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Mickey Paea to Hull FC

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I for 1 hope not he hasn't been in the top 10 props in the league this yr why do hull fc always want hull KRs players, the only player is Dobson IMO. I'm convinced hull sign em just to get 1 over they rivals.

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I for 1 hope not he hasn't been in the top 10 props in the league this yr why do hull fc always want hull KRs players. I'm convinced hull sign em just to get 1 over they rivals.

 

If get one over means an attempt by FC to monopolise RL in Hull for their own gain, then I'd agree. There's more to be gained from being the dominant or only SL club in Hull, than having the Hull derby.  Yes that debate has run its course and yes it is not worth resurrecting, but Pearsons raids on HKR do fit that policy, and that's a policy that can only do FC good.

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I for 1 hope not he hasn't been in the top 10 props in the league this yr why do hull fc always want hull KRs players, the only player is Dobson IMO. I'm convinced hull sign em just to get 1 over they rivals.

Can't agree with this at all.

1. Other than last season, when have Hull signed any Rovers players?

2. How many if those players you consider "top 10 props" are available?

This isn't about getting one over Hull KR at all. It's about getting the best players that are available. O'Meley is retiring. We NEED a prop.

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The rivalry and 2 KC Derbys are worth plenty more to Hull Fc

 

Lets agree to disagree. Hull had big crowds without the derby games and got to finals when they had an extended run without HKR on the scene. That's my hard evidence.

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The crowds are bigger today and the club only had a brief spell when they challenged "the big four" - it was over before Hull KR joined SL. Hull KR are not the cause of Hull FC's (relative) decline, I can only think of one big name player that crossed over to KR and it retrospect they were well shot of him. As for "there are only so many Hull lads capable of playing SL", Who are the locally grown Hull KR players that would have made FC a better side?

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The crowds are bigger today and the club only had a brief spell when they challenged "the big four" - it was over before Hull KR joined SL. Hull KR are not the cause of Hull FC's (relative) decline, I can only think of one big name player that crossed over to KR and it retrospect they were well shot of him. As for "there are only so many Hull lads capable of playing SL", Who are the locally grown Hull KR players that would have made FC a better side?

I think you've answered your own question there.

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Paul Cooke?

 

Yeah, he'd probably never have played for FC but he seems to be a bit of an exception. I don't see Hull KR producing any new Paul Cookes at the moment.

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I for 1 hope not he hasn't been in the top 10 props in the league this yr why do hull fc always want hull KRs players, the only player is Dobson IMO. I'm convinced hull sign em just to get 1 over they rivals.

 

I've watched him all season. He is class.

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The crowds are bigger today and the club only had a brief spell when they challenged "the big four" - it was over before Hull KR joined SL. Hull KR are not the cause of Hull FC's (relative) decline, I can only think of one big name player that crossed over to KR and it retrospect they were well shot of him. As for "there are only so many Hull lads capable of playing SL", Who are the locally grown Hull KR players that would have made FC a better side?

Don't take the bait.

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Don't take the bait.

I'm not going to get banned for that post.

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I've watched him all season. He is class.

haha very funny at least we've found a dobbin with a sense of humour well done

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I for 1 hope not he hasn't been in the top 10 props in the league this yr why do hull fc always want hull KRs players, the only player is Dobson IMO. I'm convinced hull sign em just to get 1 over they rivals.

Two props have made over 2000m this season, one is Eorl Crabtree, guess who the other is?

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haha very funny at least we've found a dobbin with a sense of humour well done

HKR A D says it like it is.

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Hull FC have posted similar losses to HKR although the Rovers BOD do tend to whinge a little more, you cant tell me that having a local rivalry like we do is bad for either club, it can only be good financially

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Average player but he is KR's best prop so it's a loss to them. Hudgell is irritating me now - constantly deriding agents after every bitter player departure. They're just doing their job and basically it's a case of "the truth hurts". There IS massive uncertainty around HKR's future - there's no denying this - didn't Hudgell himself issue a statement only a few weeks ago saying that he still needed to secure some funds "to guarantee completion of this season" (!) It was something of that ilk anyway. Startling stuff that he managed to bury in a longer statement about investment for next season.

