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Is anyone in favour of a national stadium for rugby league?

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How many games a year are you going to play at this mythical stadium ?

It's not just the cost of building it - you have to pay the running costs after it's built. The repairs and running costs are the reason Don Valley's going to be demolished.

We could have as many events as we could muster. The point is that money would be staying in the game as opposed to going to soccer clubs.

Does anyone have a rough idea of the money spent hiring other sports stadia every season?

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I'd love to see our own stadium built in Bradford. We can move the Challenge Cup away from Wembley, our only successful venture down south. Then we can move the Grand Final away from Old Trafford, our only successful venture in Manchester. So that's our two most important cities, and our two biggest expansion targets, crossed off the list. Follow it up by selling Red Hall and moving all the RFL offices to Odsal as well.

We'll be well on our way to becoming the Northern Union. What a fantastic vision for the future of our sport.

Nothing wrong with having your mecca of the game in the north. Its the other bits that need fixing like realising it is a nationwide sport.

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Nothing wrong with having your mecca of the game in the north. Its the other bits that need fixing like realising it is a nationwide sport.

So there's nothing wrong with taking the Cup Final from Wembley?

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I can't ever see the figures stacking up for an RFL national stadium, well not one large enough to host the games major finals.

 

But I'd like to think given the RFLs involvement at Odsal that they've at least cast an eye over the figures to see what, if any savings could be made by relocating there operation from Redhall to Odsal and making it an administrative centre for the game.  Perhaps even think about an RFL run heritage centre on site as well.

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But I'd like to think given the RFLs involvement at Odsal that they've at least cast an eye over the figures to see what, if any savings could be made by relocating there operation from Redhall to Odsal and making it an administrative centre for the game.  Perhaps even think about an RFL run heritage centre on site as well.

 

They should move to Media City rather than Odsal. A heritage centre there would attract more people than anywhere else.

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So there's nothing wrong with taking the Cup Final from Wembley?

Yes there are problems with that. I wouldn't actually like to see that BUT we have to decide if it might be better for the game ultimately.

But its unlikely to ever happen anyway.

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A national stadium doesn't have to be about the "big" games though - it could be something on a far smaller scale but with more purpose.

 

For instance, how about a Rugby League version of the FA's St Georges Park, albeit not on the same scale?

 

Here I'd be looking at something that has a couple of grass pitches, a full size 3G, a sports hall/tent, gym and a mini stadium with approx. 4,000 capacity - big enough for large amateur finals, friendlies etc.

 

The benefits of this are that it gives the full England team a high-quality training base, but a facility that can also be accessed by SL/Championship clubs pre-season/pre-match, can be accessed by other sports, can be attractive to a third party commercial provider (eg. gym, sports hall, major investor in form of a hotel chain etc.) You then end up with a facility that has commercial revenues 365 days of the year, as well as having the hotel, training services required to support England/club teams.

 

Strategically located the venue is used every other week as the base for Catalans in the UK. During the off-season it does Christmas parties. Mid-week it gets the business trade etc etc.

 

There are plenty of facilities close to this already in the heartlands - Leigh Sport Village being a good example - but the opportunity exists here to partner with say, a university or an ambitious local authority, without getting into the realms of a budget that enters the tens of millions of pounds.

 

Where to put it?

 

North (of) London - up the capacity to 10k (temporary stands) and you have a centrally funded, but sustainable venue for the London Broncos.

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Don't we get our two games at Wembley (per year) for mates rates as that was part of the deal for it getting public funding.

 

It is, as everyone forgets, technically the national stadium for soccer and rugby league.

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A national stadium doesn't have to be about the "big" games though - it could be something on a far smaller scale but with more purpose.

 

For instance, how about a Rugby League version of the FA's St Georges Park, albeit not on the same scale?

 

A great idea!

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Don't we get our two games at Wembley (per year) for mates rates as that was part of the deal for it getting public funding.

It is, as everyone forgets, technically the national stadium for soccer and rugby league.

Except realistically.....its the national soccer stadium to virtually everyone. People might know we have the CC final there but to almost everyone its our national soccer stadium.

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A national stadium doesn't have to be about the "big" games though - it could be something on a far smaller scale but with more purpose.

 

For instance, how about a Rugby League version of the FA's St Georges Park, albeit not on the same scale?

 

Here I'd be looking at something that has a couple of grass pitches, a full size 3G, a sports hall/tent, gym and a mini stadium with approx. 4,000 capacity - big enough for large amateur finals, friendlies etc.

