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joe elliot

Bring back the biff

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run that by me again.....

He said...

 

...something, what I don't know, but he said it.

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Ok, so nobody's reading that long post by ChrisGS, just mocking it.........he's not a regular poster, so maybe thats why.

There are some good points in there......and a re worthy of respect and understanding from an Australian point of view

 

Everybody is making the incorrect assumption that people are wanting a return to endless fighting, blatant violence and out and out thuggery whilst standing on their righteous pedestal.

I'd ask to be pointed specifically to those post extracts, as I can't see them.

 

Go on.....

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Don't think so

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Don't think so

well yes it is. he's asking for changes to the application of rules round fighting.

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well yes it is. he's asking for changes to the application of rules round fighting.

Ok, he is.....

 

But as I said - "wanting a return to endless fighting, blatant violence and out and out thuggery"??? Don't think so

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In relation to football, many older fans miss the days of the more physical game. I certainly do. That's not to say I want to see all in brawls every 5 minutes or whatever but modern football is too clean. Most of the 1966 WC winning team would be sent off today after 5 minutes (certainly Jack Charlton & possibly Nobby Stiles)

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All most people want is for fighting to be punished with a yellow card and the disciplinary to not give lengthy bans.

Nobody is wanting fights every five minutes this is a statement from the people who want to sanitise the game.

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God there are some sensitive delicate souls on here aren't there. I love all this faux outrage and morality and the 'won't somebody think of the children' nonsense.

As someone has said there's a huge difference between nasty cheap shots and a square off between 2 players. The Origin game improved immensely on Wednesday after Gallen gave Myles' chin a bit of a tickle. It gets the blood pumping for the players and the fans.

When JP put Willie Mason on his 'arris I bet even those objectors on here were cheering.

Both your examples show that 'the biff' still exists. Somebody takes a liberty in a collision game and the consequence is a smack round the chops.

I don't have a problem with it.

But the original poster says we no longer have this when clearly we do: so he must want something else. What is that something else? If its the cheap thuggery that was part of the game and to a large extent no longer exists then personally I don't want it back

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Both your examples show that 'the biff' still exists. Somebody takes a liberty in a collision game and the consequence is a smack round the chops.

I don't have a problem with it.

But the original poster says we no longer have this when clearly we do: so he must want something else. What is that something else? If its the cheap thuggery that was part of the game and to a large extent no longer exists then personally I don't want it back

 

Quite.

 

If people want thuggery, then there's always Rugby Union where being raked with studs is common place I'm led to believe.

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It ain't exactly "media friendly" is it though?

 

We're trying to attract money into the sport, we want greater funding and then we go and encourage brawling?  It isn't exactly going to make the sponsors come running to be associated with the game is it?  And by that I mean the high end sponsors with the megabucks.

 

I know a lot of people quite like seeing a scrap on the street on a Saturday night but the police try to ruin the biff, maybe it's the same demographic who want the biff back in rugby.

 

As someone mentioned earlier, a bit of handbags from two big guys generally ends up as a penalty and nothing more, that's fine as an occasional thing.  It's when they start swinging properly it starts to put people off or when the ball seems to be a sideshow to the scrapping.

 

A lot of people have made the commenting that when you get big guys in a physical games that a bit of fighting is inevitable, I disagree with this assessment.  The best players are those that can control their agression and use it as a tool, a fight is a sign that the control is no longer there.  Playing Union (I'm too fat and slow to play league and live in London), I've had people try and start on me and I just smirk and ignore it (then make sure the next legal hit I put on them is full forced) and it riles them up no end, eventually they'll then do something stupid and give us penalties galore and/or go for a 10 minute sit down.  I'd far rather have a player who can stop the red mist descending than one that gets into endless biff.

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All most people want is for fighting to be punished with a yellow card and the disciplinary to not give lengthy bans.

Nobody is wanting fights every five minutes this is a statement from the people who want to sanitise the game.

 

 

Most? Really? Are you sure?

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Most? Really? Are you sure?

And what was the punishment after the fisticuffs in SOO 1? I don't recall sending off being a regular outcome if soebody giving somebody a slap

I'm struggling to wonder what the original poster is driving at.

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Cant be bothered to read that whole post, especially with the nonsense about 4-8 match bans. The balance is right - the only ones asking fir chsnge are those who want mire brawling. Seriously have a word with yourself.

 

But the balance apparently isn't right because you linked to, and agreed with, an article which argues in clear terms that the way in which the game deals with biff at present simply isn't enough, and that this is harming the game right now. The journalist at the Brisbane Times wants more change, he believes that the way it is now isn't right. So not only are you too lazy and ignorant to read what I posted, but you also apparently couldn't even be bothered to read the article you yourself posted.

