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Yeah, excellent post well said but there must be some way to get some Scottish players in the SL/NRL in the next 20 years?

Are there any Aussies players with a 'Mc' in their surname? ;)

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Yeah, excellent post well said but there must be some way to get some Scottish players in the SL/NRL in the next 20 years?

Are there any Aussies players with a 'Mc' in their surname? ;)

 

Plenty! And Kiwis!

 

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Well,.if they have 'Mc' (or is it 'Mac'?) in their surname then they're Scottish. ;)

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Yeah, excellent post well said but there must be some way to get some Scottish players in the SL/NRL in the next 20 years?

Are there any Aussies players with a 'Mc' in their surname? ;)

McManus is Scottish I think moved over as a young kid

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Well,.if they have 'Mc' (or is it 'Mac'?) in their surname then they're Scottish. ;)

 

We could go the whole hog and include anyone whose surname appears in this, the recognised reference book on Scottish surnames:-

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It's fairly simple to get players up to standard very quickly, both countries already play at school level.

The difference at 16 years of age isn't massive between England and Wales especially, the only difference is that every single English lad is snapped up by a Super League club if they already aren't. If every player in the Welsh and Scottish teams was given the same treatment then it would take the same time as it would for players to develop.

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We could go the whole hog and include anyone whose surname appears in this, the recognised reference book on Scottish surnames:-

51-0fASNiML._SL500_AA300_.jpg

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Good point. :D

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From the heartlands, how many hours bus trip would it take to get to say somewhere in Scotland where RL has a club in a decent sized city?

 

I know the distances in Aus are way different and we use that excuse all the time, but the UK would make up for that in terms of mass population and being a complete pain in the bum to drive around, so it sort of works out the same to a degree. So I guess my question really is, how hard would it be to actually put a scottish or even Irish team into Champ 1 and what type of finances would it take?

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From the heartlands, how many hours bus trip would it take to get to say somewhere in Scotland where RL has a club in a decent sized city?

I know the distances in Aus are way different and we use that excuse all the time, but the UK would make up for that in terms of mass population and being a complete pain in the bum to drive around, so it sort of works out the same to a degree. So I guess my question really is, how hard would it be to actually put a scottish or even Irish team into Champ 1 and what type of finances would it take?

It would be like the NZ Warriors or Catalans Dragons with all the plane flights too and from Scotland, so not really a viable option and 'heatland' fans would winge if there was a Scottish team in the Championships.

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It would be like the NZ Warriors or Catalans Dragons with all the plane flights too and from Scotland, so not really a viable option and 'heatland' fans would winge if there was a Scottish team in the Championships.

 

Plane flights to Scotland?

 

Maybe if the team was in Aberdeen, but Edinburgh is only 3 and bit hours up the A1, less travelling time than the Cumbrian clubs.

 

As a "heartland" fan, I'd welcome clubs from anywhere than can generate enough interest to warrant one, be it John O'Groats or The Scilly Isles.

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Plane flights to Scotland?

 

Maybe if the team was in Aberdeen, but Edinburgh is only 3 and bit hours up the A1, less travelling time than the Cumbrian clubs.

Only for Oldham and Rochdale. For the majority of clubs in C1 it's closer to 6 hours.

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Hmmm, fair distance for some by the looks of it, so that's a no then unless someone with deep pockets comes in and more or less makes them a semi pro/pro side off the bat. Can't see too many young fellas with families and full time jobs wanting to be away on a bus for 6 hours each way once a fortnight or month.

 

Maybe the RFL could help out any new teams with some sort of fund that eases the pressure a bit (extra traveling expenses/ accommodation/higher cap/whatever to get them going.? I don't know how fans of other clubs would react, well some I do, but I would love to see a centrally funded club in Scotland, Wales, maybe Ireland and defo London.

 

They would certainly pay for themselves in the long run with TV rights alone if the clubs were run right.

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With the changes to the structures of our leagues and potentially a few new sides coming into the semi pro game Coventry bears been 1 hopefully we'll get to see another South Wales club love to see another London club Medway?, possibly Nottingham outlaws? But going forward would live to see the rfl work towards getting a Scottish club in the championship certainly think there's potential for small success at that level thoughts?

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Who knows, maybe in 20 - 30 years time there could be a 6 team semi-pro 'Celtic Leagues' like the RaboDirect Pro 12 in Rugby Union but on the level of Championship 1?

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As a game we've certainly got to encourage devolpment and growth in expansion areas such as the midlands ect and getting as many sustainable semi pro clubs as possible to allow a genuine pathway for players to aim for and on the back of that you'll hav super league clubs looking for potential stars.

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With the changes to the structures of our leagues and potentially a few new sides coming into the semi pro game Coventry bears been 1 hopefully we'll get to see another South Wales club love to see another London club Medway?, possibly Nottingham outlaws? But going forward would live to see the rfl work towards getting a Scottish club in the championship certainly think there's potential for small success at that level thoughts?

 

The problem being that all of these great new semi-pro clubs are springing up in one end of Great Britain, and Scotland is at the other. One answer would be to eventually create a Championship 1 (north), and start to fill the gaps that exist in northern England outside the heartlands. The likes of Gateshead, other teams in the N.E., and other towns that don't have a Championship or NCL presence. 