 

The benefits of this are that it gives the full England team a high-quality training base, but a facility that can also be accessed by SL/Championship clubs pre-season/pre-match, can be accessed by other sports, can be attractive to a third party commercial provider (eg. gym, sports hall, major investor in form of a hotel chain etc.) You then end up with a facility that has commercial revenues 365 days of the year, as well as having the hotel, training services required to support England/club teams.

 

Strategically located the venue is used every other week as the base for Catalans in the UK. During the off-season it does Christmas parties. Mid-week it gets the business trade etc etc.

 

There are plenty of facilities close to this already in the heartlands - Leigh Sport Village being a good example - but the opportunity exists here to partner with say, a university or an ambitious local authority, without getting into the realms of a budget that enters the tens of millions of pounds.

 

Where to put it?

 

North (of) London - up the capacity to 10k (temporary stands) and you have a centrally funded, but sustainable venue for the London Broncos.

 

Have you considered running the RFL?

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Except realistically.....its the national soccer stadium to virtually everyone. People might know we have the CC final there but to almost everyone its our national soccer stadium.

 

The more important line was the top one.

 

I'm sure at the time it was built it was shown there was an obligation to play 2 matches there a year (tied to Club Wembley benefits).  The CC Final is always one.

 

I'm wondering what it costs us, if anything, to do that.

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A national stadium doesn't have to be about the "big" games though - it could be something on a far smaller scale but with more purpose.

 

For instance, how about a Rugby League version of the FA's St Georges Park, albeit not on the same scale?

 

Here I'd be looking at something that has a couple of grass pitches, a full size 3G, a sports hall/tent, gym and a mini stadium with approx. 4,000 capacity - big enough for large amateur finals, friendlies etc.

 

The benefits of this are that it gives the full England team a high-quality training base, but a facility that can also be accessed by SL/Championship clubs pre-season/pre-match, can be accessed by other sports, can be attractive to a third party commercial provider (eg. gym, sports hall, major investor in form of a hotel chain etc.) You then end up with a facility that has commercial revenues 365 days of the year, as well as having the hotel, training services required to support England/club teams.

 

Strategically located the venue is used every other week as the base for Catalans in the UK. During the off-season it does Christmas parties. Mid-week it gets the business trade etc etc.

 

There are plenty of facilities close to this already in the heartlands - Leigh Sport Village being a good example - but the opportunity exists here to partner with say, a university or an ambitious local authority, without getting into the realms of a budget that enters the tens of millions of pounds.

 

Where to put it?

 

North (of) London - up the capacity to 10k (temporary stands) and you have a centrally funded, but sustainable venue for the London Broncos.

 

Sounds just like the centre of excellence in Leigh to me, or maybe not.

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Have you considered running the RFL?

 

I agree; the RFL Chief Executive!

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Don't we get our two games at Wembley (per year) for mates rates as that was part of the deal for it getting public funding.

 

It is, as everyone forgets, technically the national stadium for soccer and rugby league.

You'd be hard pressed to find more than a few people who do know that.  As far as most people are concerned, it's a football stadium that's grudgingly opened up to other activities.

 

A separate national stadium for RL would either be a massive white elephant of a stadium that's little more than a money drain or an inadequate venue that's little, if any, better than what we have now in the club grounds.  Surely it would have to be the ground for finals as well as internationals therefore would need to take 30k as an absolute, scraped minimum and realistically 40k to make it a viable option, then you have to consider it's fitness for other sports, concerts, etc. to lease.  It's worth remembering that unless the stadium at least pays for itself then funding for it needs to come from somewhere.  A good comparison would be the Welsh RU who still painfully struggle to keep up with the bills on their massive stadium despite filling it at least 3-4 times a year with RU internationals with the inevitable knock-on effects on sport-wide funding.

 

Then there's location.  It really has to be up north somewhere, putting it near London does two things: first makes it difficult for the bulk of RL people to get to and makes the land prices, planning and build costs idiotically high.  There's no point having a national stadium for a sport if its location gives people another excuse to not attend international games.

 

I'm strongly in favour of keeping leasing big grounds with the occasional trip to Wembley.  We need to be realistic in that we can't afford to build and own a big, top-end stadium, we get the benefits of that by leasing a ground with none of the pitfalls of having to actually own one.

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You'd be hard pressed to find more than a few people who do know that.  As far as most people are concerned, it's a football stadium that's grudgingly opened up to other activities.

