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Yesterday was a great day for French Rugby League, Toulouse must be in Super LEague 2015

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1. Why would they not? Attendances for the last time they were in the english second tier tells us whether this would be a success or not.

 

2. French league fans will not part with their money to watch this level of football no matter what you call it, the championship is SL2.

 

3. I also wouldn't expect sponsors or the local marie to invest in a team at this level as the last foray indicates.

 

4. Sports fans in Toulouse want to watch the top level of our sport and any other introduction would back fire.

 

Thank you for your reply.

 

1. The big difference is in the CC campaign Toulouse fielded a weak semi pro side, whereas in SL2 they will be expected to go fully professional.

 

2. You do the "fan" a dis-service. Widnes fans smelt Superleague in 2011 because Mr O'Connor was a millionaire professionalising the club and they returned 4,000 crowds despite being mid table. Fans can smell success and have a history of riding bandwagons.

 

3. In the last foray Toulouse were given no assurances of Superleague at all. This time Messrs Lenegan, McManus, Moran and Hetherington (will accept corrections as regards the exact names) visited the club recently and gave them the green light. This won't be lost on smart investors because it was intended for smart investors

 

4. What would backfire is if Toulouse were put in SL1 and proceeded to lose most of their games.

 

What would be the better option is to put Toulouse in SL2 (with their millions) and pit them against semi pro clubs and ex-pro clubs booted out of SL and SL clubs who got dropped to the middle 8 league.

 

Fans just love their clubs spending money and winning games and the plan for Toulouse in SL2 to start with makes great sense.

 

Again don't underestimate the power of the fan to understand what's going on and to smell a club "on the up"...

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Thank you for your reply.

 

1. The big difference is in the CC campaign Toulouse fielded a weak semi pro side, whereas in SL2 they will be expected to go fully professional.

 

SL2 = CC under another name

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Not read all posts but anyone not wanting Toulouse into the SL structure is daft

Two tens to let them build because a season of thrashings could have a negative, allow them unlimited cap self funded in sl2, win promotion and watch them fly

Objective must be 4 French clubs within 10 years

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Not read all posts but anyone not wanting Toulouse into the SL structure is daft

Two tens to let them build because a season of thrashings could have a negative, allow them unlimited cap self funded in sl2, win promotion and watch them fly

Objective must be 4 French clubs within 10 years

That's fine if it is intended to expand the size of SL. however if the intention is to reduce the size of the English section of SL to to 10 or 8 teams, this will be a disaster for the game in England and reduce our spectator base and TV viewing numbers and marginalise to even fewer areas than the current set up.

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Cats, Toulouse , Wigan, wire, saints, Leeds, Hull, Huddersfield, Bradford and one other would make a great elite in say three years

With ten from Salford, HKR, Widnes, Cas, wakey, Fev, fax, Leigh, London, Sheffield, and one other making up the next full time level

That's increasing the number of English teams whilst putting some life into the comp

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Cats, Toulouse , Wigan, wire, saints, Leeds, Hull, Huddersfield, Bradford and one other would make a great elite in say three years

With ten from Salford, HKR, Widnes, Cas, wakey, Fev, fax, Leigh, London, Sheffield, and one other making up the next full time level

That's increasing the number of English teams whilst putting some life into the comp

 

Just done a fag packet calculation (it was a big fag packet though).

 

The 2x10 fully professional set up sounds great but the costings show that for them all to get to say a £4,000,000 turnover minimum we would need about another £15,000,000 to £17,000,000 annual subsidy.

 

Will SKY double their money? Without SKY there's no full time at all.

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Not read all posts but anyone not wanting Toulouse into the SL structure is daft

Two tens to let them build because a season of thrashings could have a negative, allow them unlimited cap self funded in sl2, win promotion and watch them fly

Objective must be 4 French clubs within 10 years

I'm warming to this more everyday!

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I constantly ask on threads where Toulouses players are going to come from and I never get an answer.

If you could draw up a team which Toulouse could realistically field containing majority of French players which are good enough for the 14 club competition then I'd like to see it.

 

Can't see a problem, it's pretty obvious where the players will come from though a lot will upon the new coach of course

 

1) Existing TO13 players - in the current line up I reckon 6 would have a chance plus a handful of promising Academy lads

2) Foreign imports say about 8 like at Catalans this season

3) Catalans overspill - many present french Catalans will be around the 30 -30+ age so players like Elima,Bosc, Simon, Fakir, & Mounis  etc

4) Catalans of any age who never seem to be in favour like Barthau, Baille & Vaccari etc

 

Not world beaters by any means but could be as good as good as some of the present  SL squads in my opinion

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Can't see a problem, it's pretty obvious where the players will come from though a lot will upon the new coach of course

1) Existing TO13 players - in the current line up I reckon 6 would have a chance plus a handful of promising Academy lads

2) Foreign imports say about 8 like at Catalans this season

3) Catalans overspill - many present french Catalans will be around the 30 -30+ age so players like Elima,Bosc, Simon, Fakir, & Mounis etc

4) Catalans of any age who never seem to be in favour like Barthau, Baille & Vaccari etc

Not world beaters by any means but could be as good as good as some of the present SL squads in my opinion

You also didnt mention existing players in the Elite who could play at this level.

