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RL Meltdown is far from people melting down most of the time so he shouldn't worry himself. It has taken a good concept from RAWK meltdown of Liverpool fans going way over the top and applied it to RL posts, some of which are borderline negative. Here's a recent comment,

 

"Glad it wasn't just me, I thought it (origin) was a fairly poor game as well." Yeh some meltdown that one...

 

Deadshotkeen's post hardly construes a meltdown. They recently retweeted a tweet saying that they'll never see the attraction in RL, which is a poor man's version of Union so it is in all probability the sort of Union troll that hates RL but still visits RL sites. I'm surprised so many RL fans have latched on to it tbh.

 

Anyway to the original post, we do need clear leadership but often this can itself lead to bad stubborn decisions. It's a bit like the PM on the apprentice who ignores the market research because they are so single minded, I worry that is happening a bit at the moment with the 3 leagues of 8 idea. They certainly seem to favour it from what I've heard.

 

I think the think that irks me the most and I suspect many others is the complete flip-flopping of policies and the lack of any coherent plan. Licensing is what it is and it has its many critics and it looks to be on the way out. However, rather than a subtle changing of the plan we look to be heading towards the total opposite solution, a version of P & R Max. Then after 4/5 years we'll probably decide to go back to the glory days of licensing.

 

I do agree that transparency is so important. If the then RFL had been up front and honest about their intentions regarding London and the Crusaders at least there could be no allegations of corruption. They'd still have been slated but at least they would have been honest and perhaps would have been respected for it. I completely understood the desire for Celtic to be admitted to SL but it certainly felt underhand when they tried to justify it as if they had been included above others in a genuinely fair process and as if their being an expansion club had little to do with it.  

To me RL meltdown shows the ridiculousness of some peoples train of thought,but hey,each to there own.

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Edit: I rarely criticise leaders themselves but I doubt I'm alone in lacking a great deal of confidence in Nigel Wood. Very little about him fills me with hope that he is the right man for this time. (Does this questioning of an RFL official constitute a melt down? Have I just melted down?)

 

I wouldn't say that was a meltdown, Deadshotkeen's opening line however, wow... talk about melodramatic!

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To me RL meltdown shows the ridiculousness of some peoples train of thought,but hey,each to there own.

 

Questioning whether the Origin was a good game constitutes a meltdown?

 

There are some genuine ones obviously but in between there are too many that are just part of ordinary discussions.

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Questioning whether the Origin was a good game constitutes a meltdown?

 

There are some genuine ones obviously but in between there are too many that are just part of ordinary discussions.

Calm down,calm down.

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By the way ,you've made it to RL Meltdown on twitter.Congratulations.

???? I don't even use Twitter, no idea what this means nor have any interest.

If you live in Manchester,why not watch salford or Swinton,both teams need all the support they can get.

What a facile point. Why don't you? They could certainly use you more than your own club, who fielding half a team of kids still embarrassingly beat a full strength Widnes by 10 points on Monday. How satisfying for you, I'm sure.

I have a team, Hull KR, who I would happily support in a structure whereby they could compete on a level playing field. SL with licensing was meant to be that league but the RFL have now determined that they'll just be a moderate side in a tiered format, with a glass ceiling (our chairman even agrees, you may have noticed). I'm a socialist and don't like hierarchy or the idea of engaging willingly in a tiered struggle (this is why I bailed on Hull City a few years ago). I have enough of that in my everyday life (earning a modest income, battling "the man" etc.) - why on Earth would I take that on in my own leisure time? Many will continue to do so and that's their choice. But Hull KR isn't my family - I'm not an absent parent or any kind of despicable absconder, just a fan with some disposable income, probably a better grasp of sporting mechanics than most and the ability to decide if I get value for my money following them. Their crowds will now inevitably fall off and they'll become a financial black hole. That struggle is for others, and almost certainly short-lived. I'd consider following them in a sealed off 2nd tier but my preferred option is supporting a merged Hull side in a franchised league, which, as I say, I will continue to campaign for.