I'm really only a bystander now but I do still take an interest and will continue to campaign for a merged Hull side in a proper franchised Super League. Then we could keep all our better talent and pair Paterson with Ellis in a glorious back row with Dobbo kicking us around the park etc. As it stands, FC will just continue to pick off those Rovers players the likes of the established big sides and newly rich Salford don't want. If Dobson and Paterson aren't amongst the "big 4 names" Koukash is talking about, for example, I will be very, very surprised and who could blame them? Without a licence/franchise and some significant funding, HKR is a moderate SL interest at best, sadly.

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Agree with the last sentence DSK completely. Im sure Koukash has probably realised his starting point will be to cherry pick the financially weaker clubs.

Well the bit about Dobson and Paterson before you edited*

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Agree with the last sentence DSK completely. Im sure Koukash has probably realised his starting point will be to cherry pick the financially weaker clubs.

Well the bit about Dobson and Paterson before you edited*

Ha, sorry but I got your drift. :)

Yeah, Koukash should really have ushered in a benefactor-fronted, NRL-type franchise system with all clubs paying to a high cap but instead all it is is a slight shift at the top of the tree with Salford the new bully boy on the block. It's very sad really, we just never seem to learn.

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haha very funny at least we've found a dobbin with a sense of humour well done

 

You obviously have very limited knowledge of rugby league or are so bitter towards your local rivals that you fail to see the fact that this year he is easily one of the top 5 props in Super League and is getting better every game.

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You obviously have very limited knowledge of rugby league or are so bitter towards your local rivals that you fail to see the fact that this year he is easily one of the top 5 props in Super League and is getting better every game.

Agree, can't agree with their view on Paea at all.

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Agree, can't agree with their view on Paea at all.

 

If FC have offered him a much better deal than Rovers, then I have no problem with him going to FC. Its a short career and these guys need to make the most of it. Just as long as he is honest (unlike SM) and plays well till the end of the season, good luck to him after that.

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Hull FC have posted similar losses to HKR although the Rovers BOD do tend to whinge a little more, you cant tell me that having a local rivalry like we do is bad for either club, it can only be good financially

 

How??

 

Hull FC were the first Hull club to enter Superleague in 1998, and returned a “crowd” of 5741 that season. Rovers crowd was 2419. The people of Hull clearly prefer top class winning Rugby League.

 

Hull kicked on with the KC stadium assisting crowd growth, and with any top player home grown or imported to Hull, FC was the exclusive place to be. Things grew and eventually built to a 2005 challenge cup win and a 2006 old Trafford Grand Final appearance to show it was no fluke.

 

The fans responded the following year. Forgetting the HKR crowds the worst was 12,094 against Fartown and the best 16,291 against Wigan in the grand final play off semi. Forgetting the HKR crowds Hulls league campaign averaged 13,250 fans.

 

Hull’s fall from grace has seen their crowds drop and even WITH the HKR crowds added Hull returned an average crowd last year of 11,654. I see no evidence therefore that two clubs in Hull and the “derby” boosts the fortunes of these clubs. It is said on this thread that “both clubs” are making similar losses. Is it any wonder then that people like DSK are realising one Superleague club in Hull could probably start going places again.

 

I think it was when we went to the GB.v.NZ game at the KC that I saw “Neil Hudgell Law” plastered all over the stadium. That was a surprise and I wondered if one day Hudgell may end up on the board at the KC. Had he joined in 2006 instead of trying to recreate the former glories of the clubs 1980-1985 and put his millions in there, then one wonders what Superleague success the city of Hull would have gone on to enjoy today.

 

There are some basic business principles at play here. Keen competition is ok for the retail consumer, but cuts the shops profits. In sport a monopoly works much better for a club, as we see in Leeds, and I suspect Adam Pearson knows it and is following the principle. He himself said the club would overspend in the short term to go forward in the long term. I suspect Neil Hudgell knows Pearson has no taste for the “Derby” and therefore Hudgell isn’t wasting any more of his money resisting the bigger rivals. If you can’t beat ‘em Neil why not join em?.

 

The same principle of all succeeding together on historic local rivalries has not worked for the clubs in the Calder area either. (It didn't work for Hull post 1980-85 in the end as neither were strong enough to enter SL in 1996) Had Wakefield not been given a leg back up into SL after going bust we could have been heading for no Superleague club in the strongest area Rugby League has, as Castleford equally flounder.

 

Here's to one day a Superleague grand final between "A Hull club" and "A Wakefield club"

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Here's to one day a Superleague grand final between "A Hull club" and "A Wakefield club"

 

Here's to one day a thread staying on topic.

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