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I guess if the RFL decided to bring back Great Britain it would just be England plus a couple.of Welshmen, like Jordan James?

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It would be entirely England currently.

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I guess if the RFL decided to bring back Great Britain it would just be England plus a couple.of Welshmen, like Jordan James?

It's an impossible question to answer really. It could happen next year. It could take 50 years.

It takes around 10 years to produce an elite athlete from scratch. But you'd need a pool of highly talented players for them all to challenge each other enough to develop further into a world class player. A bit chicken and egg.

I will say I'm fairly confident that, unless there is a SL side in Wales, Scotland and Ireland; there won't ever be a significant number of players that aren't English in a Lions team.

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What has Ireland got to do with Great Britain? RU has the British and Irish Lions but RL is meant to be GB Lions.

How about getting Welsh and Scottish players working up to playing for English SL clubs?

Why not have a Championships GB? RU had a Tier 2 International last year (RFU Championship Select XV vs New Zealand Maori All Blacks?).

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What has Ireland got to do with Great Britain? RU has the British and Irish Lions but RL is meant to be GB Lions.

 

Northern Ireland though has quite a bit to do with GB. Not to mention that in other sports e.g. cricket Irishmen have played for England. 

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Well, Tony Clubb & LMS (Londoners) have played for England so I suppose you can look it took to turn London into a region that produced internationals. 

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The other issue is that Welshmen (in particular) crossed codes back in the day and Gareth Thomas did the same more recently. Had he done so a few years earlier and GB Lions was around, would they have approached him? I'd suggest that they might.

 

It could still happen (it's just a lot less likely) but there are those George North NRL rumours I suppose...

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Northern Ireland though has quite a bit to do with GB. Not to mention that in other sports e.g. cricket Irishmen have played for England.

Northern Ireland is in the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. Northern Ireland is separate to Great Britain. England Cricket Club is under the England And Wales Cricket board so should be known as England and Wales.

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IMO...there's nothing wrong with calling the team GB providing it contains (at least one) GENUINE non English players (ie not like Michael Withers in 2001)

Otherwise call it what it is - England.

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Northern Ireland is in the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. Northern Ireland is separate to Great Britain. England Cricket Club is under the England And Wales Cricket board so should be known as England and Wales.

The Ireland rugby league team is made up of players from the whole of the island of Ireland. As is the rugby union team.

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Not long at all, they would just need to convert from RU like they did in previous times

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Northern Ireland is in the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. Northern Ireland is separate to Great Britain. England Cricket Club is under the England And Wales Cricket board so should be known as England and Wales.

I'm aware that GB and the UK aren't quite the same but this constitutional nicety doesn't translate into sport. The UK olympics team competes as GB but is still the UK's team.

 

The ECB's team is called England (and long may it stay that way - if the Welsh don't like it they can get their own team) but players from Scotland and Ireland have played for them.

 

No need to worry about the niceties - players from NI will play for a GB side with no complaints about the technicalities - players from the republic will do so as individuals a la Brian Carney. Adding "and Ireland" to the team name doesn't make it into a genuinely Irish side.

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I'd like to see the team return in 2015 and every 4 years after that. By 2015 hopefully there would be a player or 2 in with a shout but even if there isn't it shouldn't matter. Having the team assemble every 4 years might help Wales, Ireland & Scotland keep players too.

Play one game against an Island nation, 1 against NZ (Baskerville shield) & then 3 against Australia (Ashes). Then have the Aussies tour 4 years later.

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While we're on the subject, the 'semi-finals' of the S2/3 Respectme Saltire Schools Cup were played on Friday in Glasgow. All four teams played each other in 20 minutes games, with the top two in the table going through to the final.

S2/3 Respectme Saltire Schools Cup Semi-Finals

HILLPARK SECONDARY 44 V 0 KILSYTH ACADEMY

NORTH BERWICK 26 V 0 GREENWOOD ACADEMY

HILLPARK SECONDARY 4 V 34 GREENWOOD ACADEMY

NORTH BERWICK 52 V 0 KILSYTH ACADEMY

HILLPARK SECONDARY 0 V 26 NORTH BERWICK

GREENWOOD ACADEMY 24 V 10 KILSYTH ACADEMY

NORTH BERWICK and GREENWOOD will now meet in the final on the 20th June.

Hillpark Secondary - Glasgow

Kilsyth Academy - north-west of Cumbernauld

North Berwick - East Lothian

Greenwood Academy - Irvine, North Ayrshire

The final, along with the finals of the S1 and S4/5 age-groups will be played in Cumbernauld - Schools set for Broadwood Stadium

So, the interest is there, the work is being put in, but it is slow progress. What obviously doesn't help is the lack of pathways into the professional game. A Championship One side (or two) would help as young players heading south isn't ideal. Then again, travelling for games against mainly southern-based English and Welsh teams every other week would be a problem.