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???? I don't even use Twitter, no idea what this means nor have any interest.What a facile point. Why don't you? They could certainly use you more than your own club, who fielding half a team of kids still embarrassingly beat a full strength Widnes by 10 points on Monday. How satisfying for you, I'm sure.

I have a team, Hull KR, who I would happily support in a structure whereby they could compete on a level playing field. SL with licensing was meant to be that league but the RFL have now determined that they'll just be a moderate side in a tiered format, with a glass ceiling (our chairman even agrees, you may have noticed). I'm a socialist and don't like hierarchy or the idea of engaging willingly in a tiered struggle (this is why I bailed on Hull City a few years ago). I have enough of that in my everyday life (earning a modest income, battling "the man" etc.) - why on Earth would I take that on in my own leisure time? Many will continue to do so and that's their choice. But Hull KR isn't my family - I'm not an absent parent or any despicable absconder, just a fan with some disposable income, probably a better grasp of sporting mechanics than most and the ability to decide if I get value for my money following them. Their crowds will now inevitably fall off and they'll become a financial black hole. That struggle is for others, and almost certainly short-lived. I'd consider following them in a sealed off 2nd tier but my preferred option is supporting a merged Hull side in a franchised league, which, as I say, I will continue to campaign for.

Here we go again,I live in Leeds,so watch Leeds.If i lived in manchester,I'd watch Salford or Swinton.Plus Widnes weren't at full strength.It's called sound development of youth structures.Maybe if other clubs(such as your beloved Rovers) actually developed a strong youth policy,they wouldn't have to import as many below par antipodeans,and maybe,just maybe,we would have a better product.

Keep up the good fight comrade.

So you've bailed on Hull City and now bailed on HKR.Which NRL team are you going to bail on.

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I'm a socialist and don't like hierarchy or the idea of engaging willingly in a tiered struggle (this is why I bailed on Hull City a few years ago).

A socialist that wants a league that excludes all clubs but for a select few? You may have a different definition of socialism to me.

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A socialist that wants a league that excludes all clubs but for a select few? You may have a different definition of socialism to me.

I thought the post you are referring to had a great deal of merit, but I struggled with that bit as well.

 

It isn't the government we are talking about here, but a leisure activity that we want to see grow and develop. Let's have a socialist government (or not if it isn't your bag), but bloody hell we're in business here.

But at the same time there are different notions of socialism and heirachies can be quite legitimately be accommodated within them

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Here we go again,I live in Leeds,so watch Leeds.If i lived in manchester,I'd watch Salford or Swinton.Plus Widnes weren't at full strength.It's called sound development of youth structures.Maybe if other clubs(such as your beloved Rovers) actually developed a strong youth policy,they wouldn't have to import as many below par antipodeans,and maybe,just maybe,we would have a better product.

Keep up the good fight comrade.

So you've bailed on Hull City and now bailed on HKR.Which NRL team are you going to bail on.

There's only so good your youth development structure can be with 8K (at a push) fans. It's a vicious circle a club like HKR faces. If you want to believe that Leeds' success is a result of graft and acumen, fine. I think most people know better. It would be difficult to fail to produce good young players at a club like Leeds in a tiered structure where they boss the local bragging rights.

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There's only so good your youth development structure can be with 8K (at a push) fans. It's a vicious circle a club like HKR faces. If you want to believe that Leeds' success is a result of graft and acumen, fine. I think most people know better. It would be difficult to fail to produce good young players at a club like Leeds in a tiered structure where they boss the local bragging rights.

Wakefield and Cas have a good youth structure and i believe they have similar gates to HKR.

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A socialist that wants a league that excludes all clubs but for a select few? You may have a different definition of socialism to me.

Socialism applied to sport is a slightly different beast to real life socialism but there are similarities. It's a more commercial socialism where you accept that a line has to be drawn with regard to who does and doesn't participate, however those that do compete do so on an equal footing.

Your beloved P&R system that ruthlessly creates haves and have nots, where the elite few get fat and cream off the smaller sides' talent, whilst we pass collection buckets around the smaller teams' terraces every few years and expect their fans to be grateful just to be there - this is more fundamentally blue collar, socialist and fair is it? It's nothing less than a pro sport caste system. You are very welcome to it.

