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Should the plug be pulled on Salford?

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Salford are no different to London,if the rich man pulls out then they're finished as a superleague club

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I think its time to pull the plug on these forums. its becoming a joke with these stupid topics

I don't. I think it is an effective way to make the point that clubs outside the M62 are not the evil beings that the traditionalists want to make them out to be.

It's an effective way to make the point that when expansion clubs are in trouble M62 clubs have the same troubles but probably less excuse for them.

Besides whose an "expansion club" London formed in 1981? Toulouse formed in 1931?

Well I remember London being berated week on week for sub 3,000 crowds when Salford, Halifax and wakefield were returning the same sort of crowds. Crusaders were murdered on here with people cheering them out of the game, so fair topic and top answer from jpmc.

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The usual stuff. Hey if Salford lose a match by 40 points then it's okay that Broncos lose games by 80 points because "it's the same".

 

Salford are in no way comparable to Broncos.

 

Salford have a major investor willing to inject funds, Broncos don't.

Salford have a fixed home. Broncos don't.

Salford's crowds are poor. Broncos are dreadful.

 

But yeah let's have another round of making out that a 3,000 crowd is equivalent to 1,800.

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I think its time to pull the plug on these forums. its becoming a joke with these stupid topics

start a 'sensible' thread then mastermind

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Well I remember London being berated week on week for sub 3,000 crowds when Salford, Halifax and wakefield were returning the same sort of crowds. Crusaders were murdered on here with people cheering them out of the game, so fair topic and top answer from jpmc.

The usual victimhood claimed.

 

Crusaders broke the salary cap, employed illegal players, didn't pay their players, didn't pay their other bills, moved three hours up the road and failed to bid for a franchise renewall.

 

But no doubt this the same as Salford who:-

didn't break the salary cap, had no trouble with UK border controls, paid their players, paid their bills (eventually), moved to a new stadium in Salford and continued to play in SL.

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Salford are in no way comparable to Broncos.

I agree.

They've been terrible on the field and poor off it for a lot longer.

A better team than Wakefield would have run up a cricket score last night. I found it surprising, and troubling, that a Noble-coached team didn't seem to show any backbone.

The real test for Salford will be next season when the Koukash investment will (and should) deliver an immediate return.

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I agree.

They've been terrible on the field and poor off it for a lot longer.

A better team than Wakefield would have run up a cricket score last night. I found it surprising, and troubling, that a Noble-coached team didn't seem to show any backbone.

The real test for Salford will be next season when the Koukash investment will (and should) deliver an immediate return.

You can say that but for Broncos to be in Salford's shoes would constitute a massive improvement in fortunes.

 

Do you think many Salford fans would trade places with a Broncos fan?

How about the opposite?

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Besides whose an "expansion club" London formed in 1981? Toulouse formed in 1931?

 

 

1937, as you were told yesterday.

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You can say that but for Broncos to be in Salford's shoes would constitute a massive improvement in fortunes.

 

Do you think many Salford fans would trade places with a Broncos fan?

How about the opposite?

Right now, Salford are in the better position. That's been the case for a massive six months out of the last twenty years.

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Quite a few Salford players are presumably marking time till they get to the end of the season,when they'll be released. In the meantime, they aren't good enough to make the 8.

 

I feel really sorry for their fans.

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Right now, Salford are in the better position. That's been the case for a massive six months out of the last twenty years.

Not remotely true. How often in that time have London moved and changed name?

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Not remotely true. How often in that time have London moved and changed name?

How many times have Salford made the play-offs?

Been relegated.

Become the 'Reds'. Added the word 'City' to their name.

I think we can all agree that London's current situation is woeful on every level. The problem for rugby league is that they are just a pretty clear example of failings that have existed (and possibly still exist) at clubs throughout the professional level of the sport.

Salford, until Koukash took over, were at death's door.

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How many times have Salford made the play-offs?

Been relegated.

Become the 'Reds'. Added the word 'City' to their name.

I think we can all agree that London's current situation is woeful on every level. The problem for rugby league is that they are just a pretty clear example of failings that have existed (and possibly still exist) at clubs throughout the professional level of the sport.

Salford, until Koukash took over, were at death's door.

Salford are a yo-yo side. Too big for the Championship but too small for SL. That's their problem.

London have constantly battling for survival. That's theirs. And they certainly wouldn't be too big for the Championship either.