 

A separate national stadium for RL would either be a massive white elephant of a stadium that's little more than a money drain or an inadequate venue that's little, if any, better than what we have now in the club grounds.  Surely it would have to be the ground for finals as well as internationals therefore would need to take 30k as an absolute, scraped minimum and realistically 40k to make it a viable option, then you have to consider it's fitness for other sports, concerts, etc. to lease.  It's worth remembering that unless the stadium at least pays for itself then funding for it needs to come from somewhere.  A good comparison would be the Welsh RU who still painfully struggle to keep up with the bills on their massive stadium despite filling it at least 3-4 times a year with RU internationals with the inevitable knock-on effects on sport-wide funding.

 

Then there's location.  It really has to be up north somewhere, putting it near London does two things: first makes it difficult for the bulk of RL people to get to and makes the land prices, planning and build costs idiotically high.  There's no point having a national stadium for a sport if its location gives people another excuse to not attend international games.

 

I'm strongly in favour of keeping leasing big grounds with the occasional trip to Wembley.  We need to be realistic in that we can't afford to build and own a big, top-end stadium, we get the benefits of that by leasing a ground with none of the pitfalls of having to actually own one.

 

But, again, the issue is more - what exactly are we tied into with Wembley and what does it cost?  It is our stadium even if no one knows that.

 

If we have to put two games there each year, which is my memory of the arrangement, then it makes a national stadium along anything other than Jonty's award-winning suggestion a bit pointless.

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More than happy with Wembley (the agreement's for one game a year) and Old Trafford.

 

Many thanks.

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Seem to think that the agreement at Wembley is for one flagship game per year (unspecified which) that is also a Club Wembley event, but the agreement may or may not have been renegotiated since for all we know - bear in mind it was probably pre-Richard Lewis and a very different RFL that was involved.

 

Internationals and other flagship events don't really need a national stadium. Go down the cricket route and put these out to tender. We've seen how successful this can be with the buy in from local authorities that the RLWC 2013 has had. You then can ultimately work towards a situation where much of the operational costs of test matches etc. have been covered before a ball has been passed via local authority investment. You then also have the local mailing and marketing clout of the authority to promote the event and get bums on seats.

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The RFL own Odsal so why not? The Challenge Cup and the Grand Final and big yorkshire derbies could be played there eve Magic Weekend.

Leeds would be the best place for the stadium, the largest rugby league city in the uk. Seems as there is no major stadium in yorkshire im sure revenue would come in for rock concerts and other sports.

yorkshire SL clubs can't even get their own grounds up to standard so why have a national RL stadium in that god forsaken county???

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Seem to think that the agreement at Wembley is for one flagship game per year (unspecified which) that is also a Club Wembley event, but the agreement may or may not have been renegotiated since for all we know - bear in mind it was probably pre-Richard Lewis and a very different RFL that was involved.

 

Internationals and other flagship events don't really need a national stadium. Go down the cricket route and put these out to tender. We've seen how successful this can be with the buy in from local authorities that the RLWC 2013 has had. You then can ultimately work towards a situation where much of the operational costs of test matches etc. have been covered before a ball has been passed via local authority investment. You then also have the local mailing and marketing clout of the authority to promote the event and get bums on seats.

I've just been reading a Club Wembley brochure.  The flagship game is given as "the Rugby League Cup Final".

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yorkshire SL clubs can't even get their own grounds up to standard so why have a national RL stadium in that god forsaken county???

Just to ###### you off. :biggrin:

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Jonty has it spot on with his suggestion for a National Rugby League Centre.

 

IIRC there was a similar plan for Red Hall but it wasn't big enough, hence the football (not RL) pitches on the land out the back. No idea how much you'd get for selling that site but it would go some way towards Jonty's masterplan. Throw in some Lottery funding (every other sport seems to have a publicly-funded high performance centre of some sort) and we're getting there.

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Internationals and other flagship events don't really need a national stadium. Go down the cricket route and put these out to tender. We've seen how successful this can be with the buy in from local authorities that the RLWC 2013 has had. You then can ultimately work towards a situation where much of the operational costs of test matches etc. have been covered before a ball has been passed via local authority investment. You then also have the local mailing and marketing clout of the authority to promote the event and get bums on seats.

 

You are on fire this morning!!

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Jonty has it spot on with his suggestion for a National Rugby League Centre.

 

It is a good idea.

 

Being rugby league people in [insert place] will immediate ##### about its location because [insert place] isn't rugby league enough and the RFL are only doing to ensure [insert section of the game] are bribed into agreeing with them all the time.

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