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A RFL Operational Rules Tribunal has imposed sine die suspensions on two Golborne Parkside players after they were found guilty of assaulting a match official in an under-18s match against Chorley Panthers.

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A RFL Operational Rules Tribunal has imposed sine die suspensions on two Golborne Parkside players after they were found guilty of assaulting a match official in an under-18s match against Chorley Panthers.

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Was this a serious assault?

Sine die seems like a harsh offence (unless it was serious) especially for 18 year olds, when drug cheats only get two years.

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Was this a serious assault?

Sine die seems like a harsh offence (unless it was serious) especially for 18 year olds, when drug cheats only get two years.

Must have been a bit more than a shove if it went to court and the players were convicted.

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Was this a serious assault?

Sine die seems like a harsh offence (unless it was serious) especially for 18 year olds, when drug cheats only get two years.

 

Tough.  No officials, no game.  Respect them even if you think they're decisions are incorrect. 

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Was this a serious assault?

Sine die seems like a harsh offence (unless it was serious) especially for 18 year olds, when drug cheats only get two years.

So in your eyes assaulting innocent people going about their business isn't as bad as people harming themselves by cheating in a game if football?

For crying out loud you need to get yourself a sense of perspective

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I think respect is a two way thing.

Tough.  No officials, no game.  Respect them even if you think they're decisions are incorrect. 

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I think respect is a two way thing.

Are you saying referees don't respect the players?!

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I think respect is a two way thing.

The respect is shown to the office of referee not to the individual holding that office and that should be non negotiable: if a person is unwilling or unable to do that then they should take up another interest

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Both players were tried and convicted of assault in the Magistrates Court following the attack on a 19-year-old referee.

 

Says it all, really. I repeat: a man's game, not a thugs game.

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There is simply no excuse for assaulting a referee.

All that needs to be said.

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Good on them for giving life bans.

The amateur refs do this for the love of the game. He'll have got £20 at most for the privilege of driving up there to get a beating.

The sad thing is, he's only a young ref and is bound to make mistakes but this will probably put him off ever officiating again for life.

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sine die is not a life ban.

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It's about time we saw an end to players questioning the referees decisions in the professional game. The new ref cam ha highlighted just how much this goes on.

Captains "seeking clarity" is just captains seeking to influence future calls in the game by the ref.

It's little wonder we have kids showing a lack of respect to officials when thir role models don't show any.

There should be a sniper in the crowd at all televised fixtures and thy should be merciless if a player approaches the officials.

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Referees and the referee management chain don't help themselves with this though.  Some referees just don't punish dissent and weak referees are allowed to progress up the ladder by the management committees.  Then you get the top-end refs who just tolerate it, more than likely with the instructions from on high to not ruin the spectacle of the game by penalising "trivial" dissent.  This makes it massively difficult for younger referees or less confident ones at the bottom of the game structure who maybe don't have the experience to deal with dissent effectively and don't have the backing of ingrained respect for the office of "referee".

 

What also happens is that you get some referees who do penalise it properly, they then get criticised for being whistle happy and for "ruining" the game.  It's a hard one to win for a referee.

 

The single time I've seen this punished effectively in any sport was in union where Essex RU posted a note to clubs and insisted it be published in all changing rooms that any player dismissed for dissent or referee abuse would see their punishment automatically doubled.  It took a few high profile long bans for it to get through to players and coaches that enough was enough.  Many players still didn't respect the ref but they did fear the punishment, a second best outcome but still better than the alternative of referee abuse.  There was also one university club on the south coast somewhere in the early 2000s who were effectively kicked out because the local referee society refused to provide them with appointed refs following repeated on-field and sideline abuse of referees, this was supported by all neighbouring societies to stop them just moving ref society.

 

It also doesn't help that referee abuse at youth games is utterly out of control.  Parents and coaches seem to think that because their precious offspring are on the field that they have the right to abuse the referee.  This sticks in the kids' minds and is a very hard thing to eradicate.  It's an unfortunate reality that it's damnably hard to get good appointed refs to do the kids games because they're either on Sunday or midweek and refs only want to do one game a weekend.

 

That all said, we're still not football.  I refereed one game many years ago where I shared the changing room with a football ref.  The home football team captain walked into our changing room, looked at the ref and said "oh for f***'s sake, not you again you f***ing c***.  I hope you're not going to be the complete w***er that you were last time you were here." then stormed out slamming the door.  The ref looked a bit disappointed but didn't react further, a long discussion with him highlighted that that's deemed acceptable and the football discipline committees were very reluctant to back up referees who dismiss players beyond maybe a one or two game ban.  In RL, I think the only way the game could have continued after that would be if the home team started with the captain on his way home and the coach making a grovelling apology, even then most refs would have just called the game over and walked and would be backed by their society.

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sine die is not a life ban.

this is true,

but it often works out as one for all intents a purposes

 

they should be banned for life though.

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This happened in hull about 8 year ago 2 brothers it was I think their got sine die

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I'd let them back, in time.  Although I'd insist that they completed their referees qualification and officiated for over 100 games before I heard their appeal.

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this is true,

but it often works out as one for all intents a purposes

 

they should be banned for life though.

Indeed and not just from rugby league either. This is one area where inter-code co-operation would be a good idea. What's the deterrent of a life ban from one rugby code when you can go and be a thug is the other?

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Historically any RL bans applied to RU and vice versa not sure if the agreement is still in place or enforceable.

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Both players were tried and convicted of assault in the Magistrates Court following the attack on a 19-year-old referee.[/size]

Think that just about ends any defence of these players.

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Indeed and not just from rugby league either. This is one area where inter-code co-operation would be a good idea. What's the deterrent of a life ban from one rugby code when you can go and be a thug is the other?

 

Historically any RL bans applied to RU and vice versa not sure if the agreement is still in place or enforceable.

Both the RFU and RFL have upheld bans from the other codes against players trying to register for clubs.  There was one last year if I remember rightly where the RFU upheld a ban, can't remember the details though.

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