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So that was the large hairy brute!

Remember though Mark, this and other signings to melake our squad more independent from the wire d/r situation is NOT a good thing!

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So that was the large hairy brute!

Remember though Mark, this and other signings to melake our squad more independent from the wire d/r situation is NOT a good thing!

 

What you are witnessing is not a "change in strategy" from Swinton Lions in regard to the Partnership with Warrington, rather these signings have been done out of necessity due to flaws in the club's approach.

 

By putting such a heavy reliance on Warrington players yet not being able to retain a number of them, Swinton Lions has rendered itself so short of players that its had to draft in a handful of unproven youngsters very late in the day in order to raise a side for the second half of the season.

 

Thats all it is!

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We must not in any way give credit where it is due nor be encouraging or enthusiastic and all changes must result in instant success. 

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What you are witnessing is not a "change in strategy" from Swinton Lions in regard to the Partnership with Warrington, rather these signings have been done out of necessity due to flaws in the club's approach.

By putting such a heavy reliance on Warrington players yet not being able to retain a number of them, Swinton Lions has rendered itself so short of players that its had to draft in a handful of unproven youngsters very late in the day in order to raise a side for the second half of the season.

Thats all it is!

Samir played for tweed head seagulls

A quick googling reveals he was playing in teams containing players of NRL quality .

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Unproven youngsters aren't the future Mark. Perhaps we should assemble a team full of old has beens, or maybe break the bank and bring some 'big name' players in. Oh wait a minute, there's nothing in the bank!

Not withstanding the rumour I heard pre season that Steve Mc was struggling to sign anyone, you're damned if you do and damned if you dont!

Just a srum half to pick up now........

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Just had another look on the computer and I see Samirs been playing at South Wales this season although he does appear to be localish...studied at Salford uni.

 

Our coach does need to turn it around this weekend as do the players. The distinct lack of effort against Fax was a worry.

 

The new signings of Harvey(despite him having a bad game and instantly being rubbish) Sarsfield and Cooper have bags of promise,come from a proven quality background and Samir appears to have a good basis too,as does Brown if indeed we have signed him. They are just the type of player which people have been suggesting we sign all along. To now say that this is not the way forward is just being contrary for the sake of it and thats something Ive seen far too often on here.

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The club left itself with 2 choices - leave the squad as it was and face a high risk of being unable to field a full side of 17 players, or bring in some new faces.

 

Its that simple.

 

This is not some great shift in the club's policy on partnering.

 

This constant state of change is also not a formula to improve the club's fortunes on the field.  To do that requires far greater stability.  Most importantly the club needs to improve its ability to attract and retain players of a higher quality that can see it be more competitive in the Championship - not something that partnering in the manner its been done this season will ever deliver.

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Its not that simple though is it.

Every team goes through an injury crisis at some time during the season. Without being able to give fringe players game time in the form of academy or what ever, as in the case of the Birkett, they choose to move on somewhere else, leaving you shorthanded. You then are forced into loan deals etc.

In our case the decision is to strengthen our squad and hope the players left out when fit stick around with us!

Its swings and roundabouts.

You are very adept at finding negatives phillh, I'll say thatfor you!

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Cheer up Phil. It's not all that bad.

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We have signed a prop from Eccles too. No doubt this will be spun into another conspiracy theory.

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Its not that simple though is it.

Every team goes through an injury crisis at some time during the season. Without being able to give fringe players game time in the form of academy or what ever, as in the case of the Birkett, they choose to move on somewhere else, leaving you shorthanded. You then are forced into loan deals etc.

In our case the decision is to strengthen our squad and hope the players left out when fit stick around with us!

Its swings and roundabouts.

You are very adept at finding negatives phillh, I'll say thatfor you!

 

Nothing you haven't said before, by the way.

 

While every side can suffer injuries not every side has willingly made itself a feeder club in the manner Swinton Lions has been willing to do this season, the effect of this strategy has been to render the club in a worse position on the issues you mention.

 

Building a squad with depth and quality is wholly incompatible with the coach not knowing until circa 3 days before the first competitive game which players the Partnered club wanted to parachute into his side, with 6 sham contracts handed out so that up to 11 such players could be effectively guaranteed a place in the 17.

 

Imagine the speil whilst trying to get a target to sign up; "We don't know yet who Tony Smith wants in the Swinton Lions line-up, but its likely to be over half of the side.  By the way - even when we've sorted that out initially and bent the RFL rules a bit to get as many Warrington players onboard as we possibly can, if later in the season Warrington have an established first team player in your position that needs a bit of game time to get fit after injury, and we want to get a few Wolves fans down to a game, you'll be dropped."

