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Yorkshire v Lancashire really 'failed' didn't it?

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Pushing! I heard he shoulder charged it many moons ago. Illegally of course.

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It's a fact that none of those places are in Lancashire.

Whether or not they are proud Greater Mancunians or not has no effect on whether they are proud Lancastrians. What affinity do people really feel for their county in most of England nowadays? I lived in Ireland where they have a genuine affinity and will often state their county of birth before their town.

I made the genuine point that a concept built on historical county boundaries has problems ones that are only likely to get worse as the length of time gets longer. I suspect if you went into a secondary school in Salford, Wigan, St Helens, Warrington etc there would be a large percentage who weren't even aware that their town used to be in Lancashire. These are the people that we will be expecting to get passionate about being from Lancashire in a Roses concept.

It's often an admittance of defeat when somebody cannot engage in an actual conversation without resorting to personal insults.

I agree.

Take that Pottsy, you old budgie faced git! ;)

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People are absolutely obsessed with this notion that the Exiles are on this downward trajectory: why not just concern ourselves with the here and now, for now? There are plenty of options for strengthening the Exiles. For one, they should have let French players participate from day one and they can still introduce that.

30-10 was not a flogging and Scubby needs to give his head a shake for that one. Almost Lobby-esque.

 

I've travelled all over the world to watch England/GB but just can't get into this. I'm sorry but at 24-0 everyone lost interest. England were rubbish in the second half and it should have been an absolute flogging.

 

The flaw in the concept was trying to create this Anzac/Exiles type thing - when it should be the best non-qualified England players. That Exiles team was old (ave age 31) and this will only get worse. You can't have a concept like the Exiles when there is no production line (i.e. emerging players coming through).

 

The problem with promoting it is that the players know that Chris Bailey, Heath L'Estrange, Lance Hohaia etc. are plodders, the fans know they are plodders. Where is the anticipation? When we had Trent Barrett, Steve Renouf, Allan Langer, Stacey Jones, Jamie Lyon and Lesley Vainakolo to choose from then the shirt is worth something. The Exiles could conceivably have David Howell, Dean Collis and Josh Perry playing next year FFS.

 

Call it something like the Barbarians or give it a real French flavour (e.g. a French word for the team name) and it may have some legs. Brough, Bosc and young emerging non-English stars should be in there like Escare, Larroyer etc. Even invite one or 2 guest superstars over to play - like Benji Marshall or Manu Vatuvai - but give the paying public some anticipation to part with their cash!

 

The promotion of it this year was almost apologetic.

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Isn't that essentially what the Exiles is supposed to be?

They've missed a trick (although I'm told it's due to visa related complexities) by not allowing Welshmen, Frenchmen and the likes of Danny Brough to play.

I was actually writing about the need for an RL Barbarians over a decade ago. Makes me feel old!

I'vebeen going on about it for a while as well

 

what we have wit the exils is a scratch team put together to give the engklaand team a fairly realistic hit out.

 

They shoulkd be a club, with its own culture and developing history. It should be an honour to play for them and the club should have its own president-there arent enough honours in he game honour distinguished people in it. It should have its own headquarters perhaps at somewhere like the George and it should elect members , be involved in charities and so on, with the exiles game(s) being part of the calendar players houldn't be just selected from overseas players based in the uk. Let' start a new tradition

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I've travelled all over the world to watch England/GB but just can't get into this. I'm sorry but at 24-0 everyone lost interest. England were rubbish in the second half and it should have been an absolute flogging.

The flaw in the concept was trying to create this Anzac/Exiles type thing - when it should be the best non-qualified England players. That Exiles team was old (ave age 31) and this will only get worse. You can't have a concept like the Exiles when there is no production line (i.e. emerging players coming through).

Maybe this is the start of teams signing Aussies at a young age and bringing them through? We've got Jacob Miller coming over to Hull this weekend.

The problem with promoting it is that the players know that Chris Bailey, Heath L'Estrange, Lance Hohaia etc. are plodders, the fans know they are plodders. Where is the anticipation? When we had Trent Barrett, Steve Renouf, Allan Langer, Stacey Jones, Jamie Lyon and Lesley Vainakolo to choose from then the shirt is worth something. The Exiles could conceivably have David Howell, Dean Collis and Josh Perry playing next year FFS.