 

Both sides have problems but to make out that their problems are of the same order is pulling a Parky.

 

Take the issue of name, on the surface, both clubs have had several name changes:-

 

Salford - Salford Reds - Salford City Reds - Salford Red Devils

Fulham - London - London Crusaders - London Broncos - Harlequins RL - London Broncos

 

This for me, is the central point, Salford have struggled for relevance and have made cosmetic name alterations; Bronquins have struggled for survival and have gone through distinct incarnations.

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it amuses me that the very same threads were initiated last season (mainly by featherstone fans) about widnes...........

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This for me, is the central point, Salford have struggled for relevance and have made cosmetic name alterations; Bronquins have struggled for survival and have gone through distinct incarnations.

Both teams have made ill-thought out changes to their identities. Both teams have failed on an epic scale to engage their core support, find new fans and connect properly with local clubs. Both teams have, to much the same degree, failed to play interesting or exciting rugby for the past few years. Neither has had any success worth mentioning for a while.

Both, without major investment from rich men whose commitment is open to question, would not exist today.

They are as unlike as chalk and some more chalk.

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Both teams have made ill-thought out changes to their identities. Both teams have failed on an epic scale to engage their core support, find new fans and connect properly with local clubs. Both teams have, to much the same degree, failed to play interesting or exciting rugby for the past few years. Neither has had any success worth mentioning for a while.

Both, without major investment from rich men whose commitment is open to question, would not exist today.

They are as unlike as chalk and some more chalk.

And yet one is dramatically on the way up and the other dramatically on the way down but let's treat those two imposters just the same.

 

Salford without their "cashcow" were facing a loss of SL status but would probably be top or near top of the championship with no more question mark over their future than Leigh or Fax or Sheffield.

 

Broncos don't even know where they will be playing their games next year. Their future in the Championships is uncertain. They aren't so big that relegation to Championship 1 wouldn't be a possibility.

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Salford without their "cashcow" were facing a loss of SL status but would probably be top or near top of the championship with no more question mark over their future than Leigh or Fax or Sheffield.

 

Promoted on crowds of 3800 or so, miles more than the darlings at Featherstone are currently managing/claiming.

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Just to be clear, where did Salford play Wakefield last season?

What's the relevance?

 

I've known Wigan give up home advantage in the play-offs. Doesn't mean that they don't have a fixed home.

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Both teams have made ill-thought out changes to their identities. Both teams have failed on an epic scale to engage their core support, find new fans and connect properly with local clubs. Both teams have, to much the same degree, failed to play interesting or exciting rugby for the past few years. Neither has had any success worth mentioning for a while.

Both, without major investment from rich men whose commitment is open to question, would not exist today.

They are as unlike as chalk and some more chalk.

Of course they are.

The struggles of SL (and CC clubs) clubs are all along the same lines, inadequate investment, failure to find the players, ground problems, identity problems, failure to attract the fans, directors doing some roguish thing whether at Celtic C or Barrow etc etc etc.

To try to categorise failings into good and bad failings, to try to differentiate on failure, merely begs the question is there bias here. I suspect there is after all that's what being a fan is often about - liking one club and disliking another. Several non Bradford fans had an absolute field day when they went bust, had they had a rope they'd have strung the clubs board up.

For me, IMHO sensible debate mustn't be based on such deep bias.

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Of course they are.

The struggles of SL (and CC clubs) clubs are all along the same lines, inadequate investment, failure to find the players, ground problems, identity problems, failure to attract the fans, directors doing some roguish thing whether at Celtic C or Barrow etc etc etc.

To try to categorise failings into good and bad failings, to try to differentiate on failure, merely begs the question is there bias here. I suspect there is after all that's what being a fan is often about - liking one club and disliking another. Several non Bradford fans had an absolute field day when they went bust, had they had a rope they'd have strung the clubs board up.

For me, IMHO sensible debate mustn't be based on such deep bias.

A 23-22 defeat and a 80-0 hammering are both losses but they aren't "the same" and differentiating between them isn't bias. Many clubs have problems but that doesn't make their problems equal.

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I think its time to pull the plug on these forums. its becoming a joke with these stupid topics

I actually agree with you and I posted this to highlight the silliness of the knee jerk reaction to London being beaten heavily by warrington.

I had no idea some people would actually agree with me!

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