 

Little wonder it was close to impossible to get players to commit themselves to Swinton Lions in those circumstances at the beginning of the season.  Any coach would have found recruitment a major struggle.

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Nothing you haven't said before, by the way.

While every side can suffer injuries not every side has willingly made itself a feeder club in the manner Swinton Lions has been willing to do this season, the effect of this strategy has been to render the club in a worse position on the issues you mention.

Building a squad with depth and quality is wholly incompatible with the coach not knowing until circa 3 days before the first competitive game which players the Partnered club wanted to parachute into his side, with 6 sham contracts handed out so that up to 11 such players could be effectively guaranteed a place in the 17.

Imagine the speil whilst trying to get a target to sign up; "We don't know yet who Tony Smith wants in the Swinton Lions line-up, but its likely to be over half of the side. By the way - even when we've sorted that out initially and bent the RFL rules a bit to get as many Warrington players onboard as we possibly can, if later in the season Warrington have an established first team player in your position that needs a bit of game time to get fit after injury, and we want to get a few Wolves fans down to a game, you'll be dropped."

Little wonder it was close to impossible to get players to commit themselves to Swinton Lions in those circumstances at the beginning of the season. Any coach would have found recruitment a major struggle.

You were doing so well until you got to your second line, then you continued to do what you just accused me of. Ha ha!

You never have explained though how you KNOW these things to be true and little wonder we cant get players to sign if our fans go watching Leigh and constantly post how they aren't going to get a chance!

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Nothing you haven't said before, by the way.

 

While every side can suffer injuries not every side has willingly made itself a feeder club in the manner Swinton Lions has been willing to do this season, the effect of this strategy has been to render the club in a worse position on the issues you mention.

 

Building a squad with depth and quality is wholly incompatible with the coach not knowing until circa 3 days before the first competitive game which players the Partnered club wanted to parachute into his side, with 6 sham contracts handed out so that up to 11 such players could be effectively guaranteed a place in the 17.

 

Imagine the speil whilst trying to get a target to sign up; "We don't know yet who Tony Smith wants in the Swinton Lions line-up, but its likely to be over half of the side.  By the way - even when we've sorted that out initially and bent the RFL rules a bit to get as many Warrington players onboard as we possibly can, if later in the season Warrington have an established first team player in your position that needs a bit of game time to get fit after injury, and we want to get a few Wolves fans down to a game, you'll be dropped."

 

Little wonder it was close to impossible to get players to commit themselves to Swinton Lions in those circumstances at the beginning of the season.  Any coach would have found recruitment a major struggle.

spot on as ever Phil

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Nothing you haven't said before, by the way.

While every side can suffer injuries not every side has willingly made itself a feeder club in the manner Swinton Lions has been willing to do this season, the effect of this strategy has been to render the club in a worse position on the issues you mention.

Building a squad with depth and quality is wholly incompatible with the coach not knowing until circa 3 days before the first competitive game which players the Partnered club wanted to parachute into his side, with 6 sham contracts handed out so that up to 11 such players could be effectively guaranteed a place in the 17.

Imagine the speil whilst trying to get a target to sign up; "We don't know yet who Tony Smith wants in the Swinton Lions line-up, but its likely to be over half of the side. By the way - even when we've sorted that out initially and bent the RFL rules a bit to get as many Warrington players onboard as we possibly can, if later in the season Warrington have an established first team player in your position that needs a bit of game time to get fit after injury, and we want to get a few Wolves fans down to a game, you'll be dropped."

Little wonder it was close to impossible to get players to commit themselves to Swinton Lions in those circumstances at the beginning of the season. Any coach would have found recruitment a major struggle.

Hmm wasn't it a certain Mr Rowley who openly stated that will never dual reg and yet last week had three, I wonder how he explained that to the Leigh players who made way for them.?

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Hmm wasn't it a certain Mr Rowley who openly stated that will never dual reg and yet last week had three, I wonder how he explained that to the Leigh players who made way for them.?

Its ok when its your own team Alan.

Batley fans....Fev fans ...Leigh fans ....all forget that..

Duffymoon...we know Phil makes valid points. The ideal is what he suggests. We know so well but we've heard it

Enough . Well I have.

I'll ask you are you pleased by the six permanent Swinton only signings? Is it or is it not the direction you wanted the club to take?

If not who should we sign ?

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What Swinton only signings they aren't real:-D

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Sorry Tim ...I meant Cooper Sarsfield Harvey Brown Taharoui and the lad from Eccles ....just to clarify. ..;)

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