But so is JJB but he gets picked all the time!

it something like the Barbarians or give it a real French flavour (e.g. a French word for the team name) and it may have some legs. Brough, Bosc and young emerging non-English stars should be in there like Escare, Larroyer etc. Even invite one or 2 guest superstars over to play - like Benji Marshall or Manu Vatuvai - but give the paying public some anticipation to part with their cash!

Why?! Why this need to call it the Barbarians and get compared unflatteringly to rugby union every time.

Would the FFR13 allow their players to take part in this when they could be (should be) having their own internationals.

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What could you possibly seek to gain by 'borrowing' a brand synonymous with an institution that spent 100 years trying to systematically crush us other than ridicule and negative comparisons?

Did the doomed Harlequins RL folly teach us nothing?

Rugby League should be celebrating its own proud heritage, not fawning pathetically over someone else's!

The Exiles would've seemed like far less of a contrivance had someone at the RFL had the sense to make the obvious link with the proud history of Other Nationalities games. A few tweaks to the kit, a couple of grainy VTs/interviews with past ON stars and a bit more reverence to our own past and the Exiles would've had (and still could have much more lustre).

We are rugby league!

they dont have to be called the barbarians, in  fact they shouldn't be. It's the concept that's worth adopting IMHO

 

oh and the barbarians were founded before the split they are part of our history as well

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I think the Exiles concept would have worked better a few years ago when the standard of international players in SL was much higher, or at least had the perception of being higher.  10 years ago an Exiles team could have fielded the likes of Henry Paul, Robbie Paul, Michael Withers, Leslie Vanikolo, Brett Dallas, Adrian Lam, Matt Adamson, Craig Smith, etc.,.  A bit more appealing than seeing Lance Hohaia, Heath L'Estrange, and Zeb Taia.

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I'vebeen going on about it for a while as well

what we have wit the exils is a scratch team put together to give the engklaand team a fairly realistic hit out.

They shoulkd be a club, with its own culture and developing history. It should be an honour to play for them and the club should have its own president-there arent enough honours in he game honour distinguished people in it. It should have its own headquarters perhaps at somewhere like the George and it should elect members , be involved in charities and so on, with the exiles game(s) being part of the calendar players houldn't be just selected from overseas players based in the uk. Let' start a new tradition

I always liked the idea of calling the team 'The Baskivilles' after the bloke who kickstarted international RL by organising the first All Golds tour (and died on the way home!). But in retrospect it's a bloody terrible name.

The Exiles as a brand works fine but they need to make more effort to tap into the Other Nationalities heritage. I like some of your ideas though.

Billy Boston as chairman of the Exiles RLFC?

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I agree with lang. Treat ot seriously ams see what happens.

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I always liked the idea of calling the team 'The Baskivilles' after the bloke who kickstarted international RL by organising the first All Golds tour (and died on the way home!). But in retrospect it's a bloody terrible name.

The Exiles as a brand works fine but they need to make more effort to tap into the Other Nationalities heritage. I like some of your ideas though.

Billy Boston as chairman of the Exiles RLFC?

what a fine first president he would be

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when i started watching RL this was the game i always looked for to and the red rose usually won............

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I always liked the idea of calling the team 'The Baskivilles' after the bloke who kickstarted international RL by organising the first All Golds tour (and died on the way home!). But in retrospect it's a bloody terrible name.

The Exiles as a brand works fine but they need to make more effort to tap into the Other Nationalities heritage. I like some of your ideas though.

Billy Boston as chairman of the Exiles RLFC?

How about the "Messengers"?

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when i started watching RL this was the game i always looked for to and the red rose usually won............

I'm not going to ask you your age but do you think that young people from Widnes, Warrington, Wigan etc identify as Lancastrian these days?

In my life I've probably only heard somebody say 2 or 3 times the old 'Widnes is really in Lancashire,' line and I don't think I've heard it for 15 years or from anybody under 50. People of my generation (late 20's) are aware that we used to be part of Lancashire but I don't know anyone that is passionate about our return.

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The main problem for mine is that if the strength of the game in the UK improves, then the reliance on overseas players will be less, and therefore the Exiles will gradually become weaker and weaker. The concept is completely flawed in this respect, and therefore IMO there is no long term future for the Exiles.

The two competing teams need to be inter-dependent in some way - i.e. as the strength of the game in the UK improves, then the standard of both teams will improve. My personal solution would be to have home nations tests in the Summer that act as a trial for GB in the autumn (which would encourage the likes of Brough, Horne etc to play for Scotland, McIllorum to play for Ireland etc and therefore strengthen these teams up), but that's been covered in numerous other threads and has been slated to high heaven...

