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I played as A N Other and S O Else many times and never had any interest in turning pro.

 

" Why did permits stop"[/quot

Precisely, bring the old system back and players won, t need to sign pay as you play. Someone will no doubt cite insurance purposes or health and safety, which are just red herrings.

The player pool will automatically increase

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I don't think you've grasped why 2nd & U18's games are being postponed and why some well established NCL teams are travelling short staffed. (It's not because the professionals have signed every player who can pass a ball)

 

Permits where stopped because the RFL over ruled a disciplinary decision against a professional who had been playing on a permit.  

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I don't think you've grasped why 2nd & U18's games are being postponed and why some well established NCL teams are travelling short staffed. (It's not because the professionals have signed every player who can pass a ball)

 

Permits where stopped because the RFL over ruled a disciplinary decision against a professional who had been playing on a permit.

Pro under 19, s squads must have around 10 players not playing every week, how can that not have an effect on under 18, teams

Championship clubs leave out quite a few also, that will also have an effect. These players are not world beaters, they are than likely to be playing amateur soon anyway. Is bringing that forward really going to cause that much harm.

How can a system in australia that allows free movement between all levels work so successfully.

It seems you are just going to keep putting every obstacle in the way unless eveyone agrees that moving to winter is the utopia that will solve all the games problems.

Well I have news there a hell of a lot of players that would not want to move back. So its catch 22

Ps without trawling through all the posts did answer your own question of why did permits stop

And lastly I am going to have to agree with previous poster that this thread is going nowhere as some just select which parts of a post to answer and ignore the bits they can, t. Therefore itvjust goes round in circles

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And lastly I am going to have to agree with previous poster that this thread is going nowhere as some just select which parts of a post to answer and ignore the bits they can, t. Therefore itvjust goes round in circles

 

Indeed they do..............

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Pro under 19, s squads must have around 10 players not playing every week, how can that not have an effect on under 18, teams

Championship clubs leave out quite a few also, that will also have an effect. These players are not world beaters, they are than likely to be playing amateur soon anyway. Is bringing that forward really going to cause that much harm.

How can a system in australia that allows free movement between all levels work so successfully.

It seems you are just going to keep putting every obstacle in the way unless eveyone agrees that moving to winter is the utopia that will solve all the games problems.

Well I have news there a hell of a lot of players that would not want to move back. So its catch 22

Ps without trawling through all the posts did answer your own question of why did permits stop

And lastly I am going to have to agree with previous poster that this thread is going nowhere as some just select which parts of a post to answer and ignore the bits they can, t. Therefore itvjust goes round in circles

 

Pro under 19, s squads must have around 10 players not playing every week, how can that not have an effect on under 18, teams

Championship clubs leave out quite a few also, that will also have an effect. These players are not world beaters, they are than likely to be playing amateur soon anyway. Is bringing that forward really going to cause that much harm.

How can a system in australia that allows free movement between all levels work so successfully.

It seems you are just going to keep putting every obstacle in the way unless eveyone agrees that moving to winter is the utopia that will solve all the games problems.

Well I have news there a hell of a lot of players that would not want to move back. So its catch 22

Ps without trawling through all the posts did answer your own question of why did permits stop

And lastly I am going to have to agree with previous poster that this thread is going nowhere as some just select which parts of a post to answer and ignore the bits they can, t. Therefore itvjust goes round in circles

Well the biggest problem with the amateur game is the dwindling player pool since the switch to summer - I did answer my own question on  permit players simply because you wouldn't have known the answer, guess what, I was the only club secretary at the CMS Yorkshire meeting to vote to keep permit players when we had a democratic vote.

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Indeed they do..............

Indeed they do..............

Not aware of anything ihave ignored but I, m sure you will point it out

However I commented on australian system, massive surplus of unused pay as you play players

And will these players playing for amateur clubs relly cause that much harm

All ignored in the name of sarcasm

Also I am sure that ryan fieldhouse managed to double up for halifax and leigh east for a short while. I can, t remember if there was a fuss or not. The only difference in that case and the unused players I am talking about was a piece of paper. Yet he was and is a far better player.

