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after yesterdays sentencing for the pre meditated murder of 2 policewomen amongst many other despicable acts should we just save our taxpayers money and terminate the likes of the perpetrator ? in these times of dna and quilt beyond any doubt should special dispensation be made in certain cases?

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Not quite over.As someone slightly to the right of centre, I also say no, no, no , no and no. Never. Ever. 

 

1. It is no deterrent, thus having it would not have stopped this guy. When people could be hung just for stealing a sheep, guess what? They still stole sheep.

2.The state must never have the authority to end someone's life. Too much room for error. See stefan kiszko case (and others)

3. If the penalty fir murder is capital, then once someone has killed with malice aforethought, there is nothing to stop a massacre.

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We would have hung the Guildford Four and the Birmingham Six. With that in mind I can never agree with capital punishment. I know that there is DNA evidence in this case but what about the next one? Will there be a 'miracle method' in the future that will prove beyond any doubt (and then turn out to be flawed)?

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Not quite over.As someone slightly to the right of centre, I also say no, no, no , no and no. Never. Ever. 

 

1. It is no deterrent, thus having it would not have stopped this guy. When people could be hung just for stealing a sheep, guess what? They still stole sheep.

2.The state must never have the authority to end someone's life. Too much room for error. See stefan kiszko case (and others)

3. If the penalty fir murder is capital, then once someone has killed with malice aforethought, there is nothing to stop a massacre.

and a lifetime of having your meals made with no need to work or pay bills etc is a deterrent?

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the days of forced confessions and framing are well over (its not the sweeny 1973 anymore), an ultimate review panel should sit and make a decision based on all the evidence modern police work brings to them

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That is the entire point. There is no deterrent to these people. I venture to suggest that the life this guy is going to lead is more of a detterant than killing.   The death penalty will not make the slightest difference. It is the mark of a civilised society that the sate is NOT empower to kill people.

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the days of forced confessions and framing are well over (its not the sweeny 1973 anymore), an ultimate review panel should sit and make a decision based on all the evidence modern police work brings to them

 you know this for a fact.

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 you know this for a fact.

cmon- the police daren't fart in the wrong direction these days without fear of a libel case-times have changed

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the days of forced confessions and framing are well over (its not the sweeny 1973 anymore), an ultimate review panel should sit and make a decision based on all the evidence modern police work brings to them

 

The number of cases that are still happen suggest otherwise.

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That is the entire point. There is no deterrent to these people. I venture to suggest that the life this guy is going to lead is more of a detterant than killing.   The death penalty will not make the slightest difference. It is the mark of a civilised society that the sate is NOT empower to kill people.

im afraid these liberal views are making your society a lot less "civilised" than it should be, a percentage of society are no better than animals.

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Yes, bring it back for terrorist murder and pre-meditated murder.

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if I had to choose between injecting a faithful german shepard  who had "nipped" the delivery man and a grinning multiple rapist , it wouldn't take me long to decide where to stick the needle.

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Not quite over.As someone slightly to the right of centre, I also say no, no, no , no and no. Never. Ever.

1. It is no deterrent, thus having it would not have stopped this guy. When people could be hung just for stealing a sheep, guess what? They still stole sheep.

2.The state must never have the authority to end someone's life. Too much room for error. See stefan kiszko case (and others)

3. If the penalty fir murder is capital, then once someone has killed with malice aforethought, there is nothing to stop a massacre.

Agreed.

The problem lies with the fact that if he'd received appropriate sentences for previous crimes he had committed he would have been off the streets.

Sentencing for crimes in this country is a total disgrace and the people responsible for governance of this have blood on their hands. Needs minimum mandatory sentencing for all crimes. Simple

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I think there is a case for people like Cregan. He'll never come out of jail or be any use to anyone. Simply saying 'it makes us better than them' is pretty unconvincing imo. We need protection from such ####

I don't have a problem with vermin like him being taken out. It's not even like what he did is in dispute. I can easily cope with the scenario of him being killed by the state. Live by the sword and all that

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I'm pretty sure I'm against the death penalty. However, I wouldn't want to much investigation into certain people if they fell down a lot of concrete stairs.

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I'm pretty sure I'm against the death penalty. However, I wouldn't want to much investigation into certain people if they fell down a lot of concrete stairs.

This.

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im afraid these liberal views are making your society a lot less "civilised" than it should be, a percentage of society are no better than animals.

 

State killing demeans society and thus demeans us all. 

 

In any case, it is not going to happen, not now, not tomorrow, not ever. 

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They have capital punishment in the USA. It doesn't work, and can only be justified if you believe that pure vengeance equates to justice.

 

Anyway, I may be wrong but isn't it incompatible with EU membership?

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State killing demeans society and thus demeans us all.

In any case, it is not going to happen, not now, not tomorrow, not ever.

Yet if a guy rings for two policewomen, shoot them in cold blood *his* right to life is sacrosanct? What about our right to not have such #### in our towns znd cities?

In what universe or plane is that just?

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