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When George Riley joined BBC Radio Five Live and spoke up so strongly for our game on national radio, I thought that at last here was someone who would  counterbalance the relentless, insidious and almost subliminal union messaging from the likes of Rachel Burden and others too many to mention.

 

However, it seems to me that he's gone a bit quiet in this respect of late. Maybe my listening patterns have changed and he does he still speak up for our game... or maybe he has been has he  been re-educated by the  BBC revisionists. I trust I am wrong.

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When George Riley joined BBC Radio Five Live and spoke up so strongly for our game on national radio, I thought that at last here was someone who would  counterbalance the relentless, insidious and almost subliminal union messaging from the likes of Rachel Burden and others too many to mention.

 

However, it seems to me that he's gone a bit quiet in this respect of late. Maybe my listening patterns have changed and he does he still speak up for our game... or maybe he has been has he  been re-educated by the  BBC revisionists. I trust I am wrong.

I thought the same thing yesterday when he gave a sports bulletin, but made no mention of the 2 Super League games that were taking place last night. Before he would have done.

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He does mention the RU lions on Twitter.I also told him about our feelings about Richard Bacon

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Going back over the last couple of days on twitter he's mentioned tennis, rugby league, basketball, soccer and rugby union. And he's hardly turned into a blinkered flag waver for union or a belittler of league.

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Sports presenter on R4's Today prog declared that "Rugby fans" would be feeling excited this morning. My first though was: well, I suppose I am looking forward to Catalans v. KR...

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he is on twitter, ask him! :-)

 

 

I used to communicate, but he's not keen on feedback.

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I heard him mentioning that everyone would be talking about The State of Origin in Australia and not the Lions tour a week or so back. Five Live simply can't become the RL sports bulletin FFS. I think we get a decent crack on there and TBH more presenters than him are now saying Rugby Union when introducing an item instead of 'Rugby'.

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I got the impression he got a bit of a mard on when RL fans gave him stick for his 'OMG RL CLUBS ARE ALL SKINT' TV 'exposé' on the eve of the season.

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I got the impression he got a bit of a mard on when RL fans gave him stick for his 'OMG RL CLUBS ARE ALL SKINT' TV 'exposé' on the eve of the season.

 

He did. Got very defensive on twitter about it.

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I heard him mentioning that everyone would be talking about The State of Origin in Australia and not the Lions tour a week or so back. Five Live simply can't become the RL sports bulletin FFS. I think we get a decent crack on there and TBH more presenters than him are now saying Rugby Union when introducing an item instead of 'Rugby'.

 Five Live simply can't become the RL sports bulletin FFS  (ffs? that's a tad severe.)......agreed, since it is already the official news channel of the RFU thanks to Campbell and Burden, which is part of the reason for my raising the issue. 

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He did. Got very defensive on twitter about it.

 

 he tends to. He's a real BBC type ..we are the BBC and we are never wrong. I know he is a big fan, and initially, he wore this on his sleeve, Rachel|Burden-style. Just wondered if this had worn off, that's all. Just asking, not starting WW4.

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 Five Live simply can't become the RL sports bulletin FFS  (ffs? that's a tad severe.)......agreed, since it is already the official news channel of the RFU thanks to Campbell and Burden, which is part of the reason for my raising the issue. 

 

Apologies John (didn't mean to offend) but this subject touches a nerve with me a little. The BBC have got no radio or TV coverage of the Lions tour but you would think the had exclusive coverage with all the programmes, chat, b*lls**t they are peddling. On 5 Live yesterday the slimy sports reporter Will Perry said he had never looked forward to an occasion more that the Lions Test "and that includes the Olympics, The World Cup Final, The Champions League final etc..... blah, blah" . IMO George does his best to chip in while he can and I do believe RL gets decent coverage. But my FFS should be reserved for the constant swooning over anything RU - whether they have got the rights to show it or not!!

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Maybe if RL had a major international game/series just getting into its stride that the media could enthuse about then they might, just might, do that.

As it is weve got Catalans Hull KR against the British Lions in Australia, eve of Wimbledon, Royal Ascot etc

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Scubby, understood and agree. T-dub,too, and yes, we'd have to be transmitting very loud music to be heard above the relentless boom-box of Wimbledon, Ascot and krikit, so it's maybe right to wait till all that has died down and the 30,000 wbankers spending their bonuses on the lions tour have sobered up and all the BBC freeloaders have returned.