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As someone said earlier there is no point moaning about the media coverage of the Union British Lions tour to Australia. Union Lions tours are a massive one in every 4 year events that attract travelling support from all the Home Nations. In Union terms it is nearly the equal of the World Cup. It is exactly the same as moaning about the media being obsessed with the Ashes Series in cricket for the next few months. Again the cricket Ashes is a massive historic event.

 

What Rugby League needs to do compete on equal terms and once upon a time the Great Britain rugby league team used to tour Australia once every 4 years. A team that contained English, Welshmen and lots of high profile Union converts. The team used to stand a good chance of success and it attracted widespread interest. As did the return tours the Australians made to the UK. 

 

Since the Super League era the representative game in rugby league has sharply regressed. If rugby league wants the media lime light it needs regular Test Series between Great Britain and Australia and Great Britain and New Zealand. It needs to put on events that the general public would be interested in. Instead RFL has the England v Exiles match at which the Warrington crowd of 8,000 decided to boo the Wigan players in the England team. 

 

There is no point moaning about the coverage over sports get if they happen to put on top quality events that capture the general public's imagination. The next thing someone will complain about is the media coverage of the Football World Cup!

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What Rugby League needs to do compete on equal terms and once upon a time the Great Britain rugby league team used to tour Australia once every 4 years. A team that contained English, Welshmen and lots of high profile Union converts. The team used to stand a good chance of success and it attracted widespread interest.

 

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That's not the way I remember it. You would struggle to get the results of the non Test matches and the coverage of the Tests was nothing to write home about (pun intended). There would be no footage on either Grandstand or the national news with only a brief mention if you were lucky. I well remember Tony Gubba telling us how the GB lock forward (sic) had been sent off on the 1979 tour. British newspapers rarely sent their RL reporter on a six week jaunt.

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It is all relative. The media coverage of sport before the advent of satellite TV and the internet was small fry. It was pay television that revolutionised professional sport in the UK in terms of money and media exposure. Until 2001 Union Lions Tour was pretty moderately covered. It was Sky TV and the travelling supporters who made into the massive event it is today.

The issue is that the brief revival in the interest in international rugby league from 1990 to 1994, when you had 3 competitive series with big crowds and loads of media attention, was squandered by the subsequent Super League War. The home Tests against Australia in 1990 and 1994 were massive national sporting events with 6 or 7 million people watching on BBC TV. Since the Super League War the international game has never recovered. Rugby league had product that it could sell to the general public and they promptly threw it in the bin. The players in the '90, '92 and '94 teams were household names and celebrities unlike today's players.

Blaming other sports isn't going to solve rugby league's problems, most of which are self inflicted rather than the result of some grand media conspiracy. Go back 20 years and who in the UK gave a t*ss about cycling or rowing? Cyclists and rowers are now big names media personalities and stars. Whinging won't solve rugby league's profile issues.

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Which Welshmen were in the GB side that weren't Union converts? Were there any?

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How many Great Britain test matches against Australia and New Zealand were ever played in Cardiff?

I fear the chance to capitalise on the interest in rugby league in Wales during that period was lost. By the time Union went professional it was too late.

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Great Britain still needs bringing back.The brand was massive.It doesn't matter if its all English players,England qualifies as Great Britain,we didn't need Australians and Kiwis to fill the Great Britain squad.Get GB back and the players from the other home nations will come through eventually but we should be knocking down walls to get the International game going once again.

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The brand was never massive at all. Otherwise the crowds wouldn't have been so bad (in general)

And of course it matters if the team is all English, it is meant to represent the British Isles.

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It is all relative. The media coverage of sport before the advent of satellite TV and the internet was small fry. It was pay television that revolutionised professional sport in the UK in terms of money and media exposure. Until 2001 Union Lions Tour was pretty moderately covered. It was Sky TV and the travelling supporters who made into the massive event it is today.

The issue is that the brief revival in the interest in international rugby league from 1990 to 1994, when you had 3 competitive series with big crowds and loads of media attention, was squandered by the subsequent Super League War. The home Tests against Australia in 1990 and 1994 were massive national sporting events with 6 or 7 million people watching on BBC TV. Since the Super League War the international game has never recovered. Rugby league had product that it could sell to the general public and they promptly threw it in the bin. The players in the '90, '92 and '94 teams were household names and celebrities unlike today's players.

Blaming other sports isn't going to solve rugby league's problems, most of which are self inflicted rather than the result of some grand media conspiracy. Go back 20 years and who in the UK gave a t*ss about cycling or rowing? Cyclists and rowers are now big names media personalities and stars. Whinging won't solve rugby league's profile issues.

Did GB games ever get 6-7 million viewers on BBC?

 

I remember moaning about the coverage we got back then too, and let's be 100% clear, our players most definitely were not household names and celebrities!

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6 million viewers on the BBC? That is about as much as they would have got in 1990 and 1994 for Ashes Tests being the centre piece for Grandstand on BBC 1 on Saturday afternoons.

For those of you with short memories this is what international rugby league used to look like and it didn't suffer any comparison with soccer or Rugby Union.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wu67CsfrMzY

The biggest tradegy and victim of the Super League War was the international game. The ARL warned the RFL what would happen if it got into bed with Murdoch and much of the goodwill towards the international aspect of rugby league in Australia was been lost because of the actions of the RFL and the NZRL.

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