The other alternative would be to strengthen the domestic game - which means more stable and strong clubs like Easterhouse Panthers, Edinburgh Eagles, Aberdeen Warriors, etc. - and a constant raising of standards. Easterhouse has always been a jewel in crown of Scottish RL, being a dedicated rugby league club in an area that previously had no exposure to any form of rugby. For years they have been developing youngsters, yet it is only now that the strength of their first team reflects that. Victoria Knights have been running youth teams for a few years and have finally got around to putting an open age side out (sadly they are getting over 100 points put past them - 160 on Saturday). Also in Glasgow are the North Glasgow Bears, a club that is concentrating on youth teams at the moment.

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The other alternative would be to strengthen the domestic game - which means more stable and strong clubs like Easterhouse Panthers, Edinburgh Eagles, Aberdeen Warriors, etc. - and a constant raising of standards. Easterhouse has always been a jewel in crown of Scottish RL, being a dedicated rugby league club in an area that previously had no exposure to any form of rugby. For years they have been developing youngsters, yet it is only now that the strength of their first team reflects that. Victoria Knights have been running youth teams for a few years and have finally got around to putting an open age side out (sadly they are getting over 100 points put past them - 160 on Saturday). Also in Glasgow are the North Glasgow Bears, a club that is concentrating on youth teams at the moment.

 

I have read a far bit about the development work going on in Scotland. No doubt money is an issue but it is great to see the word being spread about the game and people playing it at any level across the UK and Ireland.

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How is it possible to get beaten by 160 points? ?? Fair play to them I remember when SSG wear getting a lot of 80 - 110 points beatings. Glad to see they have spirit.

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I'm aware that GB and the UK aren't quite the same but this constitutional nicety doesn't translate into sport. The UK olympics team competes as GB but is still the UK's team.

 

The ECB's team is called England (and long may it stay that way - if the Welsh don't like it they can get their own team) but players from Scotland and Ireland have played for them.

 

No need to worry about the niceties - players from NI will play for a GB side with no complaints about the technicalities - players from the republic will do so as individuals a la Brian Carney. Adding "and Ireland" to the team name doesn't make it into a genuinely Irish side.

 

Slight diversion but here in Wales a lot of us want to see our own 20-20 international side at very least. But I've been told by Glamorgan that any attempt to form a separate Wales side at any level would mean no more Ashes tests for Cardiff. So it's money over pride. I disagree as I think we should keep England for tests and have separate nations for limited over matches.

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Slight diversion but here in Wales a lot of us want to see our own 20-20 international side at very least. But I've been told by Glamorgan that any attempt to form a separate Wales side at any level would mean no more Ashes tests for Cardiff. So it's money over pride. I disagree as I think we should keep England for tests and have separate nations for limited over matches.

I agree. Wales should have their own T20 side as a minimum.

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How is it possible to get beaten by 160 points? ?? Fair play to them I remember when SSG wear getting a lot of 80 - 110 points beatings. Glad to see they have spirit.

 

I did wonder that!

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I did wonder that!

 

In 2010 Swindon St George traveled to Elmbridge Eagles with 11 guys most of who were either between 16 - 18 most of whom had never played Rugby League before and a few of the older heads had very little experience too and where beaten around 100 - 0, as Elmbridge were a very well drilled squad played their full 13 players (20 inc. rolling subs?) against us in late-20' heat with no/very little breeze, as they were in the looking to make the play-offs a couple of weeks after so needed to try out their set moves.  However it shows character when teams don't give up.

 

How would the RFL get Scottish players up to SL/Championships standard?  Could a SL team team up with an area of Scotland like Leeds have done with the West of England?

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In 2010 Swindon St George traveled to Elmbridge Eagles with 11 guys most of who were either between 16 - 18 most of whom had never played Rugby League before and a few of the older heads had very little experience too and where beaten around 100 - 0, as Elmbridge were a very well drilled squad played their full 13 players (20 inc. rolling subs?) against us in late-20' heat with no/very little breeze, as they were in the looking to make the play-offs a couple of weeks after so needed to try out their set moves.  However it shows character when teams don't give up.

 

How would the RFL get Scottish players up to SL/Championships standard?  Could a SL team team up with an area of Scotland like Leeds have done with the West of England?

 

It's difficult, isn't it? You're taking kids, many of whom have not had any exposure to rugby of any sort, and coaching them with limited resources and expertise, and you're trying to get them to a comparable standard to those who have grown up in areas steeped in the game. I suppose the idea is, to put it simply, to introduce as many kids as possible to the game, identify those who have the raw talent, and give them intense coaching (and hope they stick with it!). But, and there is no escaping this fact, you have got to provide the appropriate playing opportunities for the standard you are aiming at. And that is always the problem in new areas.

To give the them credit, the RFL have started to address this problem with the new expansion clubs at Championship One level, but Scotland has the isolation problem. I can't think of any other sport where someone at that standard would have to travel hundreds of miles every other week to play part time sport. And young kids leaving home to go to a strange town to play at that standard brings its own problems.

Super League 'twinning' probably has its uses but I fear that there is no real alternative, at this stage, to doing the necessary hard work of building up the game's infrastructure in Scotland: introducing and strengthening clubs, schools, representative sides and coaching structures. There's over 100 years of neglect to catch up on.

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