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Yorkshire v Lancashire really 'failed' didn't it?

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Keep the exiles game but play it when Australia and nz play their anzac fixture, which is also close to st Georges day.

Then the opening weekend of the season should be Yorkshire v Lancashire, everyone will be up for it after the close season (the nrl start with their all star game which goes down well)

I don't think any team would agree to releasing players a week or two before the season starts, spend all pre-season together then go off and train for a week or so as a rep side, at a time when clubs are already a little bit rusty. I know the Aussies do it but isn't that game billed as a glorified friendly with a number of trial rules, etc?

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just imagine it they did resurrect this game, our squad looks pretty much unbeatable:

sam tomkins

chris riley

kallum watkins

darryl goulding

josh charnley

joe mellor

richie myler

chris hill

james roby

james graham

gareth hock

tyrone mc carthy

sean o'loughlin

stefan ratchford

michael mcillorum

adrian morley

lee mossop

Mossop is Cumbrian but he could be replaced by Dom Crosby who has been impressive or even Adam Sidlow could add some impact off the bench.

Martin Gleeson could also be considered as Watkins' centre partner.

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Ridiculous statement. Given you are recalling Graham from Australia and having the Irish Tyrone McCarthy, the Yorkshire team could be

Hardaker

Briscoe

Cudjoe

Reed

Hall

Widdop

Brough

Peacock

Mcillorum

George Burgess

Ellis

Westwood

Sam Burgess

Houghton/Burrow

Ablett

Crabtree

Ferres

This would give more than a run for your money and I would be firmly backing Yorkshire.

Alex Walmsley, Daryl Clark and Tom Lineham would be pushing for a spot too, i would love to see this game happen.

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You wouldn't get any NRL players in so I don't know why people are naming them!

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Ryan bailey tweeted this week tht he wntd the concept back. If players also want it thn surely the rfl shud look at it for after the world cup

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People say nobody cares about this rivalry yet we're already arguing over the merits of two teams in a game that isn't even going to happen!

Who said nobody cares? People have said that not enough people care to make it a success and that it is a flawed concept.

It had 100 years to create a decent rivalry but the best it managed in all that time was 18,000 and that was generations ago with many crowds in the low thousands.

People have very selective memories, we did this 10 years ago with very little outcry or disappointment when it was dropped. In the immediate years after there was almost no call for its return. It's only as people forget the reality of it that it comes back on the agenda.

I look forward to calls in 2023 for the return of the Exiles game.

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Ryan bailey tweeted this week tht he wntd the concept back. If players also want it thn surely the rfl shud look at it for after the world cup

I'm not sure even the most biased Leeds fan would think Ryan Bailey speaks for all the players of Super League.

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The Exiles concept is dead in the water in its current guise. I would prefer England to play a round robin with the Celts, France, Anzacs, and the Pacific Island all stars

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I'd also like to see Lancs, Yorks, Cumbria and Other counties to play in a knockout as an England trial.

P.s. I always say I'm from Lancashire even though some total numpties decided to create an artificial county. Personally I do not recognise "Greater Manchester" and hope they redraw the boundaries again

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The attendances were excellent for the period when they were played, and look amazing compared to the Exiles, which have now posted 2 sub-8,000 attendances, something the Roses matches never did, both of which below the same season Super League average (even with the decline this year) which the Roses attendances never were.

 

Just to show bollards

 

1906 5,000

1907 7,000

1908 5,000

1909 6,000

1910 2,000

1912 3,199

1912 4.000

1913 3,500

1919, 5,000

1920 7,000

1921 4,000

1924 4,000

1928 6,250

1932 4,000

1933 2,000

1939 1,500

1935 6,700

1936 7,648

1938 3,653

1938 3,000

1946 5,000

1949 7,000

1950 6,547

1957 6,200

1958 5,000

1959 6,417

1961 4,970

1962 7,956

1964 6,331

1965 5,847

1968 6,656

1969 4,652

1971 2,000

1971 4,226

1978 4,283

1979 2,744

1980 1,593

1981 1,222

1982 1,783

1985 6,743

1986 5,893

 

After that no single game got to 11,000

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Just to show bollards

1906 5,000

1907 7,000

1908 5,000

1909 6,000

1910 2,000

1912 3,199

1912 4.000

1913 3,500

1919, 5,000

1920 7,000

1921 4,000

1924 4,000

1928 6,250

1932 4,000

1933 2,000

1939 1,500

1935 6,700

1936 7,648

1938 3,653

1938 3,000

1946 5,000

1949 7,000

1950 6,547

1957 6,200

1958 5,000

1959 6,417

1961 4,970

1962 7,956

1964 6,331

1965 5,847

1968 6,656

1969 4,652

1971 2,000

1971 4,226

1978 4,283

1979 2,744

1980 1,593

1981 1,222

1982 1,783

1985 6,743

1986 5,893

After that no single game got to 11,000

You've gotta love the logic that says the Exiles is a massive failure but because the worst Roses attendances (in 2002) got a few hundred more they weren't.

Your stats show figures after the war when RL attendances hit their highest. If it was gonna take off why didn't it then? There's little point trying now when one of the counties doesn't even have any clubs anymore.