Bemba, Kane Bentley, Milhoudi and plenty more

Gigot ( who's still only 20 yo)

Fages

Martins

My only concern would be on the coaching side, the existing set up is not SL standard. They've got to look at the likes of Justin Morgan, David Waite, Mick Potter coaches who've been exposed to french culture but also have top flight coaching experience. If the current coach remains in place the chances of progression decrease.

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You also didnt mention existing players in the Elite who could play at this level.

Bemba, Kane Bentley, Milhoudi and plenty more

Gigot ( who's still only 20 yo)

Fages

Martins

My only concern would be on the coaching side, the existing set up is not SL standard. They've got to look at the likes of Justin Morgan, David Waite, Mick Potter coaches who've been exposed to french culture but also have top flight coaching experience. If the current coach remains in place the chances of progression decrease.

yeah, thought about the LER players afterwards - great minds think alike !

 

Bemba & the rest must have a good chance though I forgot Gigot, Fages etc - also certain current players like Henderson, Millard, Blanche etc would qualify as 'french' on the three year residency rule and would incidentally actually qualify to play for France

 

Regarding the coaching staff, a new coach will come in and Justin Morgan springs to mind with Trent Robinson who would walk into the job if available. TO13 recently appointed Sylvain Houles as assistant coach with Adam Innes as fitness coach, two totally bilingual guys who would be well installed for the future SL era

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For me toulose putting together a competitive squad isn't an issue at all plenty of potential players around, the key is making sure WHEN they do come into super league is that they hav everything in place off the field and I'm positive that will be the case.

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TO13 recently appointed Sylvain Houles as assistant coach with Adam Innes as fitness coach, two totally bilingual guys who would be well installed for the future SL era

 

An era that must centre on developing the quality young players who can match England at Junior level, such that they can match them at Senior level. This must be the ultimate prize??

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An era that must centre on developing the quality young players who can match England at Junior level, such that they can match them at Senior level. This must be the ultimate prize??

 

An era that must centre on developing the quality young players who can match England at Junior level, such that they can match them at Senior level. This must be the ultimate prize??

Toulouse has had an excellent academy system for many years, no reason for things to change now

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Toulouse has had an excellent academy system for many years, no reason for things to change now

I'd suggest there's a big difference when a club gets to professional level.

Instead of turning out players per se the need is to turn out professional players and of course Leeds Saints and Wigan do this the best.

Toulouse and Les Catalans must be aiming to get the best young players in France to their SL academies and keep them in the game in numbers and develop them accordingly. As Cliff says many talents have gone to waste in the past.

I'm sure your excellent system will cope with what will be a higher demand if essentially Touulouse are to be a quality professional side that can stock half a competitive international side?

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I'd suggest there's a big difference when a club gets to professional level.

Instead of turning out players per se the need is to turn out professional players and of course Leeds Saints and Wigan do this the best.

Toulouse and Les Catalans must be aiming to get the best young players in France to their SL academies and keep them in the game in numbers and develop them accordingly. As Cliff says many talents have gone to waste in the past.

I'm sure your excellent system will cope with what will be a higher demand if essentially Touulouse are to be a quality professional side that can stock half a competitive international side?

 

I'd suggest there's a big difference when a club gets to professional level.

Instead of turning out players per se the need is to turn out professional players and of course Leeds Saints and Wigan do this the best.

Toulouse and Les Catalans must be aiming to get the best young players in France to their SL academies and keep them in the game in numbers and develop them accordingly. As Cliff says many talents have gone to waste in the past.

I'm sure your excellent system will cope with what will be a higher demand if essentially Touulouse are to be a quality professional side that can stock half a competitive international side?

Of course the jump from part-time to full-time is immense and the past has seen many promising kids slip through the net but it has to be said standards as well as training methods are improving, the only way is up ! Toulouse will learn a lot from the Catalans set up and the ideal scenario would be for the two clubs to work in tandem, something which shouldn't be too difficult especially nowadays  with such a good working rapport between the two.

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Toulouse will learn a lot from the Catalans set up and the ideal scenario would be for the two clubs to work in tandem, something which shouldn't be too difficult especially nowadays  with such a good working rapport between the two.

Thats a good point. Dragons went in cold in 2006. Including all the French players & coaches here who have experienced SL in Perpignan. Add in the clubs three years in the Championship & a CC semi final in 2005 too. Andrew & Kane Bentley now at Toulouse from September. May be the recruitment has started.

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Thats a good point. Dragons went in cold in 2006. Including all the French players & coaches here who have experienced SL in Perpignan. Add in the clubs three years in the Championship & a CC semi final in 2005 too. Andrew & Kane Bentley now at Toulouse from September. May be the recruitment has started.

Exactly Gordon, maybe the recruitment has started - one thing is for sure and that is that all current players are on display and could be playing for a fulltime pro contract for 2015. As a matter of interest one of the promising juniors from the Academy was looking to play for a Championship side in Yorkshire whilst attending university in the hope that he would be spotted by one of the SL clubs - he has since decided to continue his studies in France and  take his chances for 2015 rather than take up the Championship offer. He obviously the thing to do is to hang around Toulouse and take the opportunity to impress.

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