 

Jesus, and the mods on here wonder why most discussions boil down to petty bickering.

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Good bit of Biff in the York v Keighley game yesterday. George Stokes put the instigators in the sin bin and everybody got on with the game.

 

It was good to watch and lifted the crowd, but it shouldn't be encouraged. If it happens it happens and it should be dealt with accordingly.

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In super league the ref's send people off for punching, straight red. That's what I'm against.

Is that clear enough for the pretend intellects on here.

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In super league the ref's send people off for punching, straight red. That's what I'm against.

Is that clear enough for the pretend intellects on here.

 

I'm not against a player being sent off for throwing an unprovoked punch.  That puts me in a minority doesn't it joe?

 

Plenty of players don't get sent off for throwing punches, Danny McGuire seemed to have made this his trademark prior to his recent injury.

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But the balance apparently isn't right because you linked to, and agreed with, an article which argues in clear terms that the way in which the game deals with biff at present simply isn't enough, and that this is harming the game right now. The journalist at the Brisbane Times wants more change, he believes that the way it is now isn't right. So not only are you too lazy and ignorant to read what I posted, but you also apparently couldn't even be bothered to read the article you yourself posted.

 

Jesus, and the mods on here wonder why most discussions boil down to petty bickering.

 Apologies for coming across as rude with regards to your post, but as I was reading on my mobile, I thought the post was extremely long and slightly off at a tangent. It is extremely rare for a 4-8 match ban for fighting.

 

I was also referring to the game in this country where I feel we have it right. The reason I posted the Brisbane Time article was because many fans over here hold up Origin as the template we should follow for fighting, when in fact many Aussies weren't happy with the 'biff' from last week. I'm not sure how you can throw 3 or 4 punches at someone's head without getting at least 10 minutes to cool down.

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In super league the ref's send people off for punching, straight red. That's what I'm against.

Is that clear enough for the pretend intellects on here.

 

 That's not actually true though. Did McGuire or Cudjoe get sent off in the Hudds v Leeds cup game? I remember seeing 'biff' and no further action, from the ref or the panel.

 

The one player who did get sent off was for serious fould play.

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1. Every week in Superleague we see kids playing matches at halftime on the pitch. They are the future of the game and if we glorify thuggery, their mams will stop them playing.

 

2. If you allow a fighting culture at Superleague level, the lower levels will also turn a blind eye to it. And at that level, there are already plenty of players with a screw loose who like nothing better than to provoke a confrontation.

How many of those who want to see fighting "allowed" have actually played the game? I'm not soft but I was actually scared someone was going to get seriously injured during a cup game against Belle Isle thirty years ago. Glory days? I don't think so.

 

3. If you want to see people fighting for the sake of it, go watch boxing or ice hockey.

 

4. At any professional level, gighting is usually caused by the referee allowing some kind of cheating or foul play to carry on unpunished. I didn't watch last week's SoO game, but presume that was at least a major contribution to the dust up.

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1. Every week in Superleague we see kids playing matches at halftime on the pitch. They are the future of the game and if we glorify thuggery, their mams will stop them playing.

 I played at half time at Naughton Park for our school......I also saw several dust-ups at games, everyone cheered when it happened (me included) - that's not to say that those involved shouldn't have been sinbinne.....but my parents never stopped me from playing due to the potential of fisticuffs, nor did it put me off

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1. Every week in Superleague we see kids playing matches at halftime on the pitch. They are the future of the game and if we glorify thuggery, their mams will stop them playing.

 

Not just their Mams either, I wouldn't encourage my son to play a sport where he would be routinely receive unprovoked and unpunished punches.

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I say the opposite, if you have played rugby to a good standard or intensity, you know that it boils over from time to time. That's why it shouldn't be a red card.

There is that much niggling in the games now because players are trying to win penalty's, slow play the balls and dirty wrestling techniques. That sometimes a dust up is exactly what's needed. At least then both players get a yellow rather than one getting sent off for retaliation. The wardle case for instance.

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I say the opposite, if you have played rugby to a good standard or intensity, you know that it boils over from time to time. That's why it shouldn't be a red card.

There is that much niggling in the games now because players are trying to win penalty's, slow play the balls and dirty wrestling techniques. That sometimes a dust up is exactly what's needed. At least then both players get a yellow rather than one getting sent off for retaliation. The wardle case for instance.

Well that's it isn't it, you're not saying the opposite. You appear to be appealing for the status quo, the same status quo that myself and others endorse.

This "issue" appears to be entirely manifested within your head, and that's an area that I want don't want any further insights into.

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Emett vs Washbrook, straight penalty. Superleague game, some provocation.

 

Go away joe.

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