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Indications are that the Broncos may well exit SL at the end of the season from what Stevo said on Backchat last night. Stevo is very well informed re the London club and he talked of an acceptance that the London public don't want a SL Team and he feared this may be the end. Also talk of a move to the new stadium at Barnet that only holds 5,000 with the suggestion that would be enough for lower tier Pro RL.

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If Toulouse don't come up with the money to self fund I suspect they may go 13 and lose a team next year.

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Going to 13 and distributing the £1.3m to the 6 clubs most likely to make the two tens up would allow them to start the changes needed to becoming FT in 2015

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Indications are that the Broncos may well exit SL at the end of the season from what Stevo said on Backchat last night. Stevo is very well informed re the London club and he talked of an acceptance that the London public don't want a SL Team and he feared this may be the end. Also talk of a move to the new stadium at Barnet that only holds 5,000 with the suggestion that would be enough for lower tier Pro RL.

<desperate mantra>But, but, but Sky insist on Broncos being in SL. They are not interested in an M62 league. Everybody knows that. </desperate mantra>

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Sadly the vast majority of London Public that Stevo talks about don't even know a RL club exists in London. There in lies one of the problems.

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Indications are that the Broncos may well exit SL at the end of the season from what Stevo said on Backchat last night. Stevo is very well informed re the London club and he talked of an acceptance that the London public don't want a SL Team and he feared this may be the end. Also talk of a move to the new stadium at Barnet that only holds 5,000 with the suggestion that would be enough for lower tier Pro RL.

How do you know that Stevo is 'very well informed' about the London club?  All it sounded like to me was his usual bluster.  His phrasing suggested speculation is all he was indulging in.  Stevo also spoke on Back Chat about a list of players Dr Koukash had said he wanted for Salford and was his usual mocking self about it.  That list included Gareth Hock.  Dr Koukash has recently emailed Paramatta Eels (confirmed by the club) to say neither he nor the club nor any agent had discussed Gareth Hock coming to Salford instead of the Eels. Yet the way Stevo spoke on Back Chat you'd think that Koukash had declared it from the rooftops.  What has actually happened is that people have speculated on Internet forums and Stevo has taken that gossip as gospel.

 

Hughes said in public at the last round of licences that he would only guarantee his support of London until the end of this licensing period.  I think it would be more worthwhile awaiting his decision rather than listening to Stevo's garbage.

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<desperate mantra>But, but, but Sky insist on Broncos being in SL. They are not interested in an M62 league. Everybody knows that. </desperate mantra>

 

What a tedious excuse for a rugby league fan you are.

 

But, anyway, I think the Barnet move was discussed here before and the ground really is too small for Super League, even allowing for the Broncos only having a core crowd of about 1,000 these days.  If it really is the best option for the club to play there structure/development-wise then they can't continue as a Super League club.

 

I presume you're also starting the clock on there being no London club in 5 years time.

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What a tedious excuse for a rugby league fan you are.

 

But, anyway, I think the Barnet move was discussed here before and the ground really is too small for Super League, even allowing for the Broncos only having a core crowd of about 1,000 these days.  If it really is the best option for the club to play there structure/development-wise then they can't continue as a Super League club.

 

I presume you're also starting the clock on there being no London club in 5 years time.

The words you are looking for are "I am sorry for talking bolox about London's importance for so many years".

 

But no, I think London will be around in 5 or even 10 years' time but they almost certainly won't be at the top table (whatever form that might be).

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Sadly the vast majority of London Public that Stevo talks about don't even know a RL club exists in London. There in lies one of the problems.

 

All we've learnt over the past 3 decades is that those people in London who know that the Broncos exist won't come out to support a very badly run club. To simply say the London public don't want a SL team is wrong.

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How do you know that Stevo is 'very well informed' about the London club?  All it sounded like to me was his usual bluster.  His phrasing suggested speculation is all he was indulging in.  Stevo also spoke on Back Chat about a list of players Dr Koukash had said he wanted for Salford and was his usual mocking self about it.  That list included Gareth Hock.  Dr Koukash has recently emailed Paramatta Eels (confirmed by the club) to say neither he nor the club nor any agent had discussed Gareth Hock coming to Salford instead of the Eels. Yet the way Stevo spoke on Back Chat you'd think that Koukash had declared it from the rooftops.  What has actually happened is that people have speculated on Internet forums and Stevo has taken that gossip as gospel.