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As I saw it, Lewis came in at a point when the sport was on a real low, and the RFL was leaking money after the 2000 RWC. He was (for the few years of his tenure at least) made Executive Chairmen, i.e. combining the two top roles, which gave him a lot more power and hence the ability to force things through. He got the sport back on a even keel, but since then we have returned to the structure in place before him, in which the clubs hold most of the power, and the RFL board exists at their sufferance. It’s not Wood, or Barwick, or anybody else at the RFL who is the problem, it is the balance of power and the inability to cover the whole sport in one.

Basically what we need is a benevolent dictator.

 

As I saw it, Lewis came in at a point when the sport was on a real low, and the RFL was leaking money after the 2000 RWC. He was (for the few years of his tenure at least) made Executive Chairmen, i.e. combining the two top roles, which gave him a lot more power and hence the ability to force things through. He got the sport back on a even keel, but since then we have returned to the structure in place before him, in which the clubs hold most of the power, and the RFL board exists at their sufferance. It’s not Wood, or Barwick, or anybody else at the RFL who is the problem, it is the balance of power and the inability to cover the whole sport in one.

Basically what we need is a benevolent dictator.

No, we need a benevolent dictator who knows what he is doing.

 

If we gave Woods supreme power, do you think it would be used wisely?

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Wakefield and Cas have a good youth structure and i believe they have similar gates to HKR.

Define "good youth structure". I don't see Wakefield and Cas bothering any imminent Grand Finals somehow. I see a profoundly average team of SL cast-offs and one with a crumbling disaster zone of a stadium respectively. Both financial black holes.

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Socialism applied to sport is a slightly different beast to real life socialism but there are similarities. It's a more commercial socialism where you accept that a line has to be drawn with regard to who does and doesn't participate, however those that do compete on an equal footing.

Your beloved P&R system that ruthlessly creates haves and have nots, where the elite few get fat and cream off the smaller sides' talent, whilst we pass collection buckets around the smaller teams' terraces every few years and expect their fans to be grateful just to be there - this is more fundamentally blue collar, socialist and fair is it? It's nothing less than a pro sport caste system. You are very welcome to it.

You seem to have this belief that the "big" clubs raid the "small" clubs continuously.I believe this all started when Wigan ran up a cricket score against HKR over easter this year.However you want it,there will always be "big" clubs and always be "small" clubs.Could the fact that some clubs go under be down to poor management rather than the lack of a utopia you crave so much.

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Define "good youth structure". I don't see Wakefield and Cas bothering any imminent Grand Finals somehow. I see a profoundly average team of SL cast-offs and one with a crumbling disaster zone of a stadium respectively. Both financial black holes.

Given that Wakefield won the Academy GF a few seasons ago and some of those players are now in the 1st team is proof enough,the same can be said of the rich crop of young players in the Cas side.Success isn't achieved overnight.Again,both clubs have been poorly managed,or is that the fault of "big" clubs again.

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You seem to have this belief that the "big" clubs raid the "small" clubs continuously.I believe this all started when Wigan ran up a cricket score against HKR over easter this year.However you want it,there will always be "big" clubs and always be "small" clubs.Could the fact that some clubs go under be down to poor management rather than the lack of a utopia you crave so much.

If that's what you want to believe, fine. My opinion is that I could lead Leeds Rhinos to modest success at the very least, whereas the world's greatest rugby league owner/coach combo couldn't lead Hull KR or Castleford to genuine success. Those clubs have to run to stand still.

We'll have to agree to disagree.

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Given that Wakefield won the Academy GF a few seasons ago and some of those players are now in the 1st team is proof enough.

I think that's proof only that it takes much more than a good youth system to achieve success. HKR have had very fine junior sides recently but after only 1 season in the first team, Scott Taylor knew that Wigan was a better bet.

Hoist by your own petard lad.

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I think that's proof only that it takes much more than a good youth system to achieve success. HKR have had very fine junior sides recently but after only 1 season in the first team, Scott Taylor knew that Wigan was a better bet.

