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But not half as much money that's been squandered in SL on fanciful teams, mergers, litagation and ###### players. Remind me how much Bradford owed, or Wakefield, or London, or the Crusaders...etc etc etc etc etc. A litany of failure rendering SL weak, unattractive and sponsor-less.

IMO the concentration of poor decision making in the last few years has brought about this review. Not the worrying problems that go with PR.

So in order to make comparisons then surely it is only fair to face up to the fact that RL has a history of club failures that just hasn't gone away. It neither gets worse or better regardless of the system.

well we don't know because it didn't happen

but you are right

 

with p and r waste,and  lack of progress was built into the system

 

what you are talking about is bad decision making, which undoubtedly happened-what angers me is that people dont get called to account.

By the way if it hadn't been for those mergers four clubs would have disappeared, we still have those four clubs.

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Can we talk about something else yet?

 

Seriously, I've almost locked this thread on numerous occasions because it is just going round and round in circles with the same people regurgitating the same arguments and no one appears to be in any mood to change their opinion on anything anyway.

 

What's the point?

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Can we talk about something else yet?

Seriously, I've almost locked this thread on numerous occasions because it is just going round and round in circles with the same people regurgitating the same arguments and no one appears to be in any mood to change their opinion on anything anyway.

What's the point?

The point is, my primary club is stuck in the second division with no meaningful games and no proper promotion.

Thats a pretty serious issue for me.

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The point is, my primary club is stuck in the second division with no meaningful games and no proper promotion.

Thats a pretty serious issue for me.

It isn't in the second division

It is in a good position to win the championship so its games are meaningful

The last time your club was promoted it was a disaster

Talk about self pity

The people I respect are the ones who support clubs who have never experienced elite level rugby either ever or not this side of the Second World War and still enjoy their rugby

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1. No it isn't it's primarily a sport run like a business. Businesses are run to make profits. Sports clubs are run to win trophies. Licencing does nothing to change this fact other than remove the access to opportunities to win trophies.

2. Correct but this is already happening without P&R. For eg the Burgess brothers moved to Aus well after P&R was scrapped. I think you need to blame the salary cap not P&R.

3. The commercial viability of Super League clubs has already been tested under licencing. It's clear too many aren't viable already.

The crux of your argument is that we ensure that money is ring fenced to prop up failures. There is no logic to that argument.

If a club isn't viable outside SL then in my book it's not a club.

That is a brilliant post

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It isn't in the second division

It is in a good position to win the championship so its games are meaningful

The last time your club was promoted it was a disaster

Talk about self pity

The people I respect are the ones who support clubs who have never experienced elite level rugby either ever or not this side of the Second World War and still enjoy their rugby

You need to get out more and speak to real fans.

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You need to get out more and speak to real fans.

Congratulations on being elected their representative

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You need to get out more and speak to real fans.

 

As opposed to the unreal fans?

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That is a brilliant post

The problem with all that is that it is criticising a 14 team Super League with a licensing system. Ideally I would want a 10 team Super League with licensing. As I said before for licensing to work their needs to be more viable clubs than spaces in the competition.

In terms of the Championship it can become a meaningful competition in its own right like the NSW Cup and Queensland Cup in Australia.

Also rugby league is a business. Sky don't dole out cash to the RFL out of the goodness of their own hearts. Super Lague needs to emulate the Amercian example where professional sports teams are expected to make money. If Super League was run along rational business lines like American professional sports the club would be able to attract rational financial investors rather than just benefactors. The club owners would then make money and the players would get paid more.

The hand to mouth existence that promotion and relegation would cause would leave rugby league in England bumping along the bottom.

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Lock it John for God's sake. Ironic that, when it suits, certain people laud the RFL for its innovative ideas and willingness to embrace change and in doing so proceed to castigate those who dare to rebel against. Oh so different now the boot's on the other foot. Hypocrites, the lot of them.

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