 

Just that lovable old George seems to have gone off the boil.

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Just to add, I've not noticed his SL preview on videos on the superleague tv format recently. Well, I didn't think about it til now nor did I look out for them but they came to me and don't seem to have done for a wee while.

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The issue is not as Duff duff asserts, though what he says otherwise may be right.. THE issue is that in my perception, George Riley no longer refers to our game on air in the way he used to, whilst the programme anchor, Rachel Burden has if anything increased the frequency,duration and intensity of her references to her preferred game of union.

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It is just one radio programme so people shouldn't get so paranoid. What was Rachel Burden talking about? How Sale just avoided relegation or how Sale have been going in matches against Worcester and London Irish? I very much doubt it. She would be referring to the England national team and the British Lions. Like it or not the general public are interested in the fate of the English Union team and the British Lions Union team. It is relevant to the general public and the wider radio audience.

Unfortunately for rugby league people are not that interested in Wigan v St Helens or Bradford v Leeds. It has no resonance with the wider public like international sport. If George Riley kept banging on about domestic rugby league matches that most people in England don't care about his producers are likely to tell him to shut up. However if Great Britian were playing Australia in a Test Series that they had a chance of winning Riley would be given licence to talk about League to his heart's content. The wider public would be interested.

Rugby league needs put on events that attract the interest of the wider public. Someone like Riley has to reflect the interests of the public and not just bang on about his own personal interests.

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True, its just one radio station and the Breakfast programme only has an average daily audience of 5 million. Rachel Burden has only been on R5Live for ten years and Breakfast anchor for two years.   For you to ask what she was talking about every one of these days, is talking about and will continue to talk about you only have to follow here on Twitter, which reflects on her ten year crusade to promote her code, not Sale, not the Lions, but everything all the time.

 

An excellent presenter, she nevertheless takes every opportunity to promote her favourite code, something that Riley used to do but does not seem to do any more.

 

That's it, nothing more, nothing less, no paranoia, just a question.

 

Anyway, for your info, some comments from http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/5live/2011/02/rachel-burden-is-new-presenter.shtml

 

Rachel is an excellent choice, feisty enough to hold her own with Nicky and with added bonus of someone who likes and knows something about Rugby to balance the football groupies.

Oh dear, weekends were bad enough. Going to have to move away from 5 live in the weekday mornings. Really don't like Rachel, she is too noisy, bossy and full of rugby. Will really miss Shelagh.

Sadly, Rachel Burden almost exclusively goes on about rugby ad nauseum at the expense of anything else.

thinks she's a rugger afficionado,

 

 

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Just to be clear, it is a disgrace that a rugby fan goes on air and constantly talks about her love of rugby, and it is a disgrace that a rugby fan goes on air and does not constantly talk about his love of rugby?

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Yes. 

 

All or nothing. That would work. 

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Seriously Burden is one person. She is not some sort of fifth columnist sent out by the RFU to corrupt the masses. She gets to talk about her love of Rugby Union because Rugby Union puts on events that are relevant to the general public and that the general public are interested in. Regular Test matches against New Zealand, South Africa and Australia, the British Lions and the Six Nations. Like it or not Union puts on a good show.

What does poor old George Riley have to work with? Wigan playing St Helens four times a year? Or maybe an England game against the Exiles. Unfortunately that doesn't have the same immediate buy from the sporting public that international sport does. How many times in the last two years have the England rugby league team played first rate opposition in the shape of Australia or New Zealand? Then compare it to the number of first rate Tests that the Union team has played and there in lies the fundamental problem. A lack of high class internationals that the general public would be interested in. If the public aren't interested then Riley can't really talk about rugby league without his producers telling him to wind his neck in. It would be the same if he was interested in stamp collecting, snooker or darts!

The most accurate analogy I can think of is that many of the 5 Live Sport journalists are mad keen on American sports like American Football or Baseball but they don't spend all the time talking about them because it isn't relevant to their listeners.

The RFL desperately needs to make Rugby League relevant to the general sporting public again. Having regular 3 match series against the Australians and New Zealanders would be a massive start. It is not rocket science!

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