

The situation regarding his wife is totally irrelevant and should not excuse him of any criticism. That is a cheap shot.

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The situation regarding his wife is totally irrelevant and should not excuse him of any criticism. That is a cheap shot.

 

Quite.

 

In another man it would have released compassion and empathy.

 

Tebbit deserves sympathy for his personal situation but not whining excuses for his opinions.

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Quite.

 

In another man it would have released compassion and empathy.

 

Tebbit deserves sympathy for his personal situation but not whining excuses for his opinions.

 

It certainly elicits compassion and empathy from me.   Norman Tebbit has had a remarkable and difficult life.  Stepping away from front line politics to look after his wife was a deeply impressive thing to do.

 

He still talks out of his ###### though.

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The situation regarding his wife is totally irrelevant and should not excuse him of any criticism. That is a cheap shot.

Are you real?

 

And what on earth do you mean by "a cheap shot"?

 

If you had just said that someone's opinions can't be excused by their personal circumstances, that would be perfectly reasonable. But your comment combines pomposity and heartlessness. Not a good combination!

 

Tebbit's point, incidentally, although expressed with language you wouldn't normally expect from him, and which I would guess his personal pressures had something to do with, was that the was that the government has not thought through the ramifications of this piece of legislation.

 

I think he's right on that, and I think you can say it about many pieces of legislation this government has enacted.

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although expressed with language you wouldn't normally expect from him, 

 

It's entirely in keeping with language he has used before.

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Are you real?

 

And what on earth do you mean by "a cheap shot"?

 

If you had just said that someone's opinions can't be excused by their personal circumstances, that would be perfectly reasonable. But your comment combines pomposity and heartlessness. Not a good combination!

 

Tebbit's point, incidentally, although expressed with language you wouldn't normally expect from him, and which I would guess his personal pressures had something to do with, was that the was that the government has not thought through the ramifications of this piece of legislation.

 

I think he's right on that, and I think you can say it about many pieces of legislation this government has enacted.

Which ramifications of the gay marriage legislation do you think the government hasn't considered?

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When you look back at the history of royal succession, lesbian IVF babies are the least of it.

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Everyone knows the rumours about a more recent member of the Royal Family ... it has more skeletons in it than most.

 

If Tebbit was so bothered by this DNA business then he'd presumably want, now that technology is available, for heirs to the throne to be genetically tested to make sure they are actually related to the monarch.

 

Looking at the current bunch, I think we can be sure as far as Prince William.  After that, well..

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If Tebbit was so bothered by this DNA business then he'd presumably want, now that technology is available, for heirs to the throne to be genetically tested to make sure they are actually related to the monarch.

 

Looking at the current bunch, I think we can be sure as far as Prince William.  After that, well..

 

I'm personally outraged that Princess the Divine Kate is not even a second cousin of the man she married.

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Queen Victoria

http://www.femalefirst.co.uk/royal_family/Queen+Victoria+illegitimate-52311.html

Everyone knows the rumours about a more recent member of the Royal Family ... it has more skeletons in it than most.

 

 

I everything in here:

http://www.randomhouse.co.uk/editions/war-of-the-windsors-a-century-of-unconstitutional-monarchy/9781840186314

is to be believed, any more skeletons and they'll run out of closets.

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Are you real?

And what on earth do you mean by "a cheap shot"?

If you had just said that someone's opinions can't be excused by their personal circumstances, that would be perfectly reasonable. But your comment combines pomposity and heartlessness. Not a good combination!

Tebbit's point, incidentally, although expressed with language you wouldn't normally expect from him, and which I would guess his personal pressures had something to do with, was that the was that the government has not thought through the ramifications of this piece of legislation.

I think he's right on that, and I think you can say it about many pieces of legislation this government has enacted.

What happened to Tebbit, his wife and the other people who were victims of the Brighton bomb was an atrocity. It would be inhuman not to have compassion for him his wife and the others. But that doesn't mean that people have to accept his views, find them repulsive even, and to say so.

Perhaps what makes your comment a 'cheap shot'- I don't necessarily agree that it is, is that you have introduced it for no relevant reason. I don't think it valid to give people's views credibility purely on the basis of feeling sorry for them regarding an entirely irrelevant incident

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Are you real?

And what on earth do you mean by "a cheap shot"?

If you had just said that someone's opinions can't be excused by their personal circumstances, that would be perfectly reasonable. But your comment combines pomposity and heartlessness. Not a good combination!

Tebbit's point, incidentally, although expressed with language you wouldn't normally expect from him, and which I would guess his personal pressures had something to do with, was that the was that the government has not thought through the ramifications of this piece of legislation.

I think he's right on that, and I think you can say it about many pieces of legislation this government has enacted.

Strewth. Tebbitts personal situation has nothing to do with his political statements which should be challenged, as anyone else's would be, without worrying of being seen of picking on a man in a vulnerable state.

Edited to make my point clearer.

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Strewth. Tebbitts personal situation has nothing to do with his political statements and should be challenged, as anyone else's would be, without worrying of being seen of picking on a man in a vulnerable state.

 

Severus, I take it you don't mean what you have posted here; at least, I hope that is the case.

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Severus, I take it you don't mean what you have posted here; at least, I hope that is the case.

I don't follow. What I am saying is that his personal situation is irrelevant to this discussion.

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Are you real?

And what on earth do you mean by "a cheap shot"?

If you had just said that someone's opinions can't be excused by their personal circumstances, that would be perfectly reasonable. But your comment combines pomposity and heartlessness. Not a good combination!

Tebbit's point, incidentally, although expressed with language you wouldn't normally expect from him, and which I would guess his personal pressures had something to do with, was that the was that the government has not thought through the ramifications of this piece of legislation.

I think he's right on that, and I think you can say it about many pieces of legislation this government has enacted.

I object to the accusation of heartlessness and pomposity. I think it is crass to bring up his personal situation in a discussion where it bears no relevance.

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I don't follow. What I am saying is that his personal situation is irrelevant to this discussion.

 

Your first sentence reads that his personal situation should be challenged. "Personal situation" is still the subject noun phrase in the second part of the sentence because of the way you worded it. HTH

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