 

Hughes said in public at the last round of licences that he would only guarantee his support of London until the end of this licensing period.  I think it would be more worthwhile awaiting his decision rather than listening to Stevo's garbage.

I agree with you that Stevo is not in any place to know the truth. Yet he is a Sky employee and certain forumites / journalists have been banging the "Sky insist on a London club" drum for many years. If this was fact, it is odd that Stevo should be discussing their possible departure from SL even if it is premature.

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Sadly the vast majority of London Public that Stevo talks about don't even know a RL club exists in London. There in lies one of the problems.

In recent years the match day marketing of the club has been very poor. A Maurice Saatchi type figure is required to make sure the club is marketed to its full potential.

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I agree with you that Stevo is not in any place to know the truth. Yet he is a Sky employee and certain forumites / journalists have been banging the "Sky insist on a London club" drum for many years. If this was fact, it is odd that Stevo should be discussing their possible departure from SL even if it is premature.

 

Is he? Where does he go and what does he do out-of-season? Are you sure he's not freelance or Stevo Ltd?  If he was an actual employee, to what extent do you think this would affect what he says?

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Is he? Where does he go and what does he do out-of-season? Are you sure he's not freelance or Stevo Ltd?  If he was an actual employee, to what extent do you think this would affect what he says?

Work it out for yourself.

 

It's not too hard, is it?

 

When you are at work whether you are freelance or on the payroll, you don't tell customers things which the management are not okay about.

 

Have you never had a job?

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I simply cannot see a better alternative than the Broncos playing in whatever division best suits them, drawing on largely local talent, with the RFL making sure there are at least 5 events in London every year. Far more people would watch the Aussie Champions play any northern SL team than would ever watch the Broncos.

Very few people have any affinity for London as a place, and even fewer of the people who have been exposed to RL down here do. But there are enough people who would turn up for a London magic week end, or other games at Wembley. Last time I looked most of the biggest crowds for internationals have been darn sarf, so there is an awareness of the game.

A vibrant London SL team would be a great thing, but that is unlikely to happen any time soon. But there is still plenty of interest in the game in the capital.

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The words you are looking for are "I am sorry for talking bolox about London's importance for so many years".

 

But no, I think London will be around in 5 or even 10 years' time but they almost certainly won't be at the top table (whatever form that might be).

 

I've never said that London were a requirement for Sky.  

 

I have said, and do still believe, that there will be major implications for the development of players without a local top-level professional side.

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All we've learnt over the past 3 decades is that those people in London who know that the Broncos exist won't come out to support a very badly run club. To simply say the London public don't want a SL team is wrong.

 

The current incarnation of the Broncos have managed (by my reckoning) to halve the 'core' support of the club.  Of the immediate group I used to meet, or nod to, on match days only one still goes and he lives so close to the ground it would almost be harder not to.  And given that this was never a club playing sparkling football or chasing trophies every year it really is impressive to alienate a bunch of people so committed to rugby league.

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I've never said that London were a requirement for Sky.  

Then why the butthurt?

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Then why the butthurt?

 

Because, oddly, I take offence when I see supposed rugby league fans dancing at the demise of other clubs.

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personally i think it will be a sad day for the game if broncos did pull out of super league, they have been a beacon for the game in the south of england for around 43 years (in one guise or another)

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Because, oddly, I take offence when I see supposed rugby league fans dancing at the demise of other clubs.

I take no pleasure from the fact that Broncos are on the way down and I think predictions of their demise are premature.

 

The game as a whole needs a more mature approach to expansion; building from the ground up. Unfortunately it has generally go down the "back of a fag packet" route whereby seemingly promising developments like Crusaders are rushed and then ruined. Those people who could see the train wreck that they would become were instantly labelled "anti-expansion" and oddly "anti-Welsh" by forum trolls when all they really wanted was to see sustainable growth. 

 

The lunatic expansionist fringe then went to go and find a new toy to play with but instead of reflecting on the failure of Crusaders and thinking "Perhaps the RFL got it badly wrong and the gradualists were right" decided that "Crusaders were never wanted and were sabotaged by anti-expansionist flatties who took great joy in their demise". I see that this tradition is being continued with Broncos.

 

Personally I just want to have a sensible debate about expansion and the mantra that "Sky aren't interested in RL without London" is something that prevents this so something that chips away at this is good for the game in my view.

 

FWIW I think Broncos will survive but not as a SL club and I think Wellsy's idea that we need four championship clubs in London in the north, east, south and west to create a sense of rivalry and build up the game slowly is the right way forward. I daresay you'll ignore this and focus on my apparent glee.

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personally i think it will be a sad day for the game if broncos did pull out of super league, they have been a beacon for the game in the south of england for around 43 years (in one guise or another)

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It's all been said on here a thousand times already; some people think a top-flight London club is important for the game, some people don't. None of us can say definitively one way or another, but I guess we'll find out in the years to come.

 

What I do know for certain is the following:

1) that a London club in the Championship will never, ever grow strong enough to gain promotion to SL and then stay there. We tried doing that through the 1980's and 90's and it never once looked like working.

2) having a championship club down here with an RFL-backed Academy will do nothing for this club, but may provide one or two players for northern clubs, and will undoubtedly become a finishing school for RU clubs.

3) whatever polite noises people make publicly on here, there will be many, many self-righteous, parochial, small-minded northerners celebrating the demise of this club.

 

Those three things I can absolutely guarantee.

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I take no pleasure from the fact that Broncos are on the way down and I think predictions of their demise are premature.

 

The game as a whole needs a more mature approach to expansion; building from the ground up. Unfortunately it has generally go down the "back of a fag packet" route whereby seemingly promising developments like Crusaders are rushed and then ruined. Those people who could see the train wreck that they would become were instantly labelled "anti-expansion" and oddly "anti-Welsh" by forum trolls when all they really wanted was to see sustainable growth. 

 

The lunatic expansionist fringe then went to go and find a new toy to play with but instead of reflecting on the failure of Crusaders and thinking "Perhaps the RFL got it badly wrong and the gradualists were right" decided that "Crusaders were never wanted and were sabotaged by anti-expansionist flatties who took great joy in their demise". I see that this tradition is being continued with Broncos.

 

Personally I just want to have a sensible debate about expansion and the mantra that "Sky aren't interested in RL without London" is something that prevents this so something that chips away at this is good for the game in my view.

 

FWIW I think Broncos will survive but not as a SL club and I think Wellsy's idea that we need four championship clubs in London in the north, east, south and west to create a sense of rivalry and build up the game slowly is the right way forward. I daresay you'll ignore this and focus on my apparent glee.

Apologies for the over-reaction then.

 

I do however think that your life on here will be easier if you put Parksider on ignore.  I know I find the threads make a lot more sense now.

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I've never said that London were a requirement for Sky.  

 

I have said, and do still believe, that there will be major implications for the development of players without a local top-level professional side.

On part 1, I've said it but not that bluntly.  Rugby league in Britain, forget France for the moment, without a SL side further south than Warrington (soft southerners that they are) would be very damaging to the sport as a professional image.  If it were me, I'd be going out of my way to save London, if it's good enough for the RFL to buy Odsal then it's good enough for them to go out of their way to support London.  Rugby league won't die without London, Sky won't abandon us, but it will be that bit more difficult to persuade people that we're credible.  Sky couldn't care about how much we develop France, it adds nothing to their revenues.

 

If they dropped out of SL then they'll have a very difficult time surviving.  2nd tier clubs don't attract big investments, especially if they have nothing to call "home" and have a nomad reputation of not sticking with things, rightly or wrongly.

 

On part 2, you're absolutely right.  Where's the development path for those youngsters coming through in London and the south east?  A young promising player living in London is highly unlikely to shift to up north for a chance at a moderate pay packet if they end up as one of the few on very good salaries, they could stay down south and earn the same at a middling union club.  Regardless of what some people snobbishly think of with London, they are a massive beacon (good word Viking Warrior) for youngsters in the game playing at the lower tier clubs in London and the South and it would be a painful long-term loss to the game.

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