Hoist by your own petard lad.

Really.Wakefield are now a well run and managed club,as i have said success isn't achieved overnight.Do you know for certain why Taylor left for Wigan.And yet you only use part of my post. to try and prove you are right.

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Really.Wakefield are now a well run and managed club,as i have said success isn't achieved overnight.Do you know for certain why Taylor left for Wigan.And yet you only use part of my post. to try and prove you are right.

"Well run and managed" maybe but what does this even mean? They're no danger to your side are they? And never can be. Size matters in the modern era and they're just not big enough.

In what way have HKR not been "well run and managed"? Hudgell has spent a small fortune and Justin Morgan over-achieved in the extreme over many seasons. Sandercock has inherited a team that's about 10th best in the league on paper and has achieved roughly those results. Better just now, in fact. He's doing a good job but it's a thankless task. My hunch is that he'll be a big success when he returns to Aus and doesn't have to swim against the tide.

Taylor like the Wakey lads saw his local team as a stepping stone to a bigger side. It's that simple. And who can blame him? The system is at fault, not any of these lads. Good luck to 'em. But the league can surely only wither and die without pedigree players across all clubs. Or do you think it's in a good place right now?

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It's been better,it's been worse,given the current world economic climate,do you really think RL should be thriving.The socialist RL utopia you crave would still have winners and losers and it would in all probability be the same clubs.

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Koukash is th man to take RL forward, people like Hetherington have had their chance and not been effective.

The game isn't going to go anywhere when people with the most control want to pay players even less but play more games.

A complete restructure needs putting in place which includes more support for London and franchising terms of 5 years.

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Koukash is th man to take RL forward, people like Hetherington have had their chance and not been effective.

The game isn't going to go anywhere when people with the most control want to pay players even less but play more games.

A complete restructure needs putting in place which includes more support for London and franchising terms of 5 years.

I don't think Koukash is the man but agree with the rest.

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Or are you happy complaining about the state of the game from your armchair.Clubs need money to improve facilities,set up youth structures  etc,etc,they can't do it unless they have people coming through the turnstiles.

Isn't it DSK and hundreds of thousands of other armchair fans who provide the TV audience from which SKY pay the game £90,000,000.

Isn't it the professionalising of the game through that money that gets more fans going to top games?

Isn't it the professionalising of the game that leads to rich men wanting to be a part of it.

Surely TV and it's armchair fans like DSK saved the game and now own it?

Any strong leader will put the TV audience as their priority?

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Isn't it DSK and hundreds of thousands of other armchair fans who provide the TV audience from which SKY pay the game £90,000,000.

Isn't it the professionalising of the game through that money that gets more fans going to top games?

Isn't it the professionalising of the game that leads to rich men wanting to be a part of it.

Surely TV and it's armchair fans like DSK saved the game and now own it?

Any strong leader will put the TV audience as their priority?

DIdn't DSK announce he was ditching SL when his club were beaten by Wigan and state he would have nothing more to do with SL and switch his allegiance to the NRL.

The game has been professional for a good few years now and I don't see many rich men wanting to be part of it.

As i have said do you really think a minority sport like RL(which like it or not,that's what it is) will really be thriving given the current economic climate.

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1. DIdn't DSK announce he was ditching SL?

2. The game has been professional for a good few years now and I don't see many rich men wanting to be part of it.

 

3. Do you really think a minority sport like RL(which like it or not,that's what it is) will really be thriving given the current economic climate.

 

1. Best ask the lad himself.

 

2. Mr. Caddick, Mr. Hughes, Mr. Lenegan, Mr. Koukash, Mr. Davey, Mr. Moran, Mr. O'Connor, Mr. McManus.

 

We just need a few more.

 

3. Thriving no, surviving nicely at full time pro level is what the leadership needs to achieve first and foremost.

 

It's achievable as the growth is there in Superleague.

 

Across all the Championship clubs the decline is alarming - over 50% wiped off clubs crowds in the SL era, and I cannot see the strongest of leaders arresting that......

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