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whereabouts in Holland are you from?

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Dutch police are like Van der Valk and those two off Harry Enfield. FACT

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Dutch police are like Van der Valk and those two off Harry Enfield. FACT

It's true

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whats happened in Shipley last night? hardly made the national news, just another routine murder and the attempted murder of a child, everyday stuff, hardly worth a mention, am sure the person responsible deserves to be well looked after for the next 30 years at our expense anyway.

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whats happened in Shipley last night? hardly made the national news, just another routine murder and the attempted murder of a child, everyday stuff, hardly worth a mention, am sure the person responsible deserves to be well looked after for the next 30 years at our expense anyway.

The guy was arrested about 1/2 a mile from my house. Still no idea what went on.

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The guy was arrested about 1/2 a mile from my house. Still no idea what went on.

you had the chance to take him out?

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you had the chance to take him out?

Lol it was about midnight last night I was asleep. It was some distance away from the crimes.

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Dutch police are like Van der Valk and those two off Harry Enfield. FACT

Fast Show wasn't it?

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whats happened in Shipley last night? hardly made the national news, just another routine murder and the attempted murder of a child, everyday stuff, hardly worth a mention, am sure the person responsible deserves to be well looked after for the next 30 years at our expense anyway.

I spent all day in a place where rollingf news was on tv

the story was a top story throughout the day

on my way home it was a lead story on bbc national radio

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Just occasionally, i read news stories that makes me consider my stance on the death penalty for extreme cases.  I read this story today and was beyond sickened, please do not read the detail in the link at the bottom of this link unless you really want to have a ###### day.

 

1.  How can anyone do this to a baby.

2.  How can anyone stand back and willingly allow someone else to do this to their baby.

 

It's not often that I get vigilante feelings but this is one case.

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Just occasionally, i read news stories that makes me consider my stance on the death penalty for extreme cases.  I read this story today and was beyond sickened, please do not read the detail in the link at the bottom of this link unless you really want to have a ###### day.

 

1.  How can anyone do this to a baby.

2.  How can anyone stand back and willingly allow someone else to do this to their baby.

 

It's not often that I get vigilante feelings but this is one case.

I haven't read the link but I can imagine the barbarity, and, to be honest, I could take someone like that apart, very slowly, piece-by-piece, with a very blunt knife. An individual's reaction based upon horror and disgust, though, is very different to how a state, through its criminal justice system, should act.

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I haven't read the link but I can imagine the barbarity, and, to be honest, I could take someone like that apart, very slowly, piece-by-piece, with a very blunt knife. An individual's reaction based upon horror and disgust, though, is very different to how a state, through its criminal justice system, should act.

Why?

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I haven't read the link but I can imagine the barbarity, and, to be honest, I could take someone like that apart, very slowly, piece-by-piece, with a very blunt knife. An individual's reaction based upon horror and disgust, though, is very different to how a state, through its criminal justice system, should act.

I feel like you, and similarly don't want to read the details.

 

But if the individual who committed this act were to be executed I would shed no tears at all.

 

Some crimes are so horrific that I believe that the individuals who commit them are beyond redemption.

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I feel like you, and similarly don't want to read the details.

But if the individual who committed this act were to be executed I would shed no tears at all.

Some crimes are so horrific that I believe that the individuals who commit them are beyond redemption.

True

And if they are found guilty they should join the group of lifers who will never be released

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True

And if they are found guilty they should join the group of lifers who will never be released

But given what they have done, why do they have the right to still exist? Surely there is a point whereby you commit such heinous crimes you should have your own worthless life forfeited?

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But given what they have done, why do they have the right to still exist? Surely there is a point whereby you commit such heinous crimes you should have your own worthless life forfeited?

No there isn't. We are going round in circles here.

I'm with Martin, I wouldn't shed a year if this man met his end and soon, but I strongly disagree with the death penalty.

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No there isn't. We are going round in circles here.

I'm with Martin, I wouldn't shed a year if this man met his end and soon, but I strongly disagree with the death penalty.

So anyone can commit any number of revolting crimes and they are effectively guaranteed to be protected? I can't accept that.