Lastly agree with del capo on his posts at 368 and 373, so lets move on and start afresh

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Del Capo has been once more conspicuous by his absence.........particularly in relation to the Dual Reg issue/debate.

 

That said the next 3 - 4 weeks will unfold very interestingly for all concerned and I think I would be correct in saying that many of the contributors on here who are of the opinion......."Whats all the fuss about" or "It does'nt matter"........will indeed realise that it does matter.

 

Del Capo's opinion of circumstances will be extremely interesting to read at that point!

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Question : If given the opportunity and clubs vote against DR where would that leave the NCL ?

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Question : If given the opportunity and clubs vote against DR where would that leave the NCL ?

NCL committee, Egg on there face and wanting a Taxi home I should imagine, lol

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I,m very competitive and can go up Belle Green Lane after Dark without a police escort .

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Question : If given the opportunity and clubs vote against DR where would that leave the NCL ?

cheque book of long time promise will come out and go back in again very quickly.

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Question : If given the opportunity and clubs vote against DR where would that leave the NCL ?

 

In my opinion it's highly unlikely that a simple vote for or against will ever happen. But if it did it would certainly leave Messrs Hunt and Moran very crimson faced and definitely on the naughty step at the RFL Controlommunity Board.

 

In reality however, with the dual registration deal just waiting for the ink to dry - RFL Community Board Minutes 17th April 2013;

 

9.3 Community Dual Registration. Further to the acceptance of the paper circulated by Chris Thair, the board accepted the recommendations contained therein and the approval of a formal consultation taking place. The results of this consultation would be issued to the Community Board Regulatory Group, with final policy to be agreed by the Board in Octobers

 

The saving grace for the two gentlemen is that RFL will more than likely write up a recommendation dressed up as a benefits package - a la March 2011 - for their two marionettes to force through.

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Question : If given the opportunity and clubs vote against DR where would that leave the NCL ?

I don't understand why you ask "where would that leave the NCL?". It would clearly leave the NCL without dual registration. It will go to the vote: if the clubs don't want it, it won't happen.

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I don't understand why you ask "where would that leave the NCL?". It would clearly leave the NCL without dual registration. It will go to the vote: if the clubs don't want it, it won't happen.

 

The NCL won't return to a traditional season because as you so rightly know it has now been grabbed as the next level to support the ailing professional game. The teams however may do.

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The NCL won't return to a traditional season because as you so rightly know it has now been grabbed as the next level to support the ailing professional game. The teams however may do.

But haven't the next level up also grabbed the control of the decision making mechanism of the amateur game with the very INDEPENDENT Community Board  of puppets who will not allow a amateur league in direct competition to set up a structure in the traditional season (How strange that it allowed the opposite to happen when we where all happy playing with 17 men on a team sheet in sub-zero and wet conditions with one man and his dog watching)

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But haven't the next level up also grabbed the control of the decision making mechanism of the amateur game with the very INDEPENDENT Community Board  of puppets who will not allow a amateur league in direct competition to set up a structure in the traditional season (How strange that it allowed the opposite to happen when we where all happy playing with 17 men on a team sheet in sub-zero and wet conditions with one man and his dog watching)

Not up to speed on all the politics of the community board, but it seams that a lot of obstacles have been put in the way if teams want to go back to winter

is there anything stoping a new league being formed without the community board being involved?

the NCL started with just 10 teams so for instance if teams who no longer want to play in summer but want to play at the same standard, couldn't they just start a fresh league? What obstacles are difficulties would prevent this from happening?

I'm sure administrating it would be an issue, and it couldn't happen over night but if a structure was put in place, say a short playing season jan 2015 to say may and then start the traditional season 2015, then like people keep saying, if you don't like summer, go and find a winter team, then teams and players could actually do it.

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Not up to speed on all the politics of the community board, but it seams that a lot of obstacles have been put in the way if teams want to go back to winter

is there anything stoping a new league being formed without the community board being involved?

the NCL started with just 10 teams so for instance if teams who no longer want to play in summer but want to play at the same standard, couldn't they just start a fresh league? What obstacles are difficulties would prevent this from happening?

I'm sure administrating it would be an issue, and it couldn't happen over night but if a structure was put in place, say a short playing season jan 2015 to say may and then start the traditional season 2015, then like people keep saying, if you don't like summer, go and find a winter team, then teams and players could actually do it.

