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Please please please please give them full unconditional and complete independence NOW. Anything that means we'll see no more of Robertson and his band of undemocratic swivel-eyed loonies must be good for all!

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I am with you on the first bit but have no idea what you are talking about on the second.

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Turns out Robertson is ENGLISH!

loonies such as the woman panellist who claimed 1 in 29 londoners is a dollar millionaire, the lad in the audience who claimed the English attack in the streets those Scots who live in England, and Robertson himself who denied the right of non,Scots to have a say.

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Robertson came out with a massive incorrect assertion that we armed the Taliban during the Soviet-Afghan War. Someone should point out the Taliban weren't in existence until arguably late-1993, but more likely 1994. I'd have thought an SNP MP would at least get his facts right and know history!

 

That said, I actually enjoyed the programme. I thought all panel members spoke reasonably well, Galloway included. He is bloody annoying though! :D

 

As for the audience, I thought as a whole (bar the two muppets!) they were very good, argued their points well and questioned the panellists with their own theories and thoughts.

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I didn't see the programme. However, as I understand it

 

 -  Hague has obtained EU approval to provide arms for Al Quaeda-backed terrorists to take on Assad in Syria.

 - We went into Afghanistan to prevent the Islam fundamentalists from flooding the western world with heroin but, these days, allow the "friendly" Afghans to grow opium without problem or disruption.

 

You can't trust the word of the UK Foreign Office or the EU or the USA.

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 - We went into Afghanistan to prevent the Islam fundamentalists from flooding the western world with heroin but, these days, allow the "friendly" Afghans to grow opium without problem or disruption.

 

That's not quite true either is it?!

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Robertson came out with a massive incorrect assertion that we armed the Taliban during the Soviet-Afghan War. Someone should point out the Taliban weren't in existence until arguably late-1993, but more likely 1994. I'd have thought an SNP MP would at least get his facts right and know history!

That said, I actually enjoyed the programme. I thought all panel members spoke reasonably well, Galloway included. He is bloody annoying though! :D

As for the audience, I thought as a whole (bar the two muppets!) they were very good, argued their points well and questioned the panellists with their own theories and thoughts.

Agreed. It seemed to me also how close Farage and Galloway were on a number of points!

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Please please please please give them full unconditional and complete independence NOW. Anything that means we'll see no more of Robertson and his band of undemocratic swivel-eyed loonies must be good for all!

 

Only someone with your brand of loony, swivel-eyed, undemocratic politics could watch an edition of Question Time featuring Anas Sarwar MP (Labour), Ruth Davidson MSP (Tories), George Galloway MP (Respect) and Nigel Farage (UKIP), and then come to the conclusion that Angus Robertson was the swivel-eyed loony!  :tongue:

And why single out his party as being undemocratic? Compared to the other parties, which seem to have very little internal democracy, at least the SNP allows its membership to debate and decide policy. Labour democratic, when their representative is actually an example of that rare breed: a hereditary MP? Tories democratic when the Scottish party's policies are dictated by central office in London? Respect and UKIP democratic? Really?  :shout: 

And, sorry, but we'll make our decision in our own time!

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Turns out Robertson is ENGLISH!

loonies such as the woman panellist who claimed 1 in 29 londoners is a dollar millionaire, the lad in the audience who claimed the English attack in the streets those Scots who live in England, and Robertson himself who denied the right of non,Scots to have a say.

 

Robertson was born in England? So ****ing what? What has that got to do with him representing his constituents and Scotland?

There are two English members of the Scottish Government. There are 5 (or 6, I can't remember) English MSPs in Holyrood from the governing party. It doesn't stop them campaigning for Scottish independence or for the interests of Scotland. In fact, it origins are completely irrelevant. 

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I read on the BBC last week that if full indenpendance was gained Scotland would still want the pensions benefit system for England Wales and NI still to be run from Scotland.

If the Scotch :) want indepence then please take it in its entirety. All this moaning about being ruled from Westminster etc its the same boat as the former industrial heartlands of Other parts of the Uk

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Robertson was born in England? So ****ing what? What has that got to do with him representing his constituents and Scotland?

There are two English members of the Scottish Government. There are 5 (or 6, I can't remember) English MSPs in Holyrood from the governing party. It doesn't stop them campaigning for Scottish independence or for the interests of Scotland. In fact, it origins are completely irrelevant.

Eh up... Jock's back from the pub! He so sozzled that he does not know how many English people share his ideal of a fully independent Scotland and the sooner the better.

Last nights question time Illustrate exactly why. The two advocates on the panel , plus Methven and his irrational sensitivity, wail endlessly about 'self determination' get this seriously...on a residential basis...not on a .nationality bass! And no one is allowed to criticise? That's SNP democracy for you!

They are no different from the thugs who attacked Farage on his Scottish visit.

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Robertson was born in England? So ****ing what? What has that got to do with him representing his constituents and Scotland?

 

I agree with that but I do find it strange that people born in Scotland living elsewhere in the UK but consider themselves Scottish aren't allowed to vote.

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I agree with that but I do find it strange that people born in Scotland living elsewhere in the UK but consider themselves Scottish aren't allowed to vote.

 

To be fair anything other than using the electoral roll would be chaotic and expensive.  Though it does seem daft that a good percentage of voters will be English.