Look at the vermin that did this. They will be caged. People will be told their is no money for their cancer treatment, old people will freeze for fear of the heating bills, yet the money to keep these #### will always be found. Why *can't* we just take them out? What is the benefit in keeping them alive? Who would give a flying one if they were executed?

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Certainly not me, but it is becoming a recurring, and very boring thread in discussions on here, and it always the same people spouting the same nonsense.

Not a thought at all for the victims of these scumbags, but all the pity in the world for the poor things who will be in prison for the rest of their lives.

The world, or more particularly a few posters on here, has gone mad.

I don't quite get what you are saying. People on both sides of this discussion has expressed pity and sorrow for the victims of the heinous crimes that have been discussed. However, when deciding whether the death penalty is appropriate for a society to implement there are other issues that need to be taken into account.

There's an assumption that incarceration is an easy ride when it is nothing of the sort. The loss of liberty for the rest of your life is an extreme punishment and quite rightly so in the case of the criminals that are being discussed. Life behind bars is a miserable existence, just look at what happened to the killer of April Jones.

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I shouldn't have to care about the killer of April Jones, he should already be underground.

I'm not saying you should, and FWIW I don't.

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Apparently European judges have deemed it ' 'degrading and inhuman' for anyone to serve a whole life sentence. So what now?

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Good article by Grace Dent in The Independent. Sums up my own views.

Appalled by the fuss over human rights for serial killers? Try Dubai

"I live in Britain – not Dubai, not Hong Kong, not Moscow – and will never leave, and love my country, because at its heart it is civilised, fair and mindful about the concept of human rights. It does this on my behalf, even during the times I may feel wholly savage."

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/appalled-by-the-fuss-over-human-rights-for-serial-killers-try-dubai-8700709.html

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Apparently European judges have deemed it ' 'degrading and inhuman' for anyone to serve a whole life sentence. So what now?

That's a media over-reaction, what the court actually said was that you can sentence someone to an eternity in prison on the condition that you review that as time goes on, you can't have a system that says we're locking you up forever and never giving it another review.  That review could fairly be once every 20 years with the criminal being given a rant then told "review rejected".

 

The problem that they have in the ECHR is that they're a precedent setting body for every one of the 47 countries in the Council of Europe.  Take, for example, if the case had gone the other way, there are countries in the Council of Europe who still lock up people for political "crimes", these people would have had no right for review of their case if the ECHR agreed with the UK that states should be able to lock up people and throw away the key without review.

 

If you set a court of appeal to set minimum standards for 47 separate countries then don't complain when you're set minimum standards that have in mind potential abuses by those countries with lower standards of human rights.

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That's a media over-reaction, what the court actually said was that you can sentence someone to an eternity in prison on the condition that you review that as time goes on, you can't have a system that says we're locking you up forever and never giving it another review. That review could fairly be once every 20 years with the criminal being given a rant then told "review rejected".

The problem that they have in the ECHR is that they're a precedent setting body for every one of the 47 countries in the Council of Europe. Take, for example, if the case had gone the other way, there are countries in the Council of Europe who still lock up people for political "crimes", these people would have had no right for review of their case if the ECHR agreed with the UK that states should be able to lock up people and throw away the key without review.

If you set a court of appeal to set minimum standards for 47 separate countries then don't complain when you're set minimum standards that have in mind potential abuses by those countries with lower standards of human rights.

Newspapers being newspapers I imagine there is a bit of exaggeration thrown in.

But at the core of it lies the truth. If they decide we cannot keep people like the Ripper locked up indefinitely, then that's that.

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Good article by Grace Dent in The Independent. Sums up my own views.

Appalled by the fuss over human rights for serial killers? Try Dubai

"I live in Britain – not Dubai, not Hong Kong, not Moscow – and will never leave, and love my country, because at its heart it is civilised, fair and mindful about the concept of human rights. It does this on my behalf, even during the times I may feel wholly savage."

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/appalled-by-the-fuss-over-human-rights-for-serial-killers-try-dubai-8700709.html

So we base our response to repugnant, evil murderers on what allows Grace Dent to sleep at night?

She doesn't lose any sleep about children like April Jones being killed by such people, what's *really* important is how we treat the murderers. Insane

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