 

BARLA attempted to set up a Winter Conference but I don't think there was enough interest/uptake.   There's definately not enough time to set up an alternative for this Winter and get it right, however if they'd plan a competition for to start say 2014/15 I'm sure that's enough time to get a proper proposal in place and the structure/administration right for those clubs who feel Winter is best for them

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BARLA attempted to set up a Winter Conference but I don't think there was enough interest/uptake.   There's definately not enough time to set up an alternative for this Winter and get it right, however if they'd plan a competition for to start say 2014/15 I'm sure that's enough time to get a proper proposal in place and the structure/administration right for those clubs who feel Winter is best for them

It was all a bit rushed last time and and no wanted to jump overboard, personally I think it should be left until 2015 so clubs could finish the third season of summer and if no vote takes place because of all the obstacles that will be put in the way, at least by then a clear structure would be in place giving clubs the choice.

You wouldn't want to make the same mistake that were made when the switch to summer took place by rushing it,

I though barla were unable to stare a new league due to rules on the community board?

But can anybody tel me is there anything wrong with a new winter bases NCL being formed by the clubs who don't want to compete in summer?

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BARLA attempted to set up a Winter Conference but I don't think there was enough interest/uptake.   There's definately not enough time to set up an alternative for this Winter and get it right, however if they'd plan a competition for to start say 2014/15 I'm sure that's enough time to get a proper proposal in place and the structure/administration right for those clubs who feel Winter is best for them

I believe there was enough interest but politics got in the way at the time and since then there has been approximately 18 months of summer rugby that has seen dwindling numbers on match days but greater numbers being reported at training.

 

The way back is simple and it would also be simple to integrate any NCL clubs with any ambitious BARLA winter clubs.

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I believe there was enough interest but politics got in the way at the time and since then there has been approximately 18 months of summer rugby that has seen dwindling numbers on match days but greater numbers being reported at training.

 

The way back is simple and it would also be simple to integrate any NCL clubs with any ambitious BARLA winter clubs.

If there was enough intrest they would have formed the league.you have your views which are find but you seem to find it very hard to accept that it seems most of the NCL are happy with the summer format, Barla have a perfectly good winter league in the Pennine .

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If there was enough intrest they would have formed the league.you have your views which are find but you seem to find it very hard to accept that it seems most of the NCL are happy with the summer format, Barla have a perfectly good winter league in the Pennine .

You obviously don't know all the politics, even the name of a new league is not as simple as it may seem simply because the Community board can veto it and would Lancashire teams want to play in a league called the CMS Yorkshire league which I believe could be a name that didn't have to go in front of the Community Board.

 

I'd personally would use my imagination and called the new league The National Conference Men's League but I'm sure the Community Board/RFL wouldn't allow it.

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You obviously don't know all the politics, even the name of a new league is not as simple as it may seem simply because the Community board can veto it and would Lancashire teams want to play in a league called the CMS Yorkshire league which I believe could be a name that didn't have to go in front of the Community Board.

 

I'd personally would use my imagination and called the new league The National Conference Men's League but I'm sure the Community Board/RFL wouldn't allow it.

Could the community board stop a bunch of teams starting there own leage if there was enough interest?

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Could the community board stop a bunch of teams starting there own leage if there was enough interest?

Yes, the community board control what happens in the amateur game and if you check on who make up the community board you will see most have been selected by the RFL including the two so called independent members, in other words whoever sits down to represent BARLA would feel more comfortable with a pack of laughing Hyenas.

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Yes, the community board control what happens in the amateur game and if you check on who make up the community board you will see most have been selected by the RFL including the two so called independent members, in other words whoever sits down to represent BARLA would feel more comfortable with a pack of laughing Hyenas.

 

Marauder................the Community Board can only dictate to any of its members, if your not a member..........then it can't say, impose or dictate anything!

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The NCL won't return to a traditional season because as you so rightly know it has now been grabbed as the next level to support the ailing professional game. The teams however may do.

 

Nev, If you were in charge at BARLA, would you set up another BARLA National league in the winter, with the discontent from the glorious summer teams?

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