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Only someone with your brand of loony, swivel-eyed, undemocratic politics could watch an edition of Question Time featuring Anas Sarwar MP (Labour), Ruth Davidson MSP (Tories), George Galloway MP (Respect) and Nigel Farage (UKIP), and then come to the conclusion that Angus Robertson was the swivel-eyed loony! :tongue:

And why single out his party as being undemocratic? Compared to the other parties, which seem to have very little internal democracy, at least the SNP allows its membership to debate and decide policy. Labour democratic, when their representative is actually an example of that rare breed: a hereditary MP? Tories democratic when the Scottish party's policies are dictated by central office in London? Respect and UKIP democratic? Really? :shout:

And, sorry, but we'll make our decision in our own time!

Here down in England we are sick of living on caviar whilst our Scottish slaves attend to our every whim after a damned good flogging and that's only in Gipton

I'm sick of hearing about the English this and the English that and how downtrodden the scots are

Personally I'd like to see an independent Shetland with stronger ties with Norway a country the islands have more in common with than Scotland

Why do snp politicians seem such smug sanctimonious bastards

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We didn't go into Afghanistan to stop the poppy growing.  Might of been a nice side effect to of happened, but it wasn't why we went there.

 

http://adventofdeception.com/wikileaks-afghanistan-afghan-opium-war/

 

 

'In the wake of the 2001 US bombing of Afghanistan, the British government of Tony Blair was entrusted by the G-8 Group of leading industrial nations to carry out a drug eradication program, which would, in theory, allow Afghan farmers to switch out of poppy cultivation into alternative crops. The British were working out of Kabul in close liaison with the US DEA’s “Operation Containment”. '

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And why single out his party as being undemocratic? Compared to the other parties, which seem to have very little internal democracy, at least the SNP allows its membership to debate and decide policy. Labour democratic, when their representative is actually an example of that rare breed: a hereditary MP? Tories democratic when the Scottish party's policies are dictated by central office in London?

There is no such thing as a "hereditary MP" - all MPs are elected and I can't see how the Tories are not democratic if their policies are decided across the UK. It is like arguing that the SNP aren't democratic because the Shetlanders don't set their own policies.

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I didn't see the programme. However, as I understand it

 

 -  Hague has obtained EU approval to provide arms for Al Quaeda-backed terrorists to take on Assad in Syria.

I daresay (without watching it) that Gorgeous George came out with this. Galloway was a regular presenter (and probably still is) on Press TV the English language mouthpiece of the Iranian regime that sponsors both Hamas and Hezbollah. They also sponsor Assad.

 

Naturally it suits his paymasters to make out that the West is backing Al Qaeda against Assad. In fact the West would be backing the FSA, who are a pile of stinky poo but not Al Qaeda.

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Here down in England we are sick of living on caviar whilst our Scottish slaves attend to our every whim after a damned good flogging and that's only in Gipton

I'm sick of hearing about the English this and the English that and how downtrodden the scots are

Personally I'd like to see an independent Shetland with stronger ties with Norway a country the islands have more in common with than Scotland

Why do snp politicians seem such smug sanctimonious bastards

Indeed. It's Shetland's oil.

 

http://www.shetlandtimes.co.uk/2013/03/18/tavish-baits-salmond-with-its-wir-oil-claim

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I read on the BBC last week that if full indenpendance was gained Scotland would still want the pensions benefit system for England Wales and NI still to be run from Scotland.

If the Scotch :) want indepence then please take it in its entirety. All this moaning about being ruled from Westminster etc its the same boat as the former industrial heartlands of Other parts of the Uk

They also want to continue using the pound and British passports. It's a joke.

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To be fair anything other than using the electoral roll would be chaotic and expensive.  Though it does seem daft that a good percentage of voters will be English.

Well they do live there, it would be terrible to deprive them of a say in how they are governed.

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Until there's such a thing as Scottish nationality (legally, e.g. with a passport or ID card) then you can only use the electoral roll. Because that's what the vote is partially about!

There are so many unclear things about the result of this vote (e.g. passports amongst many other things) I can't see how anyone can take a decision other than on gut feeling. Precious few believable facts around from what I can see.

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 - We went into Afghanistan to prevent the Islam fundamentalists from flooding the western world with heroin but, these days, allow the "friendly" Afghans to grow opium without problem or disruption.

 

That doesn't tell me anything other than we have failed miserably with the eradication process. However, we didn't go to Afghanistan in 2001 to eradicate poppies. Our mission was to destroy i.e. kill, Al Qaeda in Afghanistan as an organisation. When that was achieved, under the auspices of NATO, we moved into a Stabilisation mission, which would have included poppy eradication when it was identified by Commanders and policymakers as the cash crop for fuelling the growing insurgency.

 

For what it is worth, we don't willing let Afghans grow poppies out of complete disregard for the consequences. We could probably wipe out the entire poppy harvest each year if we really wanted to. But could you imagine the ramifications of such a policy? Most of the rural population rely on farming as their main source of income. As poppy is the main cash crop, you'd alienate the vast majority of the rural popualtion across the entire country. That isn't going to make GIRoA look particular good in the eyes of the population is it?!

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Until there's such a thing as Scottish nationality (legally, e.g. with a passport or ID card) then you can only use the electoral roll. Because that's what the vote is partially about!

 

Fair point. But what about birth certificates etc? Yes it would be a monumental organisational task but on an issue so important, is it not right to consult all Scots (+ other nationalities living in Scotland)? I know many people who are Scottish but live elsewhere who want to have a vote on the issue.

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