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The main problem for mine is that if the strength of the game in the UK improves, then the reliance on overseas players will be less, and therefore the Exiles will gradually become weaker and weaker. The concept is completely flawed in this respect, and therefore IMO there is no long term future for the Exiles.

The two competing teams need to be inter-dependent in some way - i.e. as the strength of the game in the UK improves, then the standard of both teams will improve. My personal solution would be to have home nations tests in the Summer that act as a trial for GB in the autumn (which would encourage the likes of Brough, Horne etc to play for Scotland, McIllorum to play for Ireland etc and therefore strengthen these teams up), but that's been covered in numerous other threads and has been slated to high heaven...

But that won't happen if it takes up the barbarians ethos

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Who can England play that's a test?

That's what it all comes down.

How do we know it's a test if we don't play them?

30-10 last night

44-6 and 48-4 last time we played France. Not Oceans of difference between the two. If the World Cup is a primary target how come we are plating only 1 game prior to the tournament. Fag packet springs to mind. We should be playing against an itnernational team of any notion at least once, maybe the Knights too AT LEAST. Fag packet springs to mind.

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How do we know it's a test if we don't play them?

We have played them. We do know.

30-10 last night

44-6 and 48-4 last time we played France. Not Oceans of difference between the two.

England vs Exiles:

2013: 30-10

2012: 18-10, 20-32

2011: 12-16

England vs France (mid-season):

2010: 60-6 (Leigh)

2009: 66-12 (Paris)

2008: 56-8 (Toulouse)

There is a world of difference in the results. The Exiles can, and have, turned over England. France's closest result was just avoiding getting beat by over 50 points once. Mid-season, they are no test.

If the World Cup is a primary target how come we are plating only 1 game prior to the tournament. Fag packet springs to mind. We should be playing against an itnernational team of any notion at least once, maybe the Knights too AT LEAST. Fag packet springs to mind.

You don't need to say it twice.

Maybe they're worried about player burn out?

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But that won't happen if it takes up the barbarians ethos

Fair point - it remains to be seen whether the powers-that-be adopt that ethos or not though.

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I am 42 born in St Helens living near Carlisle but have no real affinity for any of the counties I could align myself to. War of the Roses just doesn't mean enough. Exiles games are dull without a sense of support in the opponent hence London, if we are including the welsh play it in Wales. Though the truth is they'd prefer a proper international - as would I

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Well worth noting that its 2 all in games been played and about 12 points difference now that would say to me that the exiles concept has certainly provided more then a competitive match for England which is vital. For me as a sport the emphasis really needs to gear towards England the international game and more rep footy which in the long run will help the sport by playing more international games. I also believe there's room and mileage in the war of the roses there's nothing wrong with the fact the majority of our players come from this area the concept has abit of history if you like about it and I reckon it could really grow given time and effort.

12 team super league including toulose 23 games including the magic weekend gives us 4 extra weeks during season, week before season starts England play France every year in a pre season test, have a 4 week break from super league mid season giving us the 3 war of the roses games back to back and try to cram up the intrest in a short period of time with the 4th week been England v the exiles

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Why not have Yorkshire and Lancashire play warm up games against Cumbria and a South team made up of Wales and London players, a bit like the City v Country game.

Ths would be in the build up to a War of the Roses clash that had additional meaning, such as a Test team selection panel sitting after the game. The game would need to be well marketed and players would need to genuinely buy into it and crank up the bitterness.

Players who make themselves unavailable would also be stood dwn from club duty, we wouldn't need to reinvent the wheel here just copy the SoO rules.

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We have played them. We do know.

England vs Exiles:

2013: 30-10

2012: 18-10, 20-32

2011: 12-16

England vs France (mid-season):

2010: 60-6 (Leigh)

2009: 66-12 (Paris)

2008: 56-8 (Toulouse)

There is a world of difference in the results. The Exiles can, and have, turned over England. France's closest result was just avoiding getting beat by over 50 points once. Mid-season, they are no test.

You don't need to say it twice.

Maybe they're worried about player burn out?

I'll say it till it happens. I picked the latest results.

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I'll say it till it happens. I picked the latest results.

Until what happens?

The latest results still show a huge gap. The mid-season game makes that gap even bigger.

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Big pile of cash. Winner takes all.

Who's paying? The fans won't be. Why would they care?

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