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Just to show bollards

1906 5,000

1907 7,000

1908 5,000

1909 6,000

1910 2,000

1912 3,199

1912 4.000

1913 3,500

1919, 5,000

1920 7,000

1921 4,000

1924 4,000

1928 6,250

1932 4,000

1933 2,000

1939 1,500

1935 6,700

1936 7,648

1938 3,653

1938 3,000

1946 5,000

1949 7,000

1950 6,547

1957 6,200

1958 5,000

1959 6,417

1961 4,970

1962 7,956

1964 6,331

1965 5,847

1968 6,656

1969 4,652

1971 2,000

1971 4,226

1978 4,283

1979 2,744

1980 1,593

1981 1,222

1982 1,783

1985 6,743

1986 5,893

After that no single game got to 11,000

You've gotta love the logic that says the Exiles is a massive failure but because the worst Roses attendances (in 2002) got a few hundred more they weren't.

Your stats show figures after the war when RL attendances hit their highest. If it was gonna take off why didn't it then? There's little point trying now when one of the counties doesn't even have any clubs anymore.

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I'd also like to see Lancs, Yorks, Cumbria and Other counties to play in a knockout as an England trial.

P.s. I always say I'm from Lancashire even though some total numpties decided to create an artificial county. Personally I do not recognise "Greater Manchester" and hope they redraw the boundaries again

What makes the original boundaries natural?

I doubt there are many proud Greater Mancunians but the number of proud Lancastrians in those areas is inevitably dwindling.

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What makes the original boundaries natural?

I doubt there are many proud Greater Mancunians but the number of proud Lancastrians in those areas is inevitably dwindling.

I don't understand why they didn't just name Merseyside "West Lancashire", Gtr Manchester "East Lancashire" and what's now Lancashire as "North Lancashire"? Would have probably made a lot more sense!

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People say nobody cares about this rivalry yet we're already arguing over the merits of two teams in a game that isn't even going to happen!

 

The wars of the roses crowds rose to over 10,000 by 1989 but IIRC it was half paced stuff in which Lancashire players withdrew at the last minute "injured" and the final match was an embarrassing 50 point win at a canter for Yorkshire, the fifth on the trot.

 

IMHO I don't think 10,000 people would care today, but that aside what would be the point given that IIRC the aim was to provide an intensively contested showpiece involving our top stars and that didn't happen. IIRC they pulled it because the clubs and players were not interested.

 

If anything is an extension of the wars of the roses it's millenium magic which actually works, because it's league points at stake. If you want a test trial lets; go back to probables.v.possibles and I bet we can find 10 people on here to care and argue over the merits of that.

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I think the main issue with any rep fixture that has been placed mid season is that they've always been terribly promoted. I think the only time there was a decent effort was the original Exiles game, which I thought went well.

I don't understand what it is with the RFL and not learning when they get something right? The year after, they ditch the "they're coming" promos at SL games to build up the match, dilute the series by expanding to two too early again (like they did the Roses games) and put a game in Huddersfield (notorious for low support) and mid week. They've now given up and it's going to go the same way as the Roses.

Same happened to England vs France. Started off well with GB at Headingley. Held on a free weekend. Then they decided to have it on the same weekend as a regular round of SL, promoting the French to have a far weaker side due to Catalans players getting "injuries".

There is no long term plan. There is no strategy. Everything is reactive instead of proactive. I've yet to see anyone come out from the RFL and say "this is what we're going to do, this is the plan, and this is how long we intend to go with it before reviewing." People are always thinking that the fixture will be dropped, such is the RFL's track record, and that's why people struggle to make an emotional investment in it.

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Just to show bollards

Quite. Bollards. Just to be clear, our international team was a successful side and won a world cup while we had Roses fixtures but have struggled since therefore also proving they are essential to out international fortunes. If we must compare completely different eras in both the sport and how people spend their leisure time.

But at least we know Maximus Decimus finds it much easier to relate to 1906 than he can to Lancashire.

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I don't understand why they didn't just name Merseyside "West Lancashire", Gtr Manchester "East Lancashire" and what's now Lancashire as "North Lancashire"? Would have probably made a lot more sense!

 

They probably didn't do that because parts of Merseyside and Greater Manchester used to be in Cheshire.

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Ryan bailey tweeted this week tht he wntd the concept back. If players also want it thn surely the rfl shud look at it for after the world cup

Why, does he want to watch it like the rest of us!

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Quite. Bollards. Just to be clear, our international team was a successful side and won a world cup while we had Roses fixtures but have struggled since therefore also proving they are essential to out international fortunes. If we must compare completely different eras in both the sport and how people spend their leisure time.

But at least we know Maximus Decimus finds it much easier to relate to 1906 than he can to Lancashire.

 

That's one giant leap to a conclusion, you could also say when TV was only available in black and white the Aussies couldn't beat us, therefore we should start a campaign for black and white TV to return.

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Our international team was a successful side and won a world cup while we had Roses fixtures but have struggled since therefore also proving they are essential to out international fortunes.

 

Tongue in cheek wasn't it?

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Quite. Bollards. Just to be clear, our international team was a successful side and won a world cup while we had Roses fixtures but have struggled since therefore also proving they are essential to out international fortunes. If we must compare completely different eras in both the sport and how people spend their leisure time.

But at least we know Maximus Decimus finds it much easier to relate to 1906 than he can to Lancashire.

 

Your inability to have a discussion about this without getting personal is as good an acceptance as any that your arguments are weak.

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The real shame is that Rugby League's strength isn't Yorkshire and Essex. Then you could have a meaningful match involving people determined to tell you their county of origin before anything else.

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They probably didn't do that because parts of Merseyside and Greater Manchester used to be in Cheshire.

And parts of Cheshire used to be in Lancashire but it didn't stop them moving them there did it!

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