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Wigan bid for Leigh's Sam Hopkins

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One way is to change the "club trained" quota from 8 players in the 25 man squad to 8 in the game day 17.

That way clubs are compelled to produce their own and not take other less well off clubs better players.

 

This would benefit Wigan and Leeds.  Do these clubs need additional benefits?

 

I love the idea of club trained players, but I also love the idea of free movement of labour, and appropriate recompense for players.  I could see that this could impact this.

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One way is to change the "club trained" quota from 8 players in the 25 man squad to 8 in the game day 17.

That way clubs are compelled to produce their own and not take other less well off clubs better players.

people have the right to work for whoever will employ them.

Why not get DEFRA in on the act if you want to treat people like cattle?

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This would benefit Wigan and Leeds.  Do these clubs need additional benefits?

 

I love the idea of club trained players, but I also love the idea of free movement of labour, and appropriate recompense for players.  I could see that this could impact this.

 

But why shouldn't they reap the rewards from years of investment in youth development? 

 

 

 

(I do agree with your point about restriction of free movement though.)

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But why shouldn't they reap the rewards from years of investment in youth development? 

 

They already do.

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If you have to provide eight players from your own club's youth structure in every match day seventeen then that would stop some poaching of other clubs players. There are SL clubs who struggle to get eight in the 25 and rely on buy ins of other clubs talent.

Clubs should be responsible for their own recruitment and not reply on other providing players for them.

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If you have to provide eight players from your own club's youth structure in every match day seventeen then that would stop some poaching of other clubs players. There are SL clubs who struggle to get eight in the 25 and rely on buy ins of other clubs talent.

Clubs should be responsible for their own recruitment and not reply on other providing players for them.

That is a good idea. However on this years numbers Salford and Wakefield would be stuffed. The former would struggle badly under the idea especially, and their rich owner may not want to operate under such a handicap.

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In addition to a 'home grown' quota there should be some sort of incentive for clubs to bring their youngsters through.

If all 'home grown' players only counted say 75% on the salary cap it suddenly becomes a much more attractive proposition to use your own kids instead of buying in from other clubs - The more you bring through, the more you can spend !

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I wonder how long the list is of players from outside the keighley area who turned professional with keighley

Well I don't because its huge

And Hopkins would have turned pro with Salford if the deal hadn't fallen through

 

It didn't fall through he CHOSE his hometown club.

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jimmy taylor of leigh was a classic example of a player who would have made it in super league, i know for a fact he turned down the chance to join widnes when we were last in the top flight because he wanted to play for his home town club. sadly for RL jimmy never got the rewards his talent deserved but he was happy playing for leigh....

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It didn't fall through he CHOSE his hometown club.

So presumably he'll turn Wigan down for the same reason

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So presumably he'll turn Wigan down for the same reason

techically wigan are his home town club......leigh is part of wigan borough.

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techically wigan are his home town club......leigh is part of wigan borough.

Ah so if players who learn the game in Leigh turn pro with Wigan as hundreds have done over the years that's different

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techically wigan are his home town club......leigh is part of wigan borough.

Ah so if players who learn the game in Leigh turn pro with Wigan as hundreds have done over the years that's different

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is there an echo in here??

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is there an echo in here??

 

no

 

 

no

 

I wasn't having a go at you.

 

I just think that the idea of telling people what club they are allowed to play for unsavoury

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What a weird debate this has turned into!

 

It seems prety obvious to me that a player who previously played for a lower league club might get a chance to step up if he's good enough!  

 

You would think the discussion would be around whether he has the potential to play at SL level.  Anyone got any idea?  I've never seen him play.

 

Mike

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What a weird debate this has turned into!

 

It seems prety obvious to me that a player who previously played for a lower league club might get a chance to step up if he's good enough!  

 

You would think the discussion would be around whether he has the potential to play at SL level.  Anyone got any idea?  I've never seen him play.

 

Mike

 

Will make a great modern day 13, who can move to prop during a game. He will put on a stone or so and will be all the better for FT conditioning. Good feet and hands, with decent pace and acceleration. I expect him to make an impact next year.

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Has every chance of doing a Chris Hill, but probably more realistically an extra 12 months - see above

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What a weird debate this has turned into! It seems prety obvious to me that a player who previously played for a lower league club might get a chance to step up if he's good enough! You would think the discussion would be around whether he has the potential to play at SL level.

Not a lot to discuss Mike. If the Wigan scouts have spotted him and the coaches want him for Wigan, clearly expert opinion leaves us with the answer and nothing to discuss.

However there is the knock on issue of small clubs who want to be in Superleague facing the problem that as Superleague is about finding and developing fully professional players, then if a local SL club keeps picking their best off then they will never qualify to be an SL club on that criteria.

If their fans are disgruntled they may not bother to watch any more. If the best Leigh players go down the road, then any new fans for the game may follow them down there. What Superleague takes Championship clubs lose. Then the championship club is left being dependant on the SL club.

Which is what's happening so that's how we got to building Berlin walls around Leigh and proposing a checkpoint charlie on the road out to Wigan.

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Parky. That's the way it has always been, not just in rugby league, but all sports. Not great for the lower league clubs i admit, but difficult to stop unless something like the American football draft system is adopted. 

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Parky. That's the way it has always been, not just in rugby league, but all sports. Not great for the lower league clubs i admit, but difficult to stop unless something like the American football draft system is adopted.

I agree with you in a way, but I watched the game through the period that so many on here hanker back to.I used to watch Leeds and Hunslet and Leeds a rich club would take Hunslets best players whether Bill Ramsey, Dave Heron, or Jimmy Lowes. But they didn't take Featherstone's best - and they were not a rich club.

I think wages were generally low and loyalties strong, and travelling difficult in those days.

Today it's far more systematic.

Zac Hardaker turns out to be a good one and leeds are straight in and Zac won't have given it a thought as he wants to be a pro. So it has always been that way in a way, but to me the way it is now is more clinical and more ruinous the the chance of championship clubs ever being SL clubs. In the old days my club Hunslet could lose Jimmy Lowes but still manage to find a team to get into Division one and win a few games because it was semi professional. Today we could not manage to find a team to play professionally.

Our situation was Jimmy's gone, we'll find another semi pro hooker, easy. Leigh's situation is they only turn up a professional quality player once every couple of years or so, and they leave for Warrington and Wigan and thus Leigh can't get a professional team. Further to that we know that just getting in SL is not going to see you keep your best either.

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Parky - you are correct and that is why I have been asking for two tens in SL for nearly 10 years. SL2 allows a smaller club to have ambition and grow its own in a FT environment. IMO Leigh can produce far more players but we must be FT to do so, I think the same applies to Fev and Fax as well. Then you never know you get a fair wind and a bright sky, white knight, and you have a few years in the top tier built on solid foundations

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Parky - you are correct and that is why I have been asking for two tens in SL for nearly 10 years. SL2 allows a smaller club to have ambition and grow its own in a FT environment. IMO Leigh can produce far more players but we must be FT to do so, I think the same applies to Fev and Fax as well. Then you never know you get a fair wind and a bright sky, white knight, and you have a few years in the top tier built on solid foundations

Mate - I only wish all the clubs and fans all the best. Big problems for our game, and i hope you get the fair wind and bright sky for when